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Here a rumour by stickmonkey over at Warseer:

So my snitches have passed along a few bits.

Up next for 40k sounds like may timeframe for a chaos codex. Rumored to expand upon 4 major legions.

New plastics

Chaos dread.

New plastic raptors

New plastic plague bearers

New character sculpts, not sure if abaddon is included...


I think most if not all of this has been mentioned before.

On top of this, I'm hearing there will be a few blister releases for other armies between now and summer. Even with WFB likely to take the spotlight in April, I'm being told to expect 2-3 blisters for 40k.

Likely candidates include missing characters for Nids, Necrons, DE. All of which have sculpts ready.

Cheers.

stickmonkey wrote:

Could you name the four legions the dex you heard about is going to expand upon

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Emporers children
Death guard
World eaters
Thousand sons

But that's not all that's in the book from what I hear. And the conflict in what I've heard is that they expanded upon the 4 chaos gods, or they expanded upon the 4 legions devoted to those specific gods, so I'm not certain which is true right now, if either.

I have heard from many sources traitor guard and others are in the book, but nothing close enough for me to have a lot of faith yet there.
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No words on another dex, but as Abaddon is in the dex, I expect all 9 legions to be covered somehow.
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I want to clarify, I don't know this release slot is May. Seems like a lot of people grabbing onto that. Only that its likely the next release "slot" that could be a 40k window. But the rumors I'm getting are that this chaos release is next up. Next up could be October for all I know. But I suspect sooner.
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I'm also confirming a 6e winging it's way our direction.

Past few major editions have followed the model of hb rulebook in June/July and box set in September. If I recall fantasy and 40k had no accompanying models to the hb release. But did have a ton of gaming accessories.

And please don't spam this thread with the usual "hate current CSM Codex" and wishlist posts like in all the previous Chaos rumour threads. Thanks.

Well.. assuming 40K 6th Edition will hit the summer, and assuming that Dark Angels vs. Chaos is the start-box, either Chaos or Dark Angels would need to be in the "first-half-of-2012" (with the other likely in the second half). As said, all else has already been rumoured. So it's largely a coin-flip.

So if next is Chaos, does that mean the DA would be after the release of 6th ed? That seems odd as you'd expect the vanilla SM dex then.

I want to believe the chaos book is coming out soon, but this rumor brings nothing new to the table (or confirms everything, depending on how much you believe it).

If CSM do indeed get just plastic dreads, raptors, and plague bearers as their new plastic kits, then this release is going to be horribly underwhelming.

Ozymandias wrote:So if next is Chaos, does that mean the DA would be after the release of 6th ed? That seems odd as you'd expect the vanilla SM dex then.

I doubt we see Vanilla AND Dark Angels.

Option 1: Dark Angels get a dedicated book but no Vanilla Dex.

Option 2: Dark Angels mini's are released for the new Vanilla Dex (which would also cover DA then).

Option 3 is they release a new generic sm and do the da as a wd supliment.

Zweischneid wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:So if next is Chaos, does that mean the DA would be after the release of 6th ed? That seems odd as you'd expect the vanilla SM dex then.

I doubt we see Vanilla AND Dark Angels.

Option 1: Dark Angels get a dedicated book but no Vanilla Dex.

Option 2: Dark Angels mini's are released for the new Vanilla Dex (which would also cover DA then).

I like Option 2, but they would make less money if we could add genuine flavour to our SM chapters over and above swapping the HQ for one army wide rule because then they would only sell C:SM instead of C:SM and Codex DA.

New Dreadnought and plastic raptors isn't doing it for me. That just doesn't seem like a big enough release, or enough to get people to pick them up. You don't hear people saying "I'd pick up CSM if they had plastic raptors".

With all the effort given to make the "Space Marine" Chaos Marines look fantastic, I'm starting to think the plastics look like crap. If they incorporated some older mark power armor pieces, older bolters, maybe a prosthetic or two, some more bare heads (besides that ugly one with the respirator), and maybe made shoulder trim not so ugly, they could be a lot better.

The berserkers are showing their age as well, and really, a plastic Noise Marine kit wouldn't be too bad.

Raptors are about the most unique thing the current line has, and I hope they keep the same style with the plastics (hopefully with more of a stump for them to be resting on).

I highly doubt they'd take an army that has had their own book for 15+ years and do away with it. Especially when said army is a founding chapter and has such a huge following.

