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chaos0xomega wrote:I'm a bit disappointed in the higher end pledges... was planning on putting more than 300 dollars into this, but I'm kinda bummed that all that will get me is just 4 kits :( Was hoping for cool stuff like the previous kickstarter, like getting to name something in universe or something lol.

In any case, I'm figuring he'll need about 250-300 backers to fully fund the project, so its not out of the question by any means.

Ill agree, some of the stuff like your name in the book sells the small pledges, and getting to be a part of the fluff can sell the big ones...Im a little surprised to see neither in the offering.

Im really pulling for this to get off, even if it just skims by. With the proper advertising and distribution this kit (and its variants) could be huge sellers.

Judging by current pledges, it'll reach its goal within the space of 2-3 days.

I don't think not funding this is likely to be a concern, what I am interested in is if this is going to go far enough to release the Eisenkern faction with infantry and APCs and everything else in plastic, that's the real appeal that is on offer here.

Post-$80k will be where this thing really takes off, as the Dreamforge infantry are brilliant, and lots of people will want to buy ~100 of them in hard plastic.

COBRA!!!!!!


Shut up and take my money!!!

scarletsquig wrote:Judging by current pledges, it'll reach its goal within the space of 2-3 days.

Hmm yea $5k up already. 1/6 the way there

By the end of gen con I bet there will be a frenzy by those who saw the details

As a side question-

How is thier own game? Does anyone else play it, and how does it look as far as staying power?

These troops are Ace, if I say so myself, especially seeing those Sadukarr looking troops, that remind me of DUNE. Only thing missing is either a Sandworm, or a herd of dinosaurs.

I have never helped fund a kick starter so i have a question or two on how this works, And the model itself. If i give them the basic pledge of 80 something dollars, does the model get sent right away? or do i need to wait for them to meet their goal, then if it isn't reached what happens? As for the model itself. How well does it fit in the stand in titan size? Is it large enough for me to proxy it as a Wolfhound? Or is it only a bit larger then a dreadknight?

I'd be interested in the 'smaller' version of this one - and I'l admit to not knowing if this has already been discussed, so my apologies!

8" puts this squarely in Knight and/or Warhound territory.

I'd love to have one as a 'counts as' Dreadknight - is that size coming too?

In plastic (preferred!) or resin?

Alpharius wrote:I'd be interested in the 'smaller' version of this one - and I'l admit to not knowing if this has already been discussed, so my apologies!

8" puts this squarely in Knight and/or Warhound territory.

I'd love to have one as a 'counts as' Dreadknight - is that size coming too?

In plastic (preferred!) or resin?

they had that. It was limited and sold out lightning fast though.

Arrathon wrote:If i give them the basic pledge of 80 something dollars, does the model get sent right away?

They haven't made the model yet, so you'll have to wait a while.

or do i need to wait for them to meet their goal, then if it isn't reached what happens?

You only pay at the end; if they don't meet their goal, you don't pay anything.

As for the model itself. How well does it fit in the stand in titan size? Is it large enough for me to proxy it as a Wolfhound? Or is it only a bit larger then a dreadknight?

It's 8.5" tall: a bit over 20 cm. I'd expect that to be a lot bigger than a Dreadknight.

AlexHolker wrote:

or do i need to wait for them to meet their goal, then if it isn't reached what happens?

You only pay at the end; if they don't meet their goal, you don't pay anything.

Do note that as soon as you pledge, the money is set aside on whatever account you used. You cannot use that money.

If the Kickstarter is successful, Paypal or Amazon Payments will deduct the money from your account and send it over.

I would love to see then release the smaller crusader again, I can find many more uses for something at that scale!

@Alph

It's 2" shorter approximately than a Warhound so it's 80% as tall and looks to be significantly thinner from the photos. As for a dreadknight I think it would simply be to big. That's why I mentioned the 5.5" one would have been the optimal one to start with.

AlexHolker wrote:

Arrathon wrote:If i give them the basic pledge of 80 something dollars, does the model get sent right away?

They haven't made the model yet, so you'll have to wait a while.

It says that it should ship in October on the kickstarter, not too bad!

As I'm not aware of the size of any titan, I used this picture to figure out how big it is.
So close to twice as high as a dreadknight.

Absolutionis wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

or do i need to wait for them to meet their goal, then if it isn't reached what happens?

You only pay at the end; if they don't meet their goal, you don't pay anything.

Do note that as soon as you pledge, the money is set aside on whatever account you used. You cannot use that money.

If the Kickstarter is successful, Paypal or Amazon Payments will deduct the money from your account and send it over.

incorrect, money is not set aside at least that hasn't been the case with the past four kickstarters I pledged. money is paid via Amazon on the last day on the last minute of the pledge drive.

