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Faith points per turn as per 4th edition
Acts of Faith as per 4th edition
Torrent AP 2 flamers on Immolators (with scout)
Penitent Engines to FS and points cost reduction
Alternative to Rhino Spam
Plastic Sisters Boxset
Plastic Seraphim
Assault vehicle for Repentia
AV 14 Flying Church (Monolith style)
AV 14 LR-style Church vehicle
Ignores Cover on Exorcists as an upgrade

Any more?

Probably should be in proposed rules.

Holy crap you've got a wish list there.

Faith points weren't 'per turn' in 3rd/4th. They were total per game. They are per turn now.

AP2 Flamers with Torrent on Immos? With Scout? Good god man.

Penitents should be in Elite. It would mean they might actually get fielded.

There's already an alternative to rhino spam.

Assault Vehicle in general. EVen if it is the LR church would be great.

Flying church? Not so sure about that.

Ignores cover would be cool since I always pictured the missiles coming down from above.

Actual love from GW would be nice.

What SOB really need are:

- Plastic troops (at minimum)
- Secondary troops choice (Frateris or Redemptionists would be fine)
- Expanded wargear section ala current 6th ed codexes
- Allow current HQs access to the wargear
- Reduction in points for Priests
- Reapproach or rejigger for faith and the faith system. I'm a fan of the 3rd ed C:CA version.
- Roles for Celestians. Right now they have no real role in the army.
- Flyer or flying defense

I think a specific fortification that can only be taken by them would be cool. Or a purchasable upgrade for a fortification to make it a holy site.

Manchu's Sisters of Battle Wish List:

- Sixth Edition Codex
- Plastic Sisters

How about more reasonably;

Scaling faith points (1d3 per 500 points per turn)

Fast immolators with a Fire Point.

A Priest character (not special character) who makes Penitent Engines elites AND heavy (like MoTF for dreadnoughts)

Alternate Fire mode for Exorcists, like the Whirlwind has - only instead of S8 AP HeavyD6, it's S5 AP4 Barrage, Large Blast, Ignores Cover. Oh, and Exorcists can be squadronned (but maybe with a max of 3 per detachment, so you can have 3 squadrons of 1 exorcist, or 1 squadron of 3 exorcists, but not 3 squadrons of 3 exorcists).

 Manchu wrote:
Manchu's Sisters of Battle Wish List:

- Sixth Edition Codex
- Plastic Sisters

Seconded!


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
How about more reasonably;

Scaling faith points (1d3 per 500 points per turn)

Why not just go back to the old way and have a pool for the game?

Alternate Fire mode for Exorcists, like the Whirlwind has - only instead of S8 AP HeavyD6, it's S5 AP4 Barrage, Large Blast, Ignores Cover. Oh, and Exorcists can be squadronned (but maybe with a max of 3 per detachment, so you can have 3 squadrons of 1 exorcist, or 1 squadron of 3 exorcists, but not 3 squadrons of 3 exorcists).

edit: Wait, so I can't read correctly. This sounds reasonable.

No, re-read it.

I said a squadron, but a cap of 3 per detachment. So 3 exorcists total, but you can field them as a squadron or as individual units.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
No, re-read it.

I said a squadron, but a cap of 3 per detachment. So 3 exorcists total, but you can field them as a squadron or as individual units.

Doh! I can't read.

:p So, in revision to that knowledge, you opinion of the idea?

 Furyou Miko wrote:
:p So, in revision to that knowledge, you opinion of the idea?

I edited my post.

Alternate fire would have to be more points. Other than that, reasonable.

pretre wrote:Why not just go back to the old way and have a pool for the game?

Personally, I like the "per turn" more. In a way, I suppose it just feels more fluffy.
Morale waxes and wanes as long as a battle rages. Of course one could also argue that it'd make sense for the SoB to lose their inspiration after they've exhausted themselves, but meh. Mechanically, I feel the old system favoured an "all or nothing" approach where AoF would often be conserved until a specific moment in battle, whereas with the new rules they remain an aspect of the army for the entire battle. That just sounds more interesting to me.

