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Actually disabling comments on is becoming increasingly more common as companies and individuals realize that Youtube comments are basically the dumpster of the internet and provide zero value 99% of the time. Saying it's a "universally recognized sign of cowardice" is quite the exaggeration, especially considering there are so many other avenues to vent your feelings about GW.

My main issue, despite spending more in the past few months on GW products than in 15 years, is that it feels like an illusion. I am immensely enjoying AOS, but 40k is still a huge mess and they show little or no desire to fix it by continuing to pump out new factions that, while they might be cool (GSC spring to mind), continue to bloat the game and make it that much more difficult to actually fix things without invalidating them completely.

Being on social media isn't a new or revolutionary thing, and the fact GW is doing it now doesn't excuse the fact that they ignored it for many years. Prices are still stupid high, and the discounts that are available in boxes are nice but only go so far and they still have those ridiculous "web bundles" on the website that save $0. The paints are still too small, but it's nice the textures are now in larger bottles and different sizes. The spray is still ridiculously overpriced, as are the tools (nice as they may be). They still have the one-man shops with nothing indicating expanding back to the how it was before as an actual hub and not a glorified storefront with extras. They put out an FAQ, but really didn't address any of the main issues with the game and made some things worse with outright stupid rulings (see: Drop Pods).

Are they better than a couple years ago? Sure, but they were so bad a few years ago it would be hard for anything to NOT be an improvement. The stuff they are doing now are still several years after they should have been doing it.

Asterios wrote:Not happy with GW changing the base size so not sure what to do with my armies, continue building with old base size or mix and match or put ones already done on new base size?

I say leave them. Why waste all that time to put them on circle bases. If need be just put the circle base under them or leave them as is. You never know when you might need them on square bases again.

Wayniac wrote:My main issue, despite spending more in the past few months on GW products than in 15 years, is that it feels like an illusion. I am immensely enjoying AOS, but 40k is still a huge mess and they show little or no desire to fix it by continuing to pump out new factions that, while they might be cool (GSC spring to mind), continue to bloat the game and make it that much more difficult to actually fix things without invalidating them completely.

Same for me as well. I haven't spend so much money on GW in the last few years like I have since January of 2016. I say it's all smoke and mirrors. Same company still. 40K is still a mess. They had the PERFECT opportunity to improve 40K, but as GW have shown they are the same old same old, especially how they treat CSM players. Really could have shown they have changed and how they would improve what people find lacking and haven't really put any EFFORT into it. Just looks like same GW to squeeze more money from people.

Then add in poor rule writing again in Genestealer Cult codex, nothing has really changed for GW.

Being on social media isn't a new or revolutionary thing, and the fact GW is doing it now doesn't excuse the fact that they ignored it for many years. Prices are still stupid high, and the discounts that are available in boxes are nice but only go so far and they still have those ridiculous "web bundles" on the shop that save $0. The paints are still too small, but it's nice the textures are now in larger bottles and different sizes. The spray is still ridiculously overpriced, as are the tools (nice as they may be). They still have the one-man shops with nothing indicating expanding back to the how it was before as an actual hub and not a glorified storefront with extras. They put out an FAQ, but really didn't address any of the main issues with the game and made some things worse with outright stupid rulings (see: Drop Pods).

Are they better than a couple years ago? Sure, but they were so bad a few years ago it would be hard for anything to NOT be an improvement. The stuff they are doing now are still several years after they should have been doing it.

Well said. Even on social media, I don't see GW really communicating. Maybe I am old school and communication is actual more than a 140 characters and actual conversations. A lot of questions are asked, and most are not answered or "passed down the line" with no answer.

I just can't believe that GW improves a bit and some people think we should be kissing GW arse because they have improved very little bit.

I mean, don't get me wrong I do think GW is improving. A year ago I was very anti-GW. Now I go to the GW store more than the local game store, I haven't played Warmachine in 6 months but I eagerly talk about AOS and am likely going to start 30k soon.

I just think it's silly to gush over how good they are now, because they still aren't good. They are improving slowly, but the key issues where they could improve (i.e. rules and prices outside of start collecting boxes) aren't. For example, you still typically need to get 2 of the same box in 40k to get a second special/heavy weapon; that's ridiculous and feels like you're being mugged. AOS pricing isn't as terrible as it could be, given the size flexibility of the game, but it's not what I would consider "good" either.

Davor wrote:

Being on social media isn't a new or revolutionary thing, and the fact GW is doing it now doesn't excuse the fact that they ignored it for many years. Prices are still stupid high, and the discounts that are available in boxes are nice but only go so far and they still have those ridiculous "web bundles" on the shop that save $0. The paints are still too small, but it's nice the textures are now in larger bottles and different sizes. The spray is still ridiculously overpriced, as are the tools (nice as they may be). They still have the one-man shops with nothing indicating expanding back to the how it was before as an actual hub and not a glorified storefront with extras. They put out an FAQ, but really didn't address any of the main issues with the game and made some things worse with outright stupid rulings (see: Drop Pods).

