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As a few people seemed to want troops to take objectives from the enemy, so here you go.

Linked from this discussion: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/212922.page

1750 Pts - Tyranids Roster - Rending Spam

4 Warriors @ 128 Pts
Leaping; Rending Claws (x1); Scything Talons (x1); Synapse Creature

4 Warriors @ 128 Pts
Leaping; Rending Claws (x1); Scything Talons (x1); Synapse Creature

10 Genestealers @ 230 Pts
Acid Maw; Scuttlers; Rending Claws

10 Genestealers @ 230 Pts
Acid Maw; Scuttlers; Rending Claws

10 Genestealers @ 200 Pts
Feeder Tendrils; Scuttlers; Rending Claws

10 Genestealers @ 200 Pts
Feeder Tendrils; Scuttlers; Rending Claws

10 Genestealers @ 200 Pts
Feeder Tendrils; Scuttlers; Rending Claws

5 Ripper Swarm @ 50 Pts

4 Warriors @ 128 Pts
Leaping; Rending Claws (x1); Scything Talons (x1); Synapse Creature

4 Warriors @ 128 Pts
Leaping; Rending Claws (x1); Scything Talons (x1); Synapse Creature

4 Warriors @ 128 Pts
Leaping; Rending Claws (x1); Scything Talons (x1); Synapse Creature

OR you can run Raveners x3 in these last three spots.

I'd rather have more than 8 warriors on the board for synapse though in 5E it doesn't matter as much for stealers.

Total Roster Cost: 1750

No fex's

Why would take Feeder Tendrils ? ? what do they do?

Are they the Preferd Enemy one ?
Why you already hit just fine and Rend. And you cant use it on character's. But in 5th Ed there good I think reroll all missed hits right ?

What about Carapace ? Without carapace Bolters and such will kick the gak out of ya..

And what is Acid Maw?

I do like the Idea and the Usefullness. To a Degree but it Living not so much.

K againist my Marine Horde 70+ regular Marine's, Abaddon, and 2 Obil's.
Three warriors a turn get hit with Lascannon's maybe 2 wounded. then Before you make it to combat 1 squad pumps 28 bolter rounds and a Melta into Stealers wounds with lets say 6-7 then you charge with 2-3 o well you kill 2 maybe 3 marines. Then I kill the unit and back up. And Abaddon to kill Warrior's/Stealers

It's Pretty good list just not liviable I think.

And your going for a 1st turn charge. K well i'll just deploy at the Very edge of the Table.

And if you stack Terrain ok not that big of deal. Your Just Setting the Board in your favor which shouldn't happen and in GT it's all Pre set I think.

Is this Your LVGT army ? or is it your SOB+IG one ? JW

@ghostmaker if you want to understand this list ,I think you could do a quick look at what being changed in 5th ed.

@Stelek that's an all assult list ,any gene or warrior unit who left at depolyzone to cover your own objective, will be a waste of their CC ability, or you just use those swarms to contest ? why not change one group of warrior into shooty and swarm into gaunts, not so much pts invest ,but take one easy objective.

K well I dont have a 5th Ed book so thats a bit of a problem.

But I do know most of the changes.

But I belive he should buy them carapace. They just can't live.

If he plays a Smart person they will butcher that list.
Considering every army (but IG , ST) have AP 5 weapon's

Even if it's about him taking or contesting obj.'s He'll get shot to hell. before he gets there.

And the Idea seems to get over into a First turn charge to take said Obj's.

I Like his Idea to take the obj. and the idea of the army.

But if facing a Drop Army They'll just get around you go for your objectives and then if need be cut off the Stealer's and kill them with there 5+ Arm.

Just saying it has minor flaws. Even in 5TH ED

K read the 5th changes it's good. But If you played a smart person they'de turtle at least 12-18 Inches from the Edge and Kill you.

Looks like a fun list.

But i'd rather have 4+ Carapace can you take them both ?

You get a 4+ cover save.

Why do you need carapace armor?

Riight.

.......I just explained why 4+ is good.

I do like you carzyness with the Stealers bringing them on.

But could you combine carapace ?