I do feel the system could be tweaked and expanded, though. Aside from making it scale to army size or allowing to choose from a list of multiple AoF again rather than having them be "squad-exclusive", it might be neat if there were more "conditions" that would affect FP generation or AoF reliability. Nothing too complicated, though. I feel the basic idea to make them less complicated and more fluid (specifically rolling whether an AoF was success or failure) in 5E was a good one.

pretre wrote:

- Plastic Sisters

Seconded!

Bah. Only if they continue to sell the old 10x metal girls boxes too. Priced like the IG.


Anyways, here's my list(s):

Must Have's
- 6E Codex.
- Faith Pool (per turn!) scales with army size
- Make the Canoness awesome again. SCs suck.
- WTB Wargear (ties in with the above). Where's mah sarissas? Where's me books!

Cool Stuff
- CC viability for Celestians (powersword and storm shields?)
- Frateris Militia (you know you wanna)
- Give us back the Palatine. Cheaper HQs for cheaper games.
- Actual SoB characters. If you really need to throw SC at us, at least give us Praxedes and Helena back rather than Space Angel and Cardinal Oldfart.
- Valkyrie Dropships!

Maybe's
- Centurion-style exosuits as heavy SoB melee specialists (think Ripley's Powerloader with added armour, sword, kite shield and flamer)
- Dominica-pattern Drop Pods (could be unlockable by taking a Canoness for HQ)
- Lightning Fighter (same as above)
- Novice Squads
- Phosphor Grenades?
- Return of the Rites of Battle. They were a cool and fluffy idea!
- Solo Repentias (the CA09 version just sounded awesome and characterful in terms of style)

 Lynata wrote:
Bah. Only if they continue to sell the old 10x metal girls boxes too. Priced like the IG.

Why would we still want the nonexistent metal box?

- Make the Canoness awesome again. SCs suck.
- WTB Wargear (ties in with the above). Where's mah sarissas?

Did you actually ever use sarissas? They were horrible. I think just having a 6th ed wargear section and giving Canoness' access would be pretty good. Also, give them some sort of force multiplier power.

- CC viability for Celestians (powersword and storm shields?)
- Frateris Militia (you know you wanna)
- Give us back the Palatine. Cheaper HQs for cheaper games.
- Actual SoB characters. If you really need to throw SC at us, at least give us Praxedes and Helena back rather than Space Angel and Cardinal Oldfart.
- Valkyrie Dropships!

I could see these. Although I never saw the reason for a Palatine other than you wanted to spend no points on your HQ. We already have dirt cheap HQs, how much cheaper can they get?

- Centurion-style exosuits as heavy SoB melee specialists (think Ripley's Powerloader with added armour, sword, kite shield and flamer)

This is worrisome. I would rather they fix PE.

- Dominica-pattern Drop Pods (could be unlockable by taking a Canoness for HQ)

Yay, CJ units!

- Novice Squads

Never been a fan.

- Return of the Rites of Battle. They were a cool and fluffy idea!

Could be cool.

 pretre wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
Bah. Only if they continue to sell the old 10x metal girls boxes too. Priced like the IG.

Why would we still want the nonexistent metal box?

He likes the weight.

pretre wrote:Why would we still want the nonexistent metal box?

"Some" people like metal more than plastic?

[edit] Exactly - see Manchu

pretre wrote:Did you actually ever use sarissas? They were horrible.

They were! But the concept was sound. I think just tweaking them a little would or at least making them cheaper would make this a cool option. I mean, boltguns with melee attachments... What's not to like!

pretre wrote:I could see these. Although I never saw the reason for a Palatine other than you wanted to spend no points on your HQ. We already have dirt cheap HQs, how much cheaper can they get?