Is that all the plastic releases they're having in the first wave or just the plastic recasts they're doing? If the former they'll need to have a lot of finecast releases to make the first wave interesting, or are they hoping the novelty of a new chaos codex will carry them through?

Then again, they may be waiting for 6th edition to release the big stuff.

I'm assuming the "new plastics" doesn't necessarily mean just the mentioned raptors and dread, and means new plastic chaos marines and maybe some other kits as well that just aren't confirmed/sighted yet.

RAMPANT WISHLISTING/WILD SPECULATION: I think the Space Wolf/Blood Angel infantry kits are a good indicator of what might be coming, perhaps, with set that includes legion-specific parts, perhaps only 5 or so complete models for the box but extra pieces that can be used to upgrade a (hopefully recut) "vanilla" Chaos Marines box. I'd honestly be very, very happy with that, particularly with the possibility of a brand new Khorne plastic set on top of that, seperated out (not a Berzerker player myself but if they are left out of the upgrade kit then it leaves more Nurgle, Tzeentch and Slaanesh parts to go round).

A brand new Chaos terminator box would also be just grand, but they could just about get away with not touching them at all and suggesting that bits from the upgrade box be used to make them legion-specific. Fine by me.

See, this is what has bugged me so much about Chaos Marines for so long. Way, way, way back in the mists of time they brought out nice (at the time) plastic Chaos marines and then... nothing. The sprue was redone in the 2000s I think to pack more stuff into the new longer rectangle sprues with a command sprue included for special weapons, banners etc, but again, the rest of the range remained almost untouched apart from the plastic Chaos Terminators which really weren't enormously different to the metals that had been available since the mid 90s. And as a slightly old-timer I can tell you now that I was there when the metal Chaos Dreadnought was dropped on us and it looked just as bad then as it does now.

Also, has nobody mentioned the Thousand Son heads included on two of the new Space Wolf kits? A bit of a return to the "old style" helmets of the original egyptian-styled metal mini from the late 80s. I like to think they're there as a slightly sneaky little hint at what to expect from the chaos release whenever it arrives. All I care about is plastic Thousand Sons. If I get that, I'll be very, very, very, very happy. And it looks like I will. Sorry to be so optimistic.

Plastic dread and raptors are basic in my CSM plan, so I hope this is true. And it's better if it comes in May (or around).

I am hoping that if the book really drops in May that GW decided with the imminent release of 6th that the codex is a full color hardback. I would hate to have the last softback through all of 6th.

Dread and Raptors were already confirmed by Hastings.

Plaguebearers were, IIRC, ghost21's rumour and make no sense alongside Codex: CSM unless GW are squatting Codex: Chaos Daemons and honestly not even then.

Where are the big dual vehicle kits and dual Elite infantry kits?

Not buying this.

Where's the obligatory big kit that goes with codex releases these days?

All glory for chaos!

Excellent potential news, I would love some plague bearers that aren't metal.

I won't be able to state otherwise when people bandwagon the hell out of the new book, chaos is always recruiting after all.

BDJV wrote:I am hoping that if the book really drops in May that GW decided with the imminent release of 6th that the codex is a full color hardback. I would hate to have the last softback through all of 6th.

+1 to this, I love the hardcover books.

I don't think we are getting all the news here, I'm sure there will be some big kits and dual purpose kits. Wouldn't it be interesting if the dual purpose kits turned out to be Legion specific?

Are the 6th ed codices going to be in hardback?

So Chaos Legions is completely separate from renegades, so does that mean there is going to be a Renegade codex aswell? Or something along those lines.

Well taking what we know from good sources. The chances that Chaos is getting a hard cover 6th-style codex are pretty dang good (Harry), we know the boxed starter is specifically Dark Angels and Chaos (hastings) and we have it on pretty good authority that Dark Angels are being developed and the second furthest along after Chaos (Darnok).

Now, edition releases are usually a Summer/Q3 release so we know that it will be coming some time between June and August with the starter box coming September/November or somewhere around there.

So, if this is true and Chaos is a May release then that means it is directly in front of the 6th Edition release. Now since 2nd Edition the first release of any edition has been a marine codex (usually vanilla, but 2nd Edition was Space Wolves) so releasing Dark Angels as the first 6th codex fits their previous MO to a tee.

