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**HoverBoy**

So the skaven stormbanner says this "All non-magical missile attacks that don't use BS to hit their target need to roll a 4+ on a d6 before they can fire", and my qustions is are warmachines that dont use BS but cause magical attacks (warpfire thrower, dwarven stuff with engeneering runes and the like) immune to it, or is the immuntity only applicable to actual magic missiles (as in from magic missile spells).

**Red_Zeke**

As resolved in the other thread, this question is answered in the Skaven FAQ.

Page 111 – Storm Banner
Add “One use only”. Change the start of the third sentence to
“All shooting attacks that don’t use BS [...]”.

**HoverBoy**

Soo, does that mean it works on magic missiles too cuz they sure don't use BS.

**Jin**

Magic Missiles are not shooting attacks. They distribute like shooting, but are themselves not a Shooting Attack.

**HoverBoy**

Jin wrote:Magic Missiles are not shooting attacks. They distribute like shooting, but are themselves not a Shooting Attack.

You are correct but not for the reasons you think. By reading the magic missile rules i noticed that the wizzard resolves as if shooting a ranged weapon, and as i've said before "as if" =/= "is", so magic missiles arent really shooting attacks and therefore aren't stoppable via stormbanner.

**DarkAngelHopeful**

So, then can you use the 4+ look out sir with magic missiles?

Also, I imagine you can use LoS with purple sun and pit of shades since they are templates and it says you can use it against templates.

**HoverBoy**

Umm, me 'ead 'urts...

**ShivanAngel**

No you dont get a 4+ LoS against magic missiles

No the storm banner doesnt stop them

Yes you get a LoS against spells that use a template.

**HoverBoy**

Come to think of it LoS dosent work mainly because it dosent do anything for regular (non template) shooting too.

**Lehnsherr**

One rule of thumb that you can *kind of* follow is that if it normally fires in the shooting phase, then it can be stopped by the banner.

Obviously there are many exceptions to this, but in terms of the Dwarf cannons and the Skaven stuff, they normally fire in the shooting phase. They are shooting attacks that do not use BS. The storm banner can then affect them.

Magic Missile spells are in the magic phase. They are not shooting attacks that the banner can stop.

**DarkAngelHopeful**

HoverBoy wrote:Come to think of it LoS dosent work mainly because it dosent do anything for regular (non template) shooting too.

Hoverboy, you are right on the normal 2+ LoS if the character is in the unit, but the 4+ LoS when the character is 3" or closer to the unit, but not inside says any shooting attack. That's why I was wondering about magic missiles.

**HoverBoy**

I know i was just too lazy to type out two rules

**DarkAngelHopeful**

lol gotcha