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Loving these new Mechanicum models!

 Bobthehero wrote:

I've been pretty vocal about not liking the HH models, and in this case, it has the same goofy looking sponson weapons that I can't stand. All of the sponson weapons in this style look like someone glued 40k bits onto a non 40k tank, and yes, I know that's how they looked XX years ago, but it doesn't look better now.

That being said, damn, the rest of the tank is beautiful. I think this might be my favorite FW tank ever to be frank, up there with the LR Achilles. The lines, the turret, superb.

Also, I think I have some extra LR sponson mounts from my many Warstore mega bits bags, so I could fix them up the way I like. Very tempting.

 Vaktathi wrote:


I think their point is, not all of it does exist in the current 40k timeline anymore. The Heresy was a different era for a reason and so much of what once was is no longer. From that perspective, I can dig it.

The mechanicum still have things like these robots, but the mechanicum is not a playable faction in 40k. They're being introduced in 30k so they may appear at some point in 40k.

 Vaktathi wrote:
I need a Sicaran or three

Especially in such lovely Iron Warrior's colors

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Bad news chaps, I emailed FW to ask about experimental rules for fielding the HH Mechanicum units in 40K, and they currently have no plans to make them playable outside the HH rules :(

That's just stupid. These things certainly exist in 40th millennium as well, so why not give them rules?

I think their point is, not all of it does exist in the current 40k timeline anymore. The Heresy was a different era for a reason and so much of what once was is no longer. From that perspective, I can dig it.

I really like the models but I don't play HH. Apparently FW doesn't want to sell these.

this would be my primary issue with it, I'd love to try running more of these in normal games, though i can understand where they are coming from

Thing is though, they do exist in 40K. I can buy them being rarer, but I don't see why it's more likely in the 40K-era that you'd see a ten thousand year-old and no longer manufactured battletank which doesn't even fit the 40K-era strategy and tactics of the army that can field it, than you'd see one of the primary military formations of one of the largest factions in the background, but that's what's happening with the rules, since SMs are getting their Typhons and Spartans and Fellblades and Glaives.

I'll still be buying at least one, since you could possibly make a tolerable Legio Cybernetica allied detachment using the new Space Marine rules(MotF plus a pair of Contemptors from Elite and HS, plus the Iron Hands Chapter Tactics, then a unit of Scouts as Skitarii, maybe a Techmarine or two to beef up the Scouts if they follow the DA 'dex and no longer take slots), but there's really no way FW can pretend they're holding back Mechanicus experimental rules out of some reverence for the fluff when they're giving out Heresy-era superheavies and Land Raider variants like candy.

Ah, Forgeworld, why do you taunt me so? My big FW order just arrived yesterday, and already they're announcing more models I want...

But, I expect that. Always seems to happen every time I make a FW order. At least we should be getting the next HH book, and possibly the revised IA2 before the end of the year.

Yea, far as I know, robots etc still exist in the 40th millenium. They're just exclusive to the Mechanicum instead of being attached to any allied force. Which is why they'd make a lot more sense to have experimental rules than these HH era Space Marine tanks that are getting them...

mm FW my wallets gonna be calling 000 to report a rape if you keep this up!

One of the most advanced armoured units in the arsenal of the Great Crusade, the Sicaran Battle Tank was the exclusive province of the Space Marine Legions. The Sicaran utilises component technologies from various STC patterns to create a high-speed ‘destroyer’ tank to complement the more commonplace Predator and Land Raider designs.

The primary armament of the main Sicaran variant is the sophisticated Herakles pattern accelerator autocannon, a superior rapid-firing and highly accurate weapon. It fires shells at far higher velocities than a standard autocannon, enabling it to successfully track and engage swift moving targets and pinpoint vulnerabilities in enemy armour with lethal precision.

The Sicaran Battle Tank, designed by Phil Stutcinskas, is a complete resin kit. This model is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Friday 30th August.

"With such weapons as these at the forefront of our Great Crusade, we shall lay low the xenos, strike down ignorance and cast the shadows of Old Night beyond the borders of the galaxy. With reason and enlightenment comes unification and glory, and a thousand times a thousand years of prosperity, all in the name of the Emperor of Mankind."

Iterator Jhorvus Mhal, during the Thirteen Realms Campaign

Legion Heavy Flamers





The heaviest of the portable Legiones Astartes ‘Volkite’ weapons, the Volkite Culverin is a thermal ray weapon of ancient provenance. Its beam has a devastating effect on organic matter, explosively burning flesh into ash and jetting fire.