This is why..
If he plays a Smart person they will butcher that list.
Considering every army (but IG , ST) have AP 5 weapon's they'ed turtle at least 12-18 Inches from the Edge and Kill you.

But if facing a Drop Army They'll just get around you go for your objectives and then if need be cut off the Stealer's and kill them with there 5+ Arm.

Why 4+ is good but you can take and contest objectives with this Army you have a ok bulid for that.

It's not surviable thats all i'm saying.

Ghostmaker you seem to have missed something that Stelek even specifcally reiterated for you. In 5E almost everything will have a 4+ cover save... which is better than a 4+ armor save. So the points spent on carapace could be spent on more dolls.

At least that was my take on it.

I under stand that.

But he wont always get that Cover save. Thats just what I'm saying. the List will probelly work but thats the only think I didnt like and I was explaining why I dont like it.

For every Postive there's a Negitive.

And remember no plan survives first contact with the enemy.
(Especially in a D6 game)

I get what he's doing i'm just letting him now what to look out for. Flamer's beat cover Pyscannon's beat cover. & the list Just goes on.


Good list just letting him now the weakness.

ghostmaker wrote:

But he wont always get that Cover save. Thats just what I'm saying.

Why not?

ghostmaker wrote:
Flamer's beat cover Pyscannon's beat cover.

Wrong, Psycannon's don't beat cover.

Psycannons ignore invuln saves. Only flamer template weapons ignore cover, and anything else that states no cover saves.

Too many models to shoot, Warriors dont suffer instant death, models within synapse range become fearless, Warriors can now run so they are just as fast as stealers without taking the leaping upgrade.

The idea of this army is simple:. Stelek puts his models on the table, you crap your pants. Stelek moves his 75 models, you begin to pray. Stelek assaults your entire army (that contains about 40 models), you pick your models up, mumble under your breath, and go home.

I like the list. Easy for someone just starting out, yet presise for a vet player. Good job

I also like the list.

The only problem:

all models are dangerous and the enemy will shoot the closest unit. Doesnt matter if its warriors/raveners or genestealers. you wont get/use the 4+ cover save for friendly models.
a few skimmers or fast models... and you get killed!

Stelek puts his 75 models on the table... you shoot the crap out of them!!! Stelek moves his 60 models..you shoot the crap out of them!!! Stelek moves his 40 models..you shoot the crap out of them!! Stelek charges with his warriors killing the whole squad of 5 lesser daemons!!!! and then you shoot the crap out of them!

OR: Stelek runs to all the loot counters and hides in cover! you kill a few models but there is no way to prevent him from winning the game...

shogun wrote:

OR: Stelek runs to all the loot counters and hides in cover! you kill a few models but there is no way to prevent him from winning the game...

Go Stelek!

I'm not too sure, but IIRC, the table you play 40k on is only 4'x6'. So that's a total of 48" with a 12" deployment zone.

Now let's hit that theory machine and wonder how this game will work. Deployment for Stelek, up to 12".. closing the gap to 36".

Deployment for other Player, edge of the board, or 6" out. this drops the gap to a possible 30".

Movement is 6" plus D6, making a possible 12" move a turn, but for your sake, let's say an average of a 8" move.

Objectives are near the middle of the board, so 2 turns max to make it there, where of course, if you wanted to win, you have to meet there too.......... See where I'm going with this.

No one will sit back and try to shoot his army down to the last model. They will loose like that. Also, no one will engage him head on, again, they'll loose like that. And giving someone that is smart plays Stelek, they'll try to have a dog fight 10-12" away from the objective. This might work given the fact that you get one chance to pump as many shots into a unit before they charge you, or you may even lore a unit off the objective. Either way, you cant defend against a horde army that is well thought out.

"No one will sit back and try to shoot his army down to the last model. They will loose like that."

What? if your playing against a full CC genestealer list...you havent got much choice!

When you play the mission 'capture and controle' you can pick an objective close to the (long)edge of the board. You deploy all your shootie units on the objective and blast away. So it is possible to win with shooting.