I'm in at the $89.00 level right now but will be increasing that if funds allow closer to the end.

I'm not sure if I'll field it in the 40k universe or the war machine universe I think it would make an excellent titan or colossal

This looks great, but the kickstarter really needs to have at least one picture of the Leviathan standing next to either a 28mm figure or a silhouette of a 28mm figure. The measurements are present, but it means little unless you can see directly how big it is.

scarletsquig wrote:the Eisenkern faction with infantry and APCs and everything else .

I would really like to see some APC and Tank designs.

While I am a big fan of mecha, Im a huge treadhead.


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Eilif wrote:This looks great, but the kickstarter really needs to have at least one picture of the Leviathan standing next to either a 28mm figure or a silhouette of a 28mm figure. The measurements are present, but it means little unless you can see directly how big it is.

That is true.

For anyone who wants a comparison I have pics of the resin Crusader I built in my gallery, several of them have a AoBR SM for size comparison.


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Gamingdog wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

or do i need to wait for them to meet their goal, then if it isn't reached what happens?

You only pay at the end; if they don't meet their goal, you don't pay anything.

Do note that as soon as you pledge, the money is set aside on whatever account you used. You cannot use that money.

If the Kickstarter is successful, Paypal or Amazon Payments will deduct the money from your account and send it over.

incorrect, money is not set aside at least that hasn't been the case with the past four kickstarters I pledged. money is paid via Amazon on the last day on the last minute of the pledge drive.

Gamingdog is correct, you will not be charged until the kickstarter closes. You can raise or lower your pledge as you see fit right until the last second. If the funding doesnt get met, you get charged nothing.


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Grot 6 wrote:As a side question-

How is thier own game? Does anyone else play it, and how does it look as far as staying power?

These troops are Ace, if I say so myself, especially seeing those Sadukarr looking troops, that remind me of DUNE. Only thing missing is either a Sandworm, or a herd of dinosaurs.

The rules are still in development/testing. The difficulties with the resin kits have kept Mark from devoting the proper amount of time to game development. The shift to plastic will free up a lot of his time, meaning more rules, fluff and new vehicles, Leviathans, troops, etc get designed.

Von Skyfury wrote:As I'm not aware of the size of any titan, I used this picture to figure out how big it is.
So close to twice as high as a dreadknight.

So..whoever owns all that...are they looking to adopt a old crabby man? because....wow. But jokes aside, I might just pitch in the 80'ish bucks or buy one when it comes out. I can it fitting my GK's as a Wolfhound stand in. I'll find a way to make wolfhound guns work on it...somehow.

Hulksmash wrote:@Alph

It's 2" shorter approximately than a Warhound so it's 80% as tall and looks to be significantly thinner from the photos. As for a dreadknight I think it would simply be to big. That's why I mentioned the 5.5" one would have been the optimal one to start with.

I would have been all over this if they were "Dreadknight" sized!

As it is, they are too big for me to realistically ever use on the table...

Still, I might be tempted at 'only' $89...

Either way, I wish him the best of luck and a very successful Kickstarter!

When Mark does eventually make the smaller version, it may need to be shorter than the 15mm 5.5" tall one that he had made, which is too big for most folks to use. But I love mine

Good to see this taking off, can't wait for the heavy infantry!

RiTides wrote:When Mark does eventually make the smaller version, it may need to be shorter than the 15mm 5.5" tall one that he had made, which is too big for most folks to use. But I love mine

Good to see this taking off, can't wait for the heavy infantry!

Good point - I guess I mean I want them to be 'DreadKnight' sized, whatever that actually is?

Does anyone have one they can measure?

Having the models myself I can tell you this:

The 8.5 inch Leviathan doesn't look as small as you'd think when placed next to an Armorcast Warhound. People aren't afraid those are out of scale, so this should work as a Warhound too.

The now OOP 5.5 inch leviathan is darn-near the same scale as the old Epicast Knight Paladin titan. (I actually have one of those too). It still towers over a Dreadknight however.

I believe Mark stated once that if the smaller Leviathans were to reappear that they would be slightly smaller. If that's the case they would look perfect as a Dreadknight if they were around 4.5 inches tall.



As a side note, I also have one of Mark's Gabreil Knights back from his old Dragon's Den days. Those are the same scale as an Armorcast Reaver without the carapace weapon.

Hello,
Personally I would like to see a option of the Mortis varient or the Crusader variant, this could come in handy for the wingman level pledge. I beleive it would bring in alot more pledges as well. Due to many playing Chaos, and Imperial, you may then also get multiple people on the same pledge tier as well.