Heavy Flamers are often deployed by Legiones Astartes units either as area denial weapons or to force enemy infantry from fortified positions. A variety of different chemicals have been used as fuel for these fearsome weapons, all of them designed to ignite on contact with the atmosphere. The Volkite Culverin and Heavy Flamers sets each contain ten detailed resin weapons which can be combined with our resin Space Marine Legion Infantry, such as the Legiones Astartes Mk II, Mk III and Mk IV armour sets, to construct Legion Heavy Support Squads.

Designed by Will Hayes, these sets are available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Friday 30th August.

What's with the 40k tanks being backwards? The part that would work well to go over obstacles is always on the rear and the part that would get stuck is on the front. If the front and back of your tracks are different heights, the high part goes on the front:

 frozenwastes wrote:
What's with the 40k tanks being backwards? The part that would work well to go over obstacles is always on the rear and the part that would get stuck is on the front. If the front and back of your tracks are different heights, the high part goes on the front:

In the grim darkness of the far future battlefields are backwards too?

In the grim darkness of the far future, tanks need to be aerodynamic.

 Shandara wrote:
In the grim darkness of the far future, tanks need to be aerodynamic.

But aircraft don't

The original tank designs emulated the MK V, but presumably the designers didn't want it to be a straight rip, thus reversed the tracks. Following this were designers who put rule of cool first, or just didn't know a damn about how tracked vehicles work so the design stuck I guess. The back to front tracks are the mainstray of the marine forces, but don't the Forgeworld Imperial Guard vehicles use the proper track make up?

Oddly Ork vehicles have tracks that are the correct way around I think. Though this could perhaps be put down to the Imperium not knowing that their designs are wrong (or the tech's so advanced that it isn't...) whereas the Orks have an innate knowledge about which way things should go around. GW logic. =P

It's funny that ork vehicles make more sense than imperial ones.

Those Orks are smarter than they get credit for.

All IG vehicles have tracks the right way, only SM vehicles have them reversed.

 ergotoxin wrote:
All IG vehicles have tracks the right way, only SM vehicles have them reversed.

They must be giving themselves some sort of handicap I guess, otherwise it wouldn't be fair.

Still, I do like the model for the new tank. I'm surprised it's so much cheaper than the Fellblade too. I guess the Baneblade sprues for that make up the bulk of the cost.

 ergotoxin wrote:
All IG vehicles have tracks the right way, only SM vehicles have them reversed.

It's a numbers game really.

There are more IG than SM, so they are expendable.

IG tanks are build to advance and die.
SM tanks are build to retreat and survive.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
In the grim darkness of the far future, tanks need to be aerodynamic.

But aircraft don't

Heretical concepts like drag and air flow are for those weak in faith!

The tracks on the Sicarian aren't that bad. The front is relatively low, but then again, it's the same way with modern tanks like the Abrams. It's got all the rough-terrain capability a "modern" vehicle needs assuming it's not fighting in WW1 trenches, so in that respect it's a fine pre-heresy design, in some ways more advanced than the "current" Imperial tech level.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
The tracks on the Sicarian aren't that bad. The front is relatively low, but then again, it's the same way with modern tanks like the Abrams. It's got all the rough-terrain capability a "modern" vehicle needs assuming it's not fighting in WW1 trenches, so in that respect it's a fine pre-heresy design, in some ways more advanced than the "current" Imperial tech level.

Until it tries to go up a moderately steep hill and rolls over backwards because the center of gravity is only marginally in front of the pivot point where the rear of the track leaves the ground. Engines, turrets and large weapons are very heavy and they are all at the extreme rear of the tank! Its not going to take much of a berm or hill to tip it over backwards.

Meanwhile back in fantasy land, if I were to get one of these I would turn it around by reversing the turret, putting viewports and hatches in the current rear and moving the engine well forward in the current front. CG would still be a problem but not quite as bad.

T

If people are so massively against the reversed design of the Sicaran Tank, then it is quite easy to simply reverse the guns and voilà, the tank you always wanted. Now you can drive towards the enemy with your exhaust and engine block exposed like you always wanted

My biggest issue is the gap between the front track guard and the track itself (you'll pop one of the track hinges eventually when the guard doesn't give when it does inevitably catch), but eh.

Nonetheless an awesome looking vehicle (and in an iron warrior scheme no less!).