This gives them a double whammy of giving Chaos a second wind (codex released, slows down, bumped by people buying the starter and picking up Chaos) as well as being great for promoting the new codex (Dark Angels) who will see a player base expansion from the starter thus hyping up more players for the coming release. As to why a WD-dex or vanilla inclusion is likely out? It all comes down to model kits. We know from hastings that the marines in the box will be Dark Angels and that it will be obvious from the iconography.

So if it was a vanilla rollout then they would have made the marines more generic so that people picking up the starter could then expand in to any vanilla army. Even if they integrated the DA in to the vanilla codex they would miss out on people not being able to buy non-DA special characters. That, and why go to the trouble of sculpting Dark Angels units when they weren't going to get their own model release. Better to just put generic marines in the box, paint them green on the front and use it to promote the vanilla codex as a whole rather than just a few army options. It would be like making the last boxed set Crimson Fists, popping a bunch of Crimson Fists iconography on them and then being surprised when you were selling a bunch of Pedro Kantor but little of anything else.

The reason a WD release is low is because that would completely waste their ability to make even more money off of their newly minted DA players by not having a dedicated model release. GW knows they can make a lot more money if they sell the boxed starter and have releases planned out for them. With Chaos being just before they will likely have a few 2nd Wave releases set up to capitalize on this as well. If Dark Angels didn't have a full model roll out then they would miss out on that sales bump.

So, sorry to say, but a WD or vanilla-integration are not very likely considering what we already know of the situation. The very, very good information from hastings does this all on its own. Boxed marines will be very recognizable as Dark Angels, they wouldn't do that if they were just rolling them in to vanilla and they wouldn't go to that kind of trouble if it was just going to be a WD-dex. Money is the reason they will likely get a first-slot release in 6th.

Ozymandias wrote:So if next is Chaos, does that mean the DA would be after the release of 6th ed? That seems odd as you'd expect the vanilla SM dex then.

Goes along with the, "Expect to be sick of Space Marines in 2012"... CSM, DA, and Vanilla.

Hey... it wouln't be bad to have a 'Year of the Xenos" with Eldar, Tau and Orks (maybe 'Nids). After a year of space marines.

No talk of Cultists/Traitor guard makes me a saaaaad panda.

Aye, I wasn't really expecting any if they are in the 6th box as rumoured. Ork players are still waiting for DeffKoptas to have a proper kit if you think about t.

So the box being the only source for these apparent cultists for a long or short while really wouldn't surprise me.


edit - oh and I'd agree with BrookM, where is the large kit type thing that seems to have come out with nearly every army release in the past two years. Something seems to be missing from these rumours, and I'm really shocked at the thought that GW would fail to do plastic Noise Marines or Thousand Sons, again with a new release. I shouldn't be, but I really thought they would have figured out folks would be after them by now.

Harriticus wrote:No talk of Cultists/Traitor guard makes me a saaaaad panda.

Cultists are rumored to be in the starter.

brettz123 wrote:

Harriticus wrote:No talk of Cultists/Traitor guard makes me a saaaaad panda.

Cultists are rumored to be in the starter.

Well, plus they tend to be more of a fit for "Renegades" than "Legion".

Ronin_eX wrote:Well taking what we know from good sources. The chances that Chaos is getting a hard cover 6th-style codex are pretty dang good (Harry), we know the boxed starter is specifically Dark Angels and Chaos (hastings) and we have it on pretty good authority that Dark Angels are being developed and the second furthest along after Chaos (Darnok).

Now, edition releases are usually a Summer/Q3 release so we know that it will be coming some time between June and August with the starter box coming September/November or somewhere around there.

So, if this is true and Chaos is a May release then that means it is directly in front of the 6th Edition release. Now since 2nd Edition the first release of any edition has been a marine codex (usually vanilla, but 2nd Edition was Space Wolves) so releasing Dark Angels as the first 6th codex fits their previous MO to a tee.

This gives them a double whammy of giving Chaos a second wind (codex released, slows down, bumped by people buying the starter and picking up Chaos) as well as being great for promoting the new codex (Dark Angels) who will see a player base expansion from the starter thus hyping up more players for the coming release. As to why a WD-dex or vanilla inclusion is likely out? It all comes down to model kits. We know from hastings that the marines in the box will be Dark Angels and that it will be obvious from the iconography.

