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when ever i play i always manage to play 2v2 and its almost ALWAYS GUARD!!!! I HATE THEM !!!!! so ive been going daemon since they just wipe out my blood angels in seconds

i dont know why people say daemons suck. ive had 3 blood letters kill 1 terminator squad with thunder hammers and storm shields in 1 turn (10 man squad)

also any ideas on what i should add take out upgrade or just simple change? please give feed back

ARMY LIST

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skarbrand (300) the reason being is that i see everyone get 300 point blood thirster why not just take him insted?

great unclean one (190 with flies, instrument, and decay.) why aura of decay because i laugh when nob bikers die from it

TROOPS

X 2 blood letters (10 man squads) (330 with instrument) these guys are the main killers of infantry in this army sure everything else is killy but if these guys survive shooting (because they cant survive shooting) then they will rip up anything nobs boys sm anything it will kill it

X 2 pleagebearers (10 man squads) (360 with icon and instrument) these guys can survive any shooting they throw at you witch most of the time is just 1 turn of shooting witch these guys are to bring in the powerfull or hold objectives they cant hurt anything in melee other then nids and tau

HEAVY SUPPORT

nurgle daemon prince (200 with mark of nurgle armor instrument cloud of flys aura of decay boon of mutation) this is your tank to survive anything that they throw at you and actualy able to kill things but probably the best thing it can do is turn there leader or anything that CAN hurt you into your own guys with the boon of mutation (just love that thing)

khorne daemon prince (210 with khorn mark wings armor intrument and might) whats that? 1 daemon prince just ate all 3 of your plasma tanks? awww so sorry here ill make that up to you by sending him to kill your chimera spam

ELITES

blood cushers (8 of them 325 points with instrument) if nurgle doesnt survive then this will also will kill anything that gets into combat with it 32 strengh 6 power weapons at i 6 on the charge yes please

flamers (8 of them 280) wut? tzeech in this list Y U LIE TO ME! well because this isnt a shooty heavy list and i need something to attack on turn one other then pluge just sitting there glaring at the enemy evily while their farts idly kill them

1985 points and 15 left over (what should i put that in?) and thats my list now tactics

1st wave

anything nurgle and depending on what im fighting either flamers or crushers because khorne while incredibly powerfull in melee will get shot the gak out of them and almost all of them die in turn 1 if im unlucky to get khorne 1st then put them behind cover or behind your alleys as they move up sure it will take ages for you to get there but better alive then dead (remember 2v2)

for nurgle just put them directly next to the enemy (gambling in games ftw) you will most likely survive (i do anyway) and your farts ill kill some of them then when your killy units arrive they pop up right next to the farts

flamers are 1st wave if you need to get shooting in 1st turn also remember flamers can kill tanks with their template weapon if you need to survive longer then go with crushers because if they fire EVERYTHING at it (has happen in games) most of them will still be alive and they can charge next turn

anything you want to add please comment to this because im relatively new at this and i would like some feed back

(note everything i use for this is proxy because im currently broke and cant buy another army so i just use ba to proxy instead)

For Bloodcrushers, the icon and fury upgrades are worth it, since they give wound allocation options.

For Flamers, multiple squads would be better, because they end up getting in each others' way with the templates.

Skarbrand doesn't fly, while the Bloodthirster does, which is a biggie. In general, he helps the opponent more than he helps you, unless you spam Slaanesh units.

This list is going to have a lot of trouble with transport-heavy lists, because you're going to be assaulting them open most of the time, then getting shot out of cover by the squads inside. Chariots of Tzeentch will help you if you don't want Pink Horrors, but you need the Bolt of Tzeentch to do its thing.

question what should i get rid for these units and also why does everyone use bolt of tzeech its horrible agents armored 14 transports whenever i use it, it always never hurts it so thats why i use melee insted (very bad luck with shooting)

also what to spend for 15 points

and thx for the advise for flamers and the bc not enough points for that and theres always at least 20 wounds i have to make on the blood crushers most of them involn saves from plasma cannon shots and i usualy loose what ever guys have the items because they aim for that

You do not shoot AV 14 with Bolt, you do what you said and assault it or suck it up and take the hit from its cargo before counter charging. Screamers are another option to deal with it effectively.

I second most of Emps points, but if this is for teams you have some leeway to let your partner deal with the AV 14 and transports by bringing some meltas along with you.

Some quick hits - Instrument is terrible on almost all units except possibly PB and then it is only a point filler.

Boon and Aura are also pretty mediocre upgrades

Skar needs a list built around him, he can be good and helps you take down vehicles, but you do not have the tools to use him effectively. Make him a standard Thirster.

PB units of 10 are a waste, make them 5 or 7 (7 for flavor 5 for efficiency).