I admit it's more of a style choice. Perhaps the Canoness can be made a little more expensive if she's made a bit better, either in raw stats or some sort of special ability. Ultimately, I just like the idea of having a choice between Palatine and Canoness, similar to how SM players can choose between Captain and Chapter Master.
From memory, I thought the 3E Palatine was especially useful for small 500 pts games. It was fluffy to have "just" a Palatine with the army, and you could save a few points to get more stuff for the troops.

It's certainly not a must-have, I just think it was a mistake to take her away once this rank was established in 3E.

pretre wrote:This is worrisome. I would rather they fix PE.

Why not both? I wouldn't see them in direct competition - at least not more than Centurions are with Dreads. Plus, PEs are Ecclesiarchy stuff. Having a lighter "pure SoB" melee thingie would be neat for that alone.
I guess it's an idée fixe I got after participating in that Centurion fluff thread here on dakka. At first I was opposed to the idea, but the more I thought about it ... and then I got that image of Ripley in Aliens stuck in my head.

Ideally, I think a new Codex should offer options to run a mix of SoB and Ecclesiarchy, or pure SoB lists, or even pure Ecclesiarchy lists!

 Kain wrote:
Actual love from GW would be nice.

Tender love at that. None of this "bend you over the table" nonsense.

More on topic my wishlist is:

Combine 3rd and 5th Edition's Faith Rules: 1 point per Adeptus Sororitas Unit on the table per player turn. Unused points expire at the end of the turn and Characters with the Faithful Special Rule generate 2 points instead of 1 (Canoness/Palatine).
Give Immolaters either Fast when equipped with Heavy Flamers or Torrent
Make Sarissas a good option (1ppm with a Bolter, only usable by models with bolters, reroll wound rolls of 1 in close combat)
Generic Living Saint Options
Alternate Seraphim with Storm Shield/Power Lances as Elites
Canoness with Jump Pack Again
Restore 3rd Ed Wargear, add in combi-flamer option use with CCWs, make Burning Brazier work like Burna Boyz (power weapon if it hasn't been fired during that player turn)
Make Celestians awesome again
Citadel Journal Drop Pods!
Give Penitent Engines access to Multi-Meltas and Heavy Bolters as well as their standard Heavy Flamers, make them 10-20 points cheaper per model
Adamantium Will and Preferred Enemy (Psyker) on the entire army.
Zealots back into the army (second troops choice!) Unit size 5-50.
Repentia in a 5-20 Squad Size
BSS in 5-20 Squad Size (so they can ride in Immolators again)
BSS unlock special or heavy at 5 models, an additional special at 10, another special or heavy at 15 and another special at 20
Blessed Ammo and Promethium back!
Quit letting the Repentia hog all the Eviscerators!
Keep the style of specific faith powers per unit, but make the powers useful in all three phases
Steal a note from IG and port Avenger Strike Fighters and Repressors over from FW (they won't mind the extra sales, honest!)
Valkyries as a transport aircraft. No Vendettas, just Valkyries.

Okay, I got that out of my system!

EDIT: Forgot one:
Light tank (12/11/10) with the Inferno Cannon/Melta Cannon and Avenger Megabolter as turret options.

Great ideas! Keep them coming.

I want Sisters to be a force to be reckoned with in 6E. Tau killers and Eldar rapers.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Great ideas! Keep them coming.

I want Sisters to be a force to be reckoned with in 6E. Tau killers and Eldar rapers.

Not really their thing, by fluff. They're (supposed to be) a MEQ-killer, an Armor-Killer and a Horde-Killer (what with all the flamers and the meltas and the missile-launching pipe-organ tanks). They also simply won't have the range to compete with Tau or Eldar in 6th meta, without fundamentally changing the wargear they're equipped with. They're a close/mid shooty army, primarily, with some decent assault units *provided* those units can actually get into melee.

