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Hi everybody. This is an army list I'm running just curious to see what you all think....

Kor'Sarro Khan
Command Squad, bikes, power weapons x4
Vulkan He'stan
Terminator Assault Squad, 4 thunder hammer/storm shields 3 lightning claws, land raider crusader
Bike Squads I-II, bikes x4, meltaguns x2, attack bike, multi-melta
Land Speeder Squads I-III, multi-melta heavy flamer

I use vulkan's ability and put him in with the assault terminators. Kor'sarro khan goes
with the command squad and those two squads are my close combat hammers. The
land speeders run around killing things. The bikes are there because I have to have
two troop choices. They're good for baiting the badguys, holding objectives, and of
course melting things.

I wouldn't put command squads into combat as they lack invulnerable save. Use the ability to have multiple special weapons and give them plasma for monstrous creature smashing or meltas.

Not enough troops. From my understanding you've got 5 inc the attack bike which is 10 troop models.

whats your build on this army?

it needs troops. [the HQ needs a bike to make bikers that choice, not the retinue]

vulkans not on a bike. you don't get them as troops.

you need to take out those perty bikers and take a couple taccies

It's a fragile list IMO.
But you can't read this.

The raider has no armor saturation, target saturation is not enough.
Bikers are not enough, they are not that tough and there are enough far reaching anti-infantry/hard infantry weapons that have no where else to shoot at.

Command Bikers are fragile without shields.
PW rely on FC too much, it has no flexibility (ie fist equivalent missing) and doesn't do something that would be more welcomed (more special ranged weapons).

Both Khan and Vulkan in the same list is just so many points...you get force multipliers but with the reduced amount of points for stuff that actually takes adv. of them, it doesn't work out as better.

oh! just so you note, firstly, you need to get kor on a bike to make his little box rule applicable.

and you have to choose only one chapter tactics, you can't have both.

Solon
right. vulkan's chapter tactics is stronger so I go with that. At the time I wrote this I was running khan to give furious charge to the command squad but I've since changed my mind on that....



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just to update this is what I've got right now:

vulkan
assault terminators x5 lightning claw x3 thundershield x2
land raider redeemer multi melta
captain bike relic blade combi flamer
command squad flame thrower x4 lightning claw x4 storm shield x2 meltabomb x2 (mixed up so everyone has a different item for wound allocation purposes)
bike squad x2 bikers x4 meltagun x2 combi melta attack bike multi melta
land speeder squads x3 land speeders x2 multi melta heavy flamer

thunderwolves are giving me a run for my money right now and guard are still tough. other than that it's pretty reliably wrecking face. I play in a fairly competitive group but it's not exactly murder.....

I'm running bikes bc tacticals are garbage. not to reopen that can of worms but there's just nfw I'll put them in.

it has low troop count its true.... when I tell people that no one shoots at the 10 bikers when they've got 1600 points of other stuff getting rammed down their throat no one believes me. w/e I'm speaking from experience they're just playing it out in their mind.
AF

Sanctjud wrote:It's a fragile list IMO.
But you can't read this.

The raider has no armor saturation, target saturation is not enough.
Bikers are not enough, they are not that tough and there are enough far reaching anti-infantry/hard infantry weapons that have no where else to shoot at.

Command Bikers are fragile without shields.
PW rely on FC too much, it has no flexibility (ie fist equivalent missing) and doesn't do something that would be more welcomed (more special ranged weapons).

Both Khan and Vulkan in the same list is just so many points...you get force multipliers but with the reduced amount of points for stuff that actually takes adv. of them, it doesn't work out as better.

This.

And as for the new list.
Termie setup is fail. TH&SS is superior in pretty much every aspect (this I have already shown you so no point in doing the math again). Especially when you have vulkan in your list.

Command Squad costs as much as a LR and termie squad and is not nearly as threatening.

Nice bike squads but you need moree troops. 12 Scoring wounds in a 2k list will not be enough when you quit playing against subpar players.

You have no long range fire power at all, mechdar et al. will most likely laugh at you.