So if it was a vanilla rollout then they would have made the marines more generic so that people picking up the starter could then expand in to any vanilla army. Even if they integrated the DA in to the vanilla codex they would miss out on people not being able to buy non-DA special characters. That, and why go to the trouble of sculpting Dark Angels units when they weren't going to get their own model release. Better to just put generic marines in the box, paint them green on the front and use it to promote the vanilla codex as a whole rather than just a few army options. It would be like making the last boxed set Crimson Fists, popping a bunch of Crimson Fists iconography on them and then being surprised when you were selling a bunch of Pedro Kantor but little of anything else.

The reason a WD release is low is because that would completely waste their ability to make even more money off of their newly minted DA players by not having a dedicated model release. GW knows they can make a lot more money if they sell the boxed starter and have releases planned out for them. With Chaos being just before they will likely have a few 2nd Wave releases set up to capitalize on this as well. If Dark Angels didn't have a full model roll out then they would miss out on that sales bump.

So, sorry to say, but a WD or vanilla-integration are not very likely considering what we already know of the situation. The very, very good information from hastings does this all on its own. Boxed marines will be very recognizable as Dark Angels, they wouldn't do that if they were just rolling them in to vanilla and they wouldn't go to that kind of trouble if it was just going to be a WD-dex. Money is the reason they will likely get a first-slot release in 6th.

Most of your post makes total sense. The only part I have a gripe with is the line 'Hastings says that the (starter kit) marines will be obvious from the iconography. Does that just mean shoulder pads like the AOBR marines where? Does that mean full on robes and little swords with wings on everybody?

Those questions would I think would make or break the starter set for resale value. How many times do you see on Ebay or the swap-shop AOBR marines and people just pass them up? A lot I would reckon, I have about 20 of the blighters and I can't give them away to people. I don't know what the starter set will include but I am assuming 2 Tac, Dreadnought, Termies, commander, maybe something else cool for the DA and pretty much the same for the otherside.

Now the Ork's on the other hand. Those usually sell rather well because you need a heap of them. Even though after a while you will want some different ones just for sanity's sake. =o]

Ever sense 3rd the first dex out has been Space Marines. Why not bring in line your flagship army first. Makes total sense to me. I would love to see the DA rolled into a 'Actual Space Marine Codex' not just one that was Codex: Ultramarines then changed at the last minute....like the last one. The DA's could still have all their cool toys like Ravenwing, Deathwing, etc etc etc. Don't get me wrong I would love to see a full on DA book( and even if it's hardback I still might pick it up as I have a 'thing' for the Dark Angels =o]) but I can see them going either way on this one personally.

Great post and thanks for the info.

Edit; PS remember one thing about Darnok, he's not in the know like harry, hastings and stickmonkey, he gets PM's from people then reposts them. I am not saying that he doesn't vet his source's but even the great pie god had been wrong from time to time. Rumourmongering on Warseer or Dakka or any 40k site has to be one of the most thankless jobs out there, so I do respect him for that.

Kanluwen wrote:

brettz123 wrote:

Harriticus wrote:No talk of Cultists/Traitor guard makes me a saaaaad panda.

Cultists are rumored to be in the starter.

Well, plus they tend to be more of a fit for "Renegades" than "Legion".

That is a good point.

brettz123 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

brettz123 wrote:

Harriticus wrote:No talk of Cultists/Traitor guard makes me a saaaaad panda.

Cultists are rumored to be in the starter.

Well, plus they tend to be more of a fit for "Renegades" than "Legion".

That is a good point.

Unless, of course, you're planning on playing The Legion!

Alpharius wrote:

brettz123 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

brettz123 wrote:

Harriticus wrote:No talk of Cultists/Traitor guard makes me a saaaaad panda.

Cultists are rumored to be in the starter.

Well, plus they tend to be more of a fit for "Renegades" than "Legion".

That is a good point.

Unless, of course, you're planning on playing The Legion!

We'll see Alpharius

Something about may just feels odd, but thinking about it makes sense. Rumour is the starter set is going to have plastic cultists. If the Chaos book came out AFTER 6th ed that would mean they would be putting in models that have no rules. But that would also mean not the 1st 6th ed hard cover persumeingly if it comes out before 6th.

May would be Chaos, July would be 6th ed, and then September would be DA/SM/Something or other.

My only issue is that would mean 3 40k realses in a row. Would be pretty fantasy light in that regards, a big issue since rumour is the 2nd half of that really is going to be heavy on the LotR releases.

My speculation on the topic anyway.