Of course you can defend against a horde army that is well thought out. you can defend with every army list that is well thought out because every shot takes down genestealers and warriors.

I dont see much wrong with the list either. Though Stelek does have an overinflated opinion of Acid Maw that doesnt match its price tag.

Also you dont need too many feeder tendril stealers. cut down the numberof those broos to six and increase the others to 12.

I would take one brood of winged warriors minimum, especuially as you are not giving any carapace. You never know when you need the mobility.

These are only minor points, the list is quite workable as is.

I think he's checkerboarding this.

You better hope to whoever your god is that you don't see a LR or a Monolith. You have nothing to combat it.

I run 3. You would not have a happy day playing me.

3 what? monoliths? He'd have to phase out the rest of your army which if your using 3 liths's is going to be small and he has the stealers to tear through necrons.

3 land raiders? that would screw him

3 Leman Russ? str4 rending against AV10 rear armor, nuff said.

Overall an interesting army idea, I honestly hadn't thought of using acid maw and tendrils together like that. Seems obvious now, of course, but that's hindsight for you.

Anyway, this list gives me a sliver of hope against my usual opponent, a 5th ed. Ork player. We'll see how it turns out.

I love the gimmick lists Stelek builds. Very powerful but as someone pointed out this one does have the flaw against Land Raiders. Not much the army can do against a player that wants to charge out of one other than take it and weather it. A monolith simply means less necrons to phase out. The list can work though and it'll definitely pound some people into submission as they underestimate the speed of the army.

Edit: Looking it over again, I'd be tempted to pull scuttlers off the stealers. Moving the extra 6" at the start of the game puts them in front of their cover save unit, the rippers. If you decide you don't care and are fine with losing some as they thrash across the table, leave it as-is. Though since that will mean they are always in front of the rippers, there has to be a better way to spend that 50 points.

You're missing the other thing that scuttlers does, which is give you the option of an outflanking reinforcement roll meaning you can bring them on anywhere on a short table edge...

Stelek, putting our differences aside, there are some things about the list I like, and some things I don't like:

The scuttling genestealers are very cool, especially in that number; and it is pretty scarry. If I were you, I would consider putting flesh hooks on them either instead of the tendrils, or in addition to the tendrils; it's sad to waste that initiative, especially since there is so much cover in 5th.

I still don't think warriors are viable, even in 5th. I played around with some leaping warriors last night, and they didn't do well at all - they are just not powerful enough to justify their cost. I didn't give me the armor save, and it ended up being their death - people like to kill warriors, so if they ever get caught in the open, they are gonners. And they loose in combat if you fail to roll 6's. (against MEQs). I think you'd be better served by a flyrant, or some dakkafexes, both of which are still good units.

I think you're right about the speed - it's a quick army, but it's also not very durable - and if you get caught in the open for any reason, you're dead meat. Flanking the stealers helps, but even then....

I'd say the army is kind of a one-trick pony, but it's a cool idea.

This list can Outflank, take & contest objectives, tear through all but the toughest armor with tons of rending hits & would probably be more fun than a standard swarmy or 'Zilla list in play and execution.

I didn't see the part in the original post about it being invincible or uber-nid... so I don't know why such harsh criticism there should be. A gimmick list it is but also one which would literally tear up a lot of the regularly fielded lists in regular play now.

It can certainly be shot up BUT those chances are mitigated by several factors including Outflank & lots of powerfull units getting into CC quickly.

Imagine setting up with the Warriors & rippers only in the DZ and having 5 units of Genestealers primed to come in from the short edges... that's pretty cool & doesn't give much for the opponent to do but maneuver & hope to stay out of the way.

I'm sure this list can be beaten, but it would be fun to play and as I said before it certainly has more than half a chance to win!

How does Outflank work? is it a mission special rule?

Also...would gargoyles provide cover saves to units behind them?

kaiservonhugal wrote:How does Outflank work? is it a mission special rule?

Also...would gargoyles provide cover saves to units behind them?

Outflank... allows the unit to be deployed from reserves to a SHORT table edge (roll to see which side)!

Yes, Gargoyles are Jump Infantry and provide screening to units 'behind them' as normal.