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The chronemetron says that I can reroll any of the unit's D6 rolls.. well that would include Deepstriking, while I wouldn't be able to reroll the scatter dice as it's not a D6 can I reroll one of the two die for distance.

To clarify I am using Veil of Darkness so I don't need to be told that crypteks in a squad can't deepstrike.

Secondly, if I was to use it for a leadership role can I reroll one of the die.. so say I roll a 6/4 I can use it to just reroll the 6..

C-Hydra

Anytime you roll multiple dice (i.e. scatter or Ld) you either re-roll all or none. So you would not be able to re-roll 1 of 2.

But I could reroll both?

No as it only allows the re-roll of a single d6. DS (and blast weapon) scatters are 2d6, same as Ld, so you would have to be able to re-roll both.

This is something I have been curious about as well. If you have 2 chronometrons in a unit can you re-roll...

a deep strike scatter?
a leadership test?

No. The ability only works on a d6 roll. Both of those are 2d6.
You can't combine the abilities.

rigeld2 wrote:You can't combine the abilities.

why?

The ability says to reroll a d6. Nothing about combining them. You have no permission to keep adding Chroms. until you can reroll what you're trying for.

This makes decent sense. If the ability said "give a unit with up to 10 models furious charge," I wouldn't expect you to be able to combine two of them to give a 20 man squad FC.

The only place I can currently see permission possibly coming from is p2 BRB (Re-rolls), and that is only because of an off hand memory of some faq language somewhere saying something about in order to re-roll 2d6 you must be able to re-roll both/all dice. I'll have to poke around and see what I'm mis-remembering.

Point of order:

How were you planning to have 2 eternity crypteks deep-strike at all to begin with?

You can do it with Obyron.

The other problem with re-rolling DS scatter, is the unit getting the re-roll technically is not on board when the re-roll would happen.

Happyjew wrote:Anytime you roll multiple dice (i.e. scatter or Ld) you either re-roll all or none. So you would not be able to re-roll 1 of 2.

Not true. You didn't read all of it.

"If you re-roll a 2d6 or 3d6 roll, you must re-roll all of the dice and not just some of them, Unless the rule granting you the re-roll explicitly specifies otherwise."

The rule is "if the bearer is in a unit, this ability can be used to instead re-roll one of the unit's D6 rolls each phase."

So yes you can use it to re-roll that one D6 for the scatter dice roll. Two if you have two Cryteks.

No, you can't. The scatter roll is a 2d6 roll.
The Chromo only allows a d6 roll to be rerolled.

2d6 != d6.

The rule allows one of those d6 to be re-rolled. That rule allows it.
It is one of the units d6 rolls. just one though.

It doesn't say any one d6 roll it says one of the units d6 rolls.

Scatter dice isn't 2 1d6 rolls, it's a 2d6 roll.
The rules state you must re-roll both or none.
The Chromo allows you to re-roll a d6 roll - note that it does not allow a 2d6 roll.

You're implying that by saying "d6" it's any roll that uses a d6. That makes no sense in the context of the rules as every roll is a d6 roll using that interpretation. Also, general usage in the rules of "d6" to mean "one d6" means you're wrong.

No because it is any and this does allow it because how the rule is worded.

The rule allows one d6 to be re-rolled. So this is the rule that allows this to happen.

They don't have to any 2d6 or any 3d6. you are rolling d6s and the ability allows you to re-roll one of those d6 rolls of your choosing.

So you are wrong bro. This rule is solid.

bladedragon03 wrote:No because it is any and this does allow it because how the rule is worded.

The rule allows one d6 to be re-rolled. So this is the rule that allows this to happen.

They don't have to any 2d6 or any 3d6. you are rolling d6s and the ability allows you to re-roll one of those d6 rolls of your choosing.

So you are wrong bro. This rule is solid.

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page 30 under Blast wrote:Roll the scatter dice and 2D6
to see where the shot lands.

You cannot use a Chrono to re-toll a scatter shot.
Heck, Blast weapons even specify what happens with re-rolls!

same page wrote:Blast weapons and re-rolls
If a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls to hit and
chooses to do so after firing a blast weapon, the player
must re-roll both the scatter dice and the 2D6.