Small bit of info:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/Forge_World_July_Best_Sellers_2013.html

Forge World July Best Sellers 2013
10.) Legion MK IV Power Weapons
9.) Vendetta Conversion Kit
8.) Contemptor Pattern Close Combat Arm (fist)
7.) Imperial Armour Volume Twelve The Fall of Orpheus
6.) Legion MK IV Maximus Armour
5.) Imperial Armour Volume Three Second Edition: The Taros Campaign
4.) Contemptor Pattern Kheres Assault Cannon
3.) Fulgrim the Illuminator Primarch of the Emperor's Children
2.) Emperor's Children Palatine Blades Squad
1.) Legion Praetors

Maybe a bit of news. I sent an email to Forgeworld asking if they would update the Badab War characters after the new C;SM release, and also asked if they planned to release the alternative Fulgrim model.

Their response:

The rules for the Badab War will be updated at some point but as to when is unknown at the moment.

As for the alternative Fulgrim that was something that one of our designs did that would not be made for general sale. He just brought it from his own personal collection of modified figures.

Obviously, no confirmation about the C:SM release, but at least I know my Red Scorpions won't be forgotten.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Maybe a bit of news. I sent an email to Forgeworld asking if they would update the Badab War characters after the new C;SM release, and also asked if they planned to release the alternative Fulgrim model.

Their response:

The rules for the Badab War will be updated at some point but as to when is unknown at the moment.

As for the alternative Fulgrim that was something that one of our designs did that would not be made for general sale. He just brought it from his own personal collection of modified figures.

Obviously, no confirmation about the C:SM release, but at least I know my Red Scorpions won't be forgotten.

If there is enough interest/demand for the alternate Fulgrim by people calling/emailing about it, they may release it. That happened for a couple of the Badab characters, which were personal projects that drew interest and thus were released.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Maybe a bit of news. I sent an email to Forgeworld asking if they would update the Badab War characters after the new C;SM release, and also asked if they planned to release the alternative Fulgrim model.

Their response:

The rules for the Badab War will be updated at some point but as to when is unknown at the moment.

As for the alternative Fulgrim that was something that one of our designs did that would not be made for general sale. He just brought it from his own personal collection of modified figures.

Obviously, no confirmation about the C:SM release, but at least I know my Red Scorpions won't be forgotten.

Really though, that statement is so vague it could mean nothing more than "at some unspecified point in the future, we will do a 2nd Edition of the Badab War books", which if they continue doing them in order would be a couple of years hence.

 Ehsteve wrote:
If people are so massively against the reversed design of the Sicaran Tank, then it is quite easy to simply reverse the guns and voilà, the tank you always wanted. Now you can drive towards the enemy with your exhaust and engine block exposed like you always wanted

The land raider would really benefit from this.
It would look more imposing from the front.
The assault ramp would be bigger and look like the terminators could actually charge out of it without banging their heads.
Easier for the tank to go up and over steep obstacles.

timd wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
The tracks on the Sicarian aren't that bad. The front is relatively low, but then again, it's the same way with modern tanks like the Abrams. It's got all the rough-terrain capability a "modern" vehicle needs assuming it's not fighting in WW1 trenches, so in that respect it's a fine pre-heresy design, in some ways more advanced than the "current" Imperial tech level.

Until it tries to go up a moderately steep hill and rolls over backwards because the center of gravity is only marginally in front of the pivot point where the rear of the track leaves the ground. Engines, turrets and large weapons are very heavy and they are all at the extreme rear of the tank! Its not going to take much of a berm or hill to tip it over backwards.

I hope someone who buys a Sicaran will conduct a simple experiment, then. All they have to do is place the tank on a level surface, then slowly raise one end of it until the tank "flips over backwards" as you say. Once that threshold is reached, the experimenter should record the angle at which the platform is. That is the only way to judge the physical qualities of the design using the real object, though imperfect (as a resin model has uniform density. and disproportional weight). A better way would be to construct a 3D model with weight distribution more closer to something that would actually exist in a fictional universe. The problems with this latter idea are so obvious that I won't enumerate them here.

TLDR: Prove it.

I admit that the basic design lacks courage, though. A more ambitious designer would have given us something far closer to an Abrams still, with a low center of gravity and other design characteristics of a modern tank instead of the trench-crossing behemoths "40k" vehicles have always been. The basic paradigm of land war in the 40k universe has always been rather infantile, equal parts WW1 and superhero comics.

Not sure if this is the right place, but according to natfka GW are redesigning their website and it'll include FW. Not sure what this will mean for FW shipping costs or if GW will start interfering with FW (I doubt the last one but who knows with GW especially with the talk about bringing the success of the HH over to GW)

New GW-Site!
Games Workshop will launch a new Internet-Site in April 2014. The new Site will bring back Hobby content and other stuff. The Online shop will include Black Library Products and at the end of the year 2014 Forgeworld. The success of Horus Heresy moved GW to this.

Launching on April 1st 2014, I guess?

Not sure why else it would take 8 months to roll out their new website.