Regards,
Carl

Ghiest1 wrote:Hello,
Personally I would like to see a option of the Mortis varient or the Crusader variant, this could come in handy for the wingman level pledge. I beleive it would bring in alot more pledges as well. Due to many playing Chaos, and Imperial, you may then also get multiple people on the same pledge tier as well.

Regards,
Carl

I would like to second this.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have a Mortis variant (at least a head!) I'd much rather have that then the alternate sword or vents or extra cannon arm.

And to those others who are worried this might not get as much funding due to "Kickstarter Fatigue," can't you back off of other Lickstarters that haven't ended yet? I've been tempted by others, but if I'd pledged for other stuff, I'd pull my money for this instead!

-C6

Just a tease.... This is one of the groups that will be in the Support Weapons Set.

Arrathon wrote:I have never helped fund a kick starter so i have a question or two on how this works, And the model itself. If i give them the basic pledge of 80 something dollars, does the model get sent right away? or do i need to wait for them to meet their goal, then if it isn't reached what happens? As for the model itself. How well does it fit in the stand in titan size? Is it large enough for me to proxy it as a Wolfhound? Or is it only a bit larger then a dreadknight?

What you are doing is helping fund a project. You start out with the basic, no mess sweetspot for what you want to pledge. If it is 10.00, that is going to get you whatever the tener gives you. If you go higher, in this case, say 80.00, you start there and everyone else will begin to get in on that action as well. As you see the project funding raise, then you go on and add in a couple of more $$$, and watch the fundings. As you see more and more of the project increases, you can either or not, add in more, compound into your pledge, and then as the projects "Add Ons" increase, you can continue to increase as well.

Most of the projects have a "Sweetspot" funding level when you can get high gain for your pledge, but make a note that the increases can substantially get higher then you expected, UNLESS YOU HAVE BUDGETED THE FUNDING BEFOREHAND.

I say that, because it is a good chance that you get caught up in the funding side of it and just keep dropping dimes into the till, as soon as its over, your over funded more then you expected, and then "The Next" shiny shows up and you end up with no scratch for that next one.

I would recommend- That you go in for 80, if your not already set for the higher amounts that you want. And then if you change your mind, let it ride and add in to your funding within the time limit.

I myself fund quite a few of these, so I have to budget it by the project, and I have a set limit of around 300 or so, depending- as a base number that I spend per project. I had a few that I overstepped myself in and questioned after the fact, but in ranging out the long term third and fourth order effects of the funding, you quickly can guage the success or failure of the personal effort to fund the project.

A lot of people see this as a way to get lickeys and chewies, and the new shinies. Me, I like seeing a well thought out project with effort and a good backing of alot of us here. ( We're kinda in this together to grow a hobby, sort of thing.) I was in on that Shadowrun game, until I guaged that there was more then enough effort backing the game, and then had to rethink my pledging when I had seen THIS project in the making.

Long story short, we're backing projects within the wargaming community, and these people will pretty much be people within our circle. WE KNOW THESE PEOPLE, if by reputation, and thier past efforts.

So with that, I would say, start with a plan, don't go deeper then you really want to, and in the end, if you are in on the project your good, but don't be married to it if it in the long run- it isn't really on your radar.

Because if we have seen over the past few months, there is no shortage of good gaming that is in need of funding.

How they deal with the funding is that you pledge the funds, they mark it down, and your going to go over to the Amazon page and they will track it in thereas a pledge. After they make mission on dates, they will take the funding( The total funding of the pledge through the whole project) out of your account( either amazon, or Paypal) Issues that KS have are that they take it out of an Amazon account, and after the fact, Paypal is in the discusion. In Indigogo, they take it right out of the account, right there after the pledge.( Indigogo is sucky, because they take the $$$ out right away, there is no increases as the project goes forward.You end up having to pledge even more, and theres a substantial increase in the action after the distribution of the funds, whereas with Paypal, they usually wait, and take it all out at the end of the project.( more messing with the credit card, means more fees later.)

Hope that helps.

Delicious AA guns!

I like the AA team even if 3 guys makes it seem a bit busy. As a sidenote this is almost 25% funded which isn't to bad for a first day. Here's to hoping it keeps plugging away.

Hulksmash wrote:I like the AA team even if 3 guys makes it seem a bit busy. As a sidenote this is almost 25% funded which isn't to bad for a first day. Here's to hoping it keeps plugging away.

Normally you would run this with two, the spotter is included because "in game terms" he helps your roll to spot targets, and it would cost more as a game troop choice to include him. But hell, it can be an unmanned sentry gun if that’s what you wanted to do

I love the AA gun! Three people seem to fit pretty well to me, and of course if you only want 2 then it is a free man for you!

Oh, what bases will you be using for the infantry? I know you are using the rounded bases atm but I never really liked them, any chance of the flat ones instead? It makes then so much easier to mix with other game systems.