See how it says 2d6? Not 2 d6?

Since you can only re-roll one, and the rules require you to be able to re-roll both, you can't re-roll either.
And before you mention Deep Strike being different:

page 95 wrote:If a scatter
occurs, roll 2D6 to see how many inches the model
moves away from the intended position.

Ok dude the codex trumps the BRB so that alone allows this to happen. Also I was never talking about the scatter die just the 2d6 you also roll with it. They are 2 six sided dice after all. not a whole different kind of die.

If you don't believe me then Call gw and ask them.

bladedragon03 wrote:Ok dude the codex trumps the BRB so that alone allows this to happen.

If you don't believe me then Call gw and ask them.

Again - wrong.
Specific trumps General. There's nothing specific here - the Codex is allowing you to re-roll a d6. It does not allow you to re-roll a d6 out of a 2d6 roll.

A very similar ruling was made on the wolf standard which allows you to reroll all rolls of '1' on a D6.

Q. Does a Wolf Standard allow Leadership test results
to be re-rolled? (p62)
A. No, as it is impossible to roll a ‘1’ on 2D6 – when
making a 2D6 result you must count both dice as a
single roll, not address them individually.


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bladedragon03 wrote:If you don't believe me then Call gw and ask them.

Also, this is not a productive response as GW Customer Service is not a reliable source of rules answers.

Look guys the GW guy on the phone told me all of that. So I don't know what else to tell you other then you guys are looking into this way to hard.

Just face the fact that it allow one of the 6s rolls. It doesn't say any one of your one d6 rolls.

bladedragon03 wrote:Look guys the GW guy on the phone told me all of that. So I don't know what else to tell you other then you guys are looking into this way to hard.

Just face the fact that it allow one of the 6s rolls. It doesn't say any one of your one d6 rolls.

I don't care what the Prince of Wales told you on the phone - the tenets of this forum say that's not admissible.

And I will not face the fact that what you're telling me is against the rules.
edit: That line should be "And I will face the fact that what you're telling me is against the rules and will therefore not play that way nor allow others to.

bladedragon03 wrote:Look guys the GW guy on the phone told me all of that. So I don't know what else to tell you other then you guys are looking into this way to hard.

Just face the fact that it allow one of the 6s rolls. It doesn't say any one of your one d6 rolls.

I suggest you read the rules for this sub-forum: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/253892.page

2. The only official sources of information are the current rulebooks and the Games Workshop FAQs. Emails from Askyourquestion@games-workshop.com are technically official, but they are easily spoofed and should not be relied on.

Either way the rule allows one of those d6 to be rerolled because of how it's worded. Yes you are rolling 2d6 but the rule allows you to reroll one of the d6's that are rolled.

Even the rule on page 2 says it can. This is because the rule is granting it to happen.

And all re-rolls for multiple dice be it 2d6, 3d6 or even 15d6, you are required to re-roll all the dice, not some of them.

Unless the rule that is allowing the re-roll allows it which Chro. does.

bladedragon03 wrote:Unless the rule that is allowing the re-roll allows it which Chro. does.

Quote where it is more specific than page 2.

Page 2 says [paraphrased] if you want to re-roll a multi-die roll, you have to re-roll all of them.
Chrono does not have something that allows you to re-roll only one die out of a set.

The unit may re-roll one of the d6 rolls. The unit is rolling 2d6 for the scatter. One of those D6 can be re-rolled. Codex Trumps the BRB.

Do they really have to put in writing that this can be used on XD6 as well?

You can't assault out of deep strike but a certain ork unit can because the codex trumps the BRB.

And now I'm done with this page.

Again, WRONG!
SPECIFIC trumps GENERAL.
You have permission to re-roll 1 1d6. not one-half of a 2d6. Even if your statement was true, that you could re-roll one of the two dice, The units must be on the table and in-play. Until you have the whole unit in play (which is after you roll for DS scatter), you cannot use the ability.