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2016/05/15 09:32:22
Subject: So the Kurds shot down a Turkish Cobra a couple days ago.
Seaward wrote: Yeah. A little nightmare fuel for military aviators out there.
Skip to about 4 minutes and 25 seconds.
I dunno if Turkish Cobras were sold with DIRCM or not, but I'm guessing not based on that.
Go Kurds!
No DIRCM there!
Maybe its also a case of it being unexpected? if there was no intel that the Kurds would use manpads/have manpads then I guess that doctrine and training would be a bit useless? Maybe the military got complacent?
Not that there was much time to react.
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2016/05/15 13:58:30
Subject: So the Kurds shot down a Turkish Cobra a couple days ago.
Reason #1,237 for why we need to get the hell out of there.
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2016/05/15 14:30:06
Subject: So the Kurds shot down a Turkish Cobra a couple days ago.
Ouze wrote: I could be mistaken, but aren't the PKK the Kurds everyone keeps saying we should be arming?
Nah, PKK is the organisation Turkey calls terrorists because they're using violence in a quest for independence for the Kurdish areas of Turkey. The same guys Turkey kept bombing in their training camps in the no-fly zone of northern Iraq that was supposed to protect Kurds from the evil Saddam. So mainly Iraq/Turkey.
2016/05/15 15:03:20
Subject: So the Kurds shot down a Turkish Cobra a couple days ago.
Frazzled wrote: Reason #1,237 for why we need to get the hell out of there.
I could be mistaken, but aren't the PKK the Kurds everyone keeps saying we should be arming?
That's not a sarcastic question, I actually don't know.
The Peshmerga,the military of Iraqi Kurdistan, are the Kurds everyone says we should be arming. Even the US considers the PKK a terrorist group. The problem is, Turkey generally hates the Kurds, and sometimes the Peshmerga and PKK work together.
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Seaward wrote: Yeah. A little nightmare fuel for military aviators out there.
Skip to about 4 minutes and 25 seconds.
I dunno if Turkish Cobras were sold with DIRCM or not, but I'm guessing not based on that.
Go Kurds!
No DIRCM there!
Maybe its also a case of it being unexpected? if there was no intel that the Kurds would use manpads/have manpads then I guess that doctrine and training would be a bit useless? Maybe the military got complacent?
Not that there was much time to react.
That looks to be an obsolescent SA-7 "Grail". And I'm guessing that Turk AH-1s are older blocks that don't have the full countermeasure packages that our modern Cobras have.
I don't trust the Kurds anymore than I trust any other group in the region. But they have taken a bunch of gak from the Turks. So, I don't fault them when they step on a few here and there.
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2016/05/16 02:01:04
Subject: So the Kurds shot down a Turkish Cobra a couple days ago.
oldravenman3025 wrote: That looks to be an obsolescent SA-7 "Grail". And I'm guessing that Turk AH-1s are older blocks that don't have the full countermeasure packages that our modern Cobras have.
I don't trust the Kurds anymore than I trust any other group in the region. But they have taken a bunch of gak from the Turks. So, I don't fault them when they step on a few here and there.
Nope. Modern Igla variant. I'd bet on a Grinch (SA-24 if I remember right). It could give the DIRCM on Whiskey Cobras a run for its money.
2016/05/16 08:17:36
Subject: Re:So the Kurds shot down a Turkish Cobra a couple days ago.
Are the Israelis funding and training these guys, are is that just the Kurds in Syria/ Iraq, etc? I've not been following current military events on Israeli sites lately, so not exactly sure if they're even still aiding an independent Kurdistan after the Russians involved themselves.
2016/05/16 14:18:32
Subject: Re:So the Kurds shot down a Turkish Cobra a couple days ago.
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2016/05/19 16:16:35
Subject: So the Kurds shot down a Turkish Cobra a couple days ago.
A Weapon and Tactics CW2 friend of mine had this to say.
Unclassified version, greater 85% chance that they will not successfully engage us. An apache would have almost certainly survived at that altitude. A Kiowa wouldn't have even been locked up
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2016/05/30 06:14:14
Subject: So the Kurds shot down a Turkish Cobra a couple days ago.
I do not know whether this is due to the success of the Kurds. But
Turkish pro-Kurd Communists patrol the night Istanbul, the police kept on stay away.
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2016/05/30 07:15:19
Subject: Re:So the Kurds shot down a Turkish Cobra a couple days ago.
djones520 wrote: A Weapon and Tactics CW2 friend of mine had this to say.
Unclassified version, greater 85% chance that they will not successfully engage us. An apache would have almost certainly survived at that altitude. A Kiowa wouldn't have even been locked up
I'm guessing it would be a similar situation with one of our Cobras.
Even with countermeasures no doubt it would be pretty hairy! Doubtful that it's a good feeling when warnings flash up on the control panel.
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