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I have a quick question can a Flying daemon prince thats on the ground jink?

Yes any flying monsterous creature can jink while it is on the ground.

Yup - combine with Nurgle Princes built in Shrouded for 2+ Jink (as a Nid player, cannot tell you how good this is )

Ok thank you its really my first time playing with them im gonna do that from now on keep one grounded and keep the other flying buffer lol

That's a great way to do it. The only problem that you'll run into is that you'll typically want to have your Daemon Prince take up a heavy support slot, which is tough to do with mixed marks since you have to take the same mark on say, a greater daemon or named character, to get the daemon Prince to be heavy support. You can use CSM as allies for Be'Lakor to get around this a little bit (as he is the ultimate buff machine) but just take care how you list-craft - it's given me a couple hair-pulling moments

Yea i need to get me a Be'lakor model i have 3 daemon princes with wings atm

Just gonna find a good list for it i want to run a defilier and a soul grinder and hel drake

luke1705 wrote:
That's a great way to do it. The only problem that you'll run into is that your opponent will hate you for rule exploiting

Fixed dat for ya.

Rule exploiting?

 koooaei wrote:

luke1705 wrote:
That's a great way to do it. The only problem that you'll run into is that your opponent will hate you for rule exploiting

Fixed dat for ya.

Rule exploiting? Its a perfectly clear, legitimate use of the rules. Or is moving your FMC 12" exploiting the rules as well?

Nope, just ground break-dancing daemon princes.

immobilized skimmers jinking, that's exploiting the rules. But again, perfectly legal

That's no different if you ask me.

Yep, that's a question of rule consistency. Why can't a raptor jink while jumping around? He's much harder to hit. And yet, a 3 times larger daemon can do it. Even the one which is Slow And Purposeful.

40k isn't trying to follow logic or common sense. Its a game, not a simulation.

Actually, it's trying. Otherwise, it'd not have a hundreed pages of semi-realistic rules.

Not really. Last time I checked armies didn't let each other take turns moving a shooting each other

Last time i checked an imperial guardman couldn't punch through a vehicle with his bayonette. Don't confuse abstract and absurd.

 koooaei wrote:
Last time i checked an imperial guardman couldn't punch through a vehicle with his bayonette. Don't confuse abstract and absurd.

Your in a setting that's 40,000 years in the future that has space elves, terminators, and daemons fighting gentetic super humans. It's all absurd.

You're mixing apples and oranges. How does fantasy support inconsistent physics?

Its Chaos, the warp happened, its a daemon prince. Of course there is inconsistent physics.

 koooaei wrote:
That's no different if you ask me.

Yep, that's a question of rule consistency. Why can't a raptor jink while jumping around? He's much harder to hit. And yet, a 3 times larger daemon can do it. Even the one which is Slow And Purposeful.

Well, they do have a super high initiative... so fluff-wise, these daemon princes are supposed to be able to move very quickly. They hear gunfire or see some enemies taking aim, and immediately move or shift.... It makes sense to me. They are supposed to be some of the most biologically advanced organisms in the 40k universe... I think they could "jink" with their wings and do it fairly effectively.

Except they're expressly not walking across the ground. The mode is called Gliding, so they're still flying. Jinking is like, doing a barrel roll or other defensive maneuvers.

Jump and Jet Pack units are just popping from point to point, not gliding through the air.

 koooaei wrote:
That's no different if you ask me.

Yep, that's a question of rule consistency. Why can't a raptor jink while jumping around? He's much harder to hit. And yet, a 3 times larger daemon can do it. Even the one which is Slow And Purposeful.

The last game I played, a Hat and a Scotty Dog moved faster than my Racecar. That's ridiculous. Fething rules exploiters.

FMC does not equal flyer. Take a look at the lack of blast immunity on the FMC.
You get a better jink, in exchange for being shot at more.

I don't see the big deal really, a motorcycle can jink, but a Gliding FMC can't?

IMO, jump packs should have been given jink; it make assault marines actually useful.

 AutarchRion wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
That's no different if you ask me.

Yep, that's a question of rule consistency. Why can't a raptor jink while jumping around? He's much harder to hit. And yet, a 3 times larger daemon can do it. Even the one which is Slow And Purposeful.

Well, they do have a super high initiative... so fluff-wise, these daemon princes are supposed to be able to move very quickly. They hear gunfire or see some enemies taking aim, and immediately move or shift.... It makes sense to me. They are supposed to be some of the most biologically advanced organisms in the 40k universe... I think they could "jink" with their wings and do it fairly effectively.

Than why doesn't a footslogging dp get to jink? He has the same initiative as a flying one.

That's what i'm talking about. Situations like this. Some people might find it no big deal. Others will find it awkward.

I guess if we are talking physics....

the 40k universe would not exist. The second the warp opened up in the eye of terror when Slaanesh was born, the anathema of the warp to reality would rather quickly establish an equilibrium.

What this means is that matter cancels out anti-matter and the universe becomes nothing.

Iirc it's not anti-matter.

Back to topic: take care when there is ignore cover, Wave Serpents eat non-swooping Demon Princes for breakfast.

Also when we are with Eldar: last game vs Tyranids I used 5 Dark Reapers with Exarch in a Bunker. Very expensive, but durable. For the price of a Land Raider it gives 7 S8 AP3 shots which ignore Jink. Puts a lot of hurt on MCs like Tyranids and Daemon Princes.

So make sure you don't overly rely on the cover save and make sure you press hard on the IC units early.

@koooaei If you'd bothered to read the rules for FMC's you would have noticed that they have two modes of moving; Swooping and gliding. They're not jinking while walking, they're doing it while either swooping or gliding. But please tell us more about "ground break-dancing daemon princes"

 Zande4 wrote:
@koooaei If you'd bothered to read the rules for FMC's you would have noticed that they have two modes of moving; Swooping and gliding. They're not jinking while walking, they're doing it while either swooping or gliding. But please tell us more about "ground break-dancing daemon princes"

Please tell us more about how a gliding monstrous creature is harder to target than a jumppack trooper.

 Murenius wrote:
Back to topic: take care when there is ignore cover, Wave Serpents eat non-swooping Demon Princes for breakfast.

Also when we are with Eldar: last game vs Tyranids I used 5 Dark Reapers with Exarch in a Bunker. Very expensive, but durable. For the price of a Land Raider it gives 7 S8 AP3 shots which ignore Jink. Puts a lot of hurt on MCs like Tyranids and Daemon Princes.

So make sure you don't overly rely on the cover save and make sure you press hard on the IC units early.

This. The Eldar are the great equalizer for Winged Daemon Princes. They are great against just about every other army out there, but these high strength ignore cover shots are very hard on them.