Build your princes as... (wings are optional in both cases)

Nurgle, Noxious Touch, Wings, Hide, Cloud of Flies
Khorne, Unholy Might, Wings, Hide, Blessing

As for waves, I use different waves in different matchups depending on my opponent, the terrain and the mission. I have some rules I use to set them up, but do not get locked into your primary and secondary, experiment to see what works.

ok so no skar band saddly because i always succseed on rerols and fail the first hits 280 for blood thurster with blessing might and istrument (i like instrument because whenever i dont have it i seem to fail combat with that unit so i stick with it as a good luck charm of sorts)

nurgle prince 230 ( just gave him everything but wings and kept boon of mutation to piss of guardsmen)

khorn prince 220 just added blessing everything else is same

well yes i would mix them up for a terainless feature but still thats what i would use for a modret terrain filled thing

what should i use the rest of the points on in recomendation other then the screamers (thinking about it)


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should i add nurgle drones? they seem to be good for what im looking for

Instrument only lets you win tied combats, it does not let you win them or even them if you lose. With a thirster if you should never tie, he is that brutal in CC.

I still don't think Boon is worth it (you prolly kept aura for guardsmen)

Blight Drones are excellent but forgeworld rules so you need opponent consent.

Agreed, Blight Drones are awesome, and daemon FA is pretty weak, so they fit doubly well. If you have them, and your opponent is cool with them, play them.

And as Calypso said, the Bolt is mainly for use against AV 10-12 transports (which are 95% of transports out there). Being AP1 makes it better than a lascannon for most purposes. The only AV14/14/14 transport is a land raider, and you'll just have to suck it up and assault it with an MC to open that up. Everything else that's AV14 is a dedicated tank, so you're free to assault it with no repercussions.

thx for replay people ill make my new list for this tomarow and see how that works because right now tired

re do on list

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blood thirster (280 with instument might and blessing) death strike seems ussless for this

GrEaT UnClEaN One (190 with flys instrument and decay) same as last time instrument for luck

TROOPS

x2 blood letters ( 10 ) (330 with instrument) stabby stabby

x2 pleagebearers (10) (360 with icon and instrument) keeps it to 10 because this IS a 2v2 and they will be focused on

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nurgle daemon prince (230 with nurgle hide instrument might flys touch decay and boon) insert meme here

khorne daemon prince (210 khorne wings hide instument might) blood for the blood god

ELITES

blood crushers (8 350 with instruments and icon) added icon for the points thing

FAST ATTACK

x3 drones of nurgle (375) yay blast templates

any comments for this list?

You need to remove the Blight Drone image and I would also remove it from the internet if you posted it there.

calypso2ts wrote:You need to remove the Blight Drone image and I would also remove it from the internet if you posted it there.

its an attachment how do i get rid of it?

and is the list good?

Please do not post scans of copyrighted material. Thanks ~Manchu

thank you for telling me this now i know





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daemon + eldar vs blood angels and space marines

eldar 1000

ba 2000

sm 1000


daemons wiped off turn 4

ba 30% survived

sm wiped off turn 3

eldar 20% survived

kill points

my bloothurster killed nothing (needed 3 ups to hit never got 1 hit in)

the thing that did the most damage was blood letters and arua of decay

turn 1 nurgle failed to come in and khorne came in and got shot the hell out of 1 squad died

blood angels had everything reroleing rerol to his reroll to hit ect and reroll MY succsesfull involn save

mephiston and death company killed the 8 blood crushers and death company was killed by crushers

i NEED to reroll hit or else i cannot hit a damn thing :L so skarbad WAS worth the points

also read the rules wrong for instrument instrument sucks horrably

bearers of nurgle just died and never did anything

drones was killed by assult troop in melee killed nothing

blood thruster died from mifiston (with 2 wonds left)

great unclean one died in 1 assult from mefiston (multy assult with him with b t )

blood letters shot to death

daemon princes where killed by death company and assult

and for once 0 guard

my eldar did alot for haveing almost nothing

WHAT THE HELL DID I DO WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

can anyone tell me on what i did wrong T^T

You took a number of inefficient options like Aura, Instrument 10 units of PB and too small units of letters.

At 2000 points (no special chars) this is my list..

2x Herald of Tzeetch

6x Fiends
6x Crushers w/ full command
3x Flamers

12x Daemonettes
5x Horrors w/ Bolt
5x Horrors w/ Bolt
9x Horrors w/ Changeling

12x Seekers
6x Screamers

2x Grinders w/ Tongue

There is a huge difference in my list vs yours. Mine has anti tank, it has fast moving CC threats and the flamers keep enemies on their toes.

More than anything I know how to play it by splitting waves based on my opponent and the mission. From what you have said you...Threw the thirster (and GUO) into his own Death w/ Mephiston (he needs to be killed by mass letters or bolts), wasted the Blight Drones by dropping a fast ranged unit too close, put your letters out there unsupported and generally failed to use cover or play the mission appropriately.

Also, you do not need Skar to hit - Skar can enhance an army but you need to play that army just right and it requires A LOT of finesse.

ok ill try your army next time that and it would have ben pluage first but i failed that role of corse :L

there was just 5+ cover save things my invon save was better

the enamy was mainly infantry the only vehicals they had was a razor back and a landraider witch died turn 2 and 3

I am not saying try my army, I use an army that works for me (that is not an 'optimal' build necessarily) but it may not work for you.

My point is we have pointed out some selections you made that really do not work and you are seeing why. If there are very few vehicles you are in good shape since vehicle killing for daemons is tough

ah ok ill give that a shot i mostly want something to survive then to kill but what should i get rid of in order to kill (also why can 10 pleage bearers die agenst 1 turn of fighting 5 assult marines) :L

also how can i roll dice right so that i get 3+ all the time :L