Done right, I think the Sisters in 6th will be a solid mid-tier, maybe even edging into upper-tier army, but I don't see them getting enough of a boost to challenge Tau or Eldar, not in a competitive-play environment, anyway.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
I want Sisters to be a force to be reckoned with in 6E. Tau killers and Eldar rapers.

You know that SOB are actually really well positioned to deal with Tau and Eldar right? I laugh at all those giant MCs.

 pretre wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
I want Sisters to be a force to be reckoned with in 6E. Tau killers and Eldar rapers.

You know that SOB are actually really well positioned to deal with Tau and Eldar right? I laugh at all those giant MCs.

Nothing funnier than watching your opponent's MC disappear in a pink mist after being barraged by Exorcists. Quickest I've pulled it off to date was Turn 1 against a Hive Tyrant. Rolls 6 shots, hit with all 6, wounded with 5 and it was -gone- thanks to not having any cover once so ever. I'd only meant to wound it a little.

Since you all already have the crunch side well covered...

- Badass fluff: More of what we've seen in the past, really. Some stories about them zealously fighting whatever foes the galaxy has to offer.
- More in-depth fluff: I'd like to hear more detail on some things. Like the different Major Orders, how they recruit, and just what is up with the white hair?
- Cool artwork: This will probably be a given, but it's still something I'm very much looking forward to.

But, as for crunch, zealot mobs would be very interesting. Essentially, they'd be cultist equivilants.

 Troike wrote:
But, as for crunch, zealot mobs would be very interesting. Essentially, they'd be cultist equivilants.

Just cut and paste the redemptionist rules out of codex: chapter approved. Done.

 Troike wrote:
Since you all already have the crunch side well covered...

- Badass fluff: More of what we've seen in the past, really. Some stories about them zealously fighting whatever foes the galaxy has to offer.
- More in-depth fluff: I'd like to hear more detail on some things. Like the different Major Orders, how they recruit, and just what is up with the white hair?
- Cool artwork: This will probably be a given, but it's still something I'm very much looking forward to.

But, as for crunch, zealot mobs would be very interesting. Essentially, they'd be cultist equivilants.

A detailed explanation of how Sisters are chosen and trained would be cool too!
More details, fluff, and some crazy cool relics that light people on fire!

And Zealots are from WD 292.

ClockworkZion wrote:
And Zealots are from WD 292.

Nononono.

Seriously. Dig up a copy of the old redemptionist rules from Codex: Chapter Approved. The Zealots were watered down versions they put out. The Reds were soooo much better.

 pretre wrote:
Just cut and paste the redemptionist rules out of codex: chapter approved. Done.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it's funny how much the SoB could be improved just by giving them back stuff that they used to have.

The white hair is, iirc, specific to the Order of Our Martyred Lady. It's a thing they do to honor Saint Katherine, the first Canoness of the Order, following the end of the Age of Apostasy.

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Just cut and paste the redemptionist rules out of codex: chapter approved. Done.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it's funny how much the SoB could be improved just by giving them back stuff that they used to have.

Yep, just give them back the stuff from C:CA and we'd be good. The only bad thing there was that Exorcists were only AP3.

 pretre wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:
And Zealots are from WD 292.

Nononono.

Seriously. Dig up a copy of the old redemptionist rules from Codex: Chapter Approved. The Zealots were watered down versions they put out. The Reds were soooo much better.

Yeah, most of us can't find that damned thing. It's on a long list of books and publications I haven't been able to find.

Zealots to me seemed like a tweak on Frateris Militia honestly, but that's because I've never seen the Redeptionist rules.


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I stand corrected, I just used Google and finally managed to find a copy.

Sadly this isn't the first time I've tried either.

I'll see if I can scan it tonight for funsies.

 pretre wrote:
I'll see if I can scan it tonight for funsies.

I appreciate it but I found it. First link I saw too. Unless your's isn't the 2004 one and is a different one, in which case then yes, scans please!