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As Noted here, Which is the correct way to write periods and commas after a quote?

In other words, which sentence is correct:
The Stormraven Gunship states it can carry “a single Dreadnought”.
or
The Stormraven Gunship states it can carry “a single Dreadnought.”

Also, which of the following is correct:
No. “Hellfire Rounds” cannot ever re-roll to wound by virtue of the “Poisoned” rule (though other rules may allow it to).
or
No. “Hellfire Rounds” cannot ever re-roll to wound by virtue of the “Poisoned” rule (though other rules may allow it to.)
or
No. “Hellfire Rounds” cannot ever re-roll to wound by virtue of the “Poisoned” rule (though other rules may allow it to.).

And Finally:
A Witch Hunters “Infernus Pistol”, while following very similar rules to melta weapons, does not have the “Melta” weapon type, so is not affected by Ceramite Plating.
or
A Witch Hunters “Infernus Pistol,” while following very similar rules to melta weapons, does not have the “Melta” weapon type, so is not affected by Ceramite Plating.

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a) #1
b) #1
c) #1

Learn to grammar

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People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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Cheese Elemental wrote:a) #1
b) #1
c) #1

Learn to grammar
You see, that is what I thought as well, but I hath been challanged! As I said in the other thread, might it be a difference between US English and English English (which I know you Auzzies Speak)?

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English English was first.

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges




United States

Gwar! wrote:As Noted here, Which is the correct way to write periods and commas after a quote?

In other words, which sentence is correct:
The Stormraven Gunship states it can carry “a single Dreadnought”.
or
The Stormraven Gunship states it can carry “a single Dreadnought.”

Also, which of the following is correct:
No. “Hellfire Rounds” cannot ever re-roll to wound by virtue of the “Poisoned” rule (though other rules may allow it to).
or
No. “Hellfire Rounds” cannot ever re-roll to wound by virtue of the “Poisoned” rule (though other rules may allow it to.)
or
No. “Hellfire Rounds” cannot ever re-roll to wound by virtue of the “Poisoned” rule (though other rules may allow it to.).

And Finally:
A Witch Hunters “Infernus Pistol”, while following very similar rules to melta weapons, does not have the “Melta” weapon type, so is not affected by Ceramite Plating.
or
A Witch Hunters “Infernus Pistol,” while following very similar rules to melta weapons, does not have the “Melta” weapon type, so is not affected by Ceramite Plating.


Bold is correct according to traditional punctuation (American style), logical punctuation (British style) would vary based upon author intent. Periods and commas are always inside proceeding, adjacent quotation marks; including single quotes.

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See!!!!!! :(
Dern Colonials making English Complicated!

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Ninja edit.

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I am no English professor, but I would have said the exact same as dogma. However, I have seen a trend recently towards the British method. My fiancee is majoring in English education, and different professors tell her different ways.

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So Games Workshop wrote the English Rulebook? D:

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Calgary, AB

I would personally choose the first option in all cases. Especially if the bit being quoted does not actually end with a period. However, I find both easy to understand, and would accept both variants as valid.

However, what I would change is this
No. “Hellfire Rounds” cannot ever re-roll to wound by virtue of the “Poisoned” rule (though other rules may allow it to do so).

(addition in bold)

Which is totally a personal thing. I just feel the need to point it out because it stuck out for me where the differing methods of punctuation did not.

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Tantras wrote: Logically speaking, that makes perfect sense and I understand and agree entirely... but is it RAW?
 
   
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Yeah, I see that now. Into the Draft it goes

Also Orkestra, your Sig has a few Extra Line Breaks that you would do well to get rid of, to make your sig a bit neater

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Minnesota

I was not aware that the British didn't use traditional punctuation. I thought it was just being commonly rejected on this forum because it's dumb.

Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
 
   
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Orkeosaurus wrote:I was not aware that the British didn't use traditional punctuation. I thought it was just being commonly rejected on this forum because it's dumb.
We use plenty of Traditional Punctuation, just the order it goes in is different because we invented the damn thing

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Minnesota

The internet disagrees with you.

In fact, I bet in 1776 everyone did it our way, and you just gave up on proper grammar because you were too busy getting beat by France and Germany in wars oh snaps.

Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
 
   
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Yes, but that example doesn't really apply since none of the quotations, par perhaps 1, are sentences. they are just Single Words or Phrases.

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1) 2
2) Not entirely sure but I beleive it is the second as well.
3) 2 Again, at least in Canada, and we generally follow British English spelling and grammatical laws.

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Swift Swooping Hawk





Calgary, AB

Honestly, if we're going to talk about traditional English, Get ye Reddy for some nigh unrecognizable worddes.

The historical precedent thing only goes so far, because of the incredible illiteracy rates of earlier times. Language is in an exciting time right now, as more people can read and write than in any teacher from the 1700s wet dream. Language, therefore, is going to change based on popular use. Even though I am a fan of linguistics on the side, it's a fact that through sheer repetition, the way we write and communicate is bound to change. Hence why all sorts of new words are cropping up in Mirriam-Webster. Flexibility, more than ever, should become our watchword. (especially since we have to pick our battles, and I'd take proper usage of apostrophes over proper parenthesis punctuation (however alliterative it is) any day.

Also, I fixed my siggy.

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Tantras wrote: Logically speaking, that makes perfect sense and I understand and agree entirely... but is it RAW?
 
   
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Love the new siggy, and yes, I agree Apostrophes need to be emphasized.

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Somewhere in south-central England.

Here is what The Guardian Style Guide has to say on the topic. Bear in mind it was written as guidance for a newspaper's sub-editors.

apostrophes
Indicate a missing letter or letters (can't, we'd) or a possessive (David's book).

Some shops use an apostrophe, wrongly, to indicate a plural ("pea's"), but will generally omit the apostrophe when one is actually required ("new seasons asparagus"), a phenomenon sometimes referred to as the greengrocer's (or grocer's) apostrophe. Try to avoid this.

Contractions can affect the tone of a piece and make it appear informal and even inelegant: "what's more" may work in a lighthearted column but "what is more" may be more appropriate for a leading article.

Words ending in -s use use -s's (Dickens's house): for plurals, use -s'. Plural nouns that do not end in S take an apostrophe and S in the possessive: children's games, old folk's home, people's republic etc.

Phrases such as butcher's knife, collector's item, cow's milk, goat's cheese, pig's blood, hangman's noose, writer's cramp etc are treated as singular.

Use apostrophes in phrases such as two days' time, 12 years' imprisonment and six weeks' holiday, where the time period (two days) modifies a noun (time), but not in nine months pregnant or three weeks old, where the time period is adverbial (modifying an adjective such as pregnant or old) – if in doubt, test with a singular such as one day's time, one month pregnant.

Finally, if anyone tries to tell you that apostrophes don't matter and we'd be better off without them, consider these four phrases, each of which means something different:

my sister's friend's investments
my sisters' friends' investments
my sisters' friend's investments
my sister's friends' investments



quotation marks
Use double quotes at the start and end of a quoted section, with single quotes for quoted words within that section. Place full points and commas inside the quotes for a complete quoted sentence; otherwise the point comes outside – "Anna said: 'Your style guide needs updating,' and I said: 'I agree.' " but: "Anna said updating the guide was 'a difficult and time-consuming task'."

When beginning a quote with a sentence fragment that is followed by a full sentence, punctuate according to the final part of the quote, eg The minister called the allegations "blatant lies. But in a position such as mine, it is only to be expected."

Headlines and standfirsts (sparingly), captions and display quotes all take single quote marks. For parentheses in direct quotes, use square brackets.

brackets
If the sentence is logically and grammatically complete without the information contained within the parentheses (round brackets), the punctuation stays outside the brackets. (A complete sentence that stands alone in parentheses starts with a capital letter and ends with a stop.)

"Square brackets," the grammarian said, "are used in direct quotes when an interpolation [a note from the writer or editor, not uttered by the speaker] is added to provide essential information."

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