Are they better than a couple years ago? Sure, but they were so bad a few years ago it would be hard for anything to NOT be an improvement. The stuff they are doing now are still several years after they should have been doing it.

Well said. Even on social media, I don't see GW really communicating. Maybe I am old school and communication is actual more than a 140 characters and actual conversations. A lot of questions are asked, and most are not answered or "passed down the line" with no answer.

I'm curious: Who does a better job on Social Media?

SKR.HH wrote:

Davor wrote:

Being on social media isn't a new or revolutionary thing, and the fact GW is doing it now doesn't excuse the fact that they ignored it for many years. Prices are still stupid high, and the discounts that are available in boxes are nice but only go so far and they still have those ridiculous "web bundles" on the shop that save $0. The paints are still too small, but it's nice the textures are now in larger bottles and different sizes. The spray is still ridiculously overpriced, as are the tools (nice as they may be). They still have the one-man shops with nothing indicating expanding back to the how it was before as an actual hub and not a glorified storefront with extras. They put out an FAQ, but really didn't address any of the main issues with the game and made some things worse with outright stupid rulings (see: Drop Pods).

Are they better than a couple years ago? Sure, but they were so bad a few years ago it would be hard for anything to NOT be an improvement. The stuff they are doing now are still several years after they should have been doing it.

Well said. Even on social media, I don't see GW really communicating. Maybe I am old school and communication is actual more than a 140 characters and actual conversations. A lot of questions are asked, and most are not answered or "passed down the line" with no answer.

I'm curious: Who does a better job on Social Media?

Many people. Here's a Forbes article which lists some:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ilyapozin/2014/03/06/20-companies-you-should-be-following-on-social-media/#214824ac51b3

Notice that for several of them the reasons they are on there is due to actually engaging with their customers beyond just sticking a video teasing their next thing.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

SKR.HH wrote:

Davor wrote:

Being on social media isn't a new or revolutionary thing, and the fact GW is doing it now doesn't excuse the fact that they ignored it for many years. Prices are still stupid high, and the discounts that are available in boxes are nice but only go so far and they still have those ridiculous "web bundles" on the shop that save $0. The paints are still too small, but it's nice the textures are now in larger bottles and different sizes. The spray is still ridiculously overpriced, as are the tools (nice as they may be). They still have the one-man shops with nothing indicating expanding back to the how it was before as an actual hub and not a glorified storefront with extras. They put out an FAQ, but really didn't address any of the main issues with the game and made some things worse with outright stupid rulings (see: Drop Pods).

Are they better than a couple years ago? Sure, but they were so bad a few years ago it would be hard for anything to NOT be an improvement. The stuff they are doing now are still several years after they should have been doing it.

Well said. Even on social media, I don't see GW really communicating. Maybe I am old school and communication is actual more than a 140 characters and actual conversations. A lot of questions are asked, and most are not answered or "passed down the line" with no answer.

I'm curious: Who does a better job on Social Media?

Many people. Here's a Forbes article which lists some:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ilyapozin/2014/03/06/20-companies-you-should-be-following-on-social-media/#214824ac51b3

Notice that for several of them the reasons they are on there is due to actually engaging with their customers beyond just sticking a video teasing their next thing.

I was under the impression that we were comparing companies with similar background. Comparing GW to SpaceX seems ... odd.

G.W. desperately, Desperately need a diversity consultant. The SoS are just another indicator of that.

But I do like the Cult. As well as the mechanicus stuff.

I just wish they would do some kind of Fyreslayer box like the others.

S.Y.

SKR.HH wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

SKR.HH wrote:

Davor wrote:

Being on social media isn't a new or revolutionary thing, and the fact GW is doing it now doesn't excuse the fact that they ignored it for many years. Prices are still stupid high, and the discounts that are available in boxes are nice but only go so far and they still have those ridiculous "web bundles" on the shop that save $0. The paints are still too small, but it's nice the textures are now in larger bottles and different sizes. The spray is still ridiculously overpriced, as are the tools (nice as they may be). They still have the one-man shops with nothing indicating expanding back to the how it was before as an actual hub and not a glorified storefront with extras. They put out an FAQ, but really didn't address any of the main issues with the game and made some things worse with outright stupid rulings (see: Drop Pods).

Are they better than a couple years ago? Sure, but they were so bad a few years ago it would be hard for anything to NOT be an improvement. The stuff they are doing now are still several years after they should have been doing it.

Well said. Even on social media, I don't see GW really communicating. Maybe I am old school and communication is actual more than a 140 characters and actual conversations. A lot of questions are asked, and most are not answered or "passed down the line" with no answer.

I'm curious: Who does a better job on Social Media?

Many people. Here's a Forbes article which lists some:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ilyapozin/2014/03/06/20-companies-you-should-be-following-on-social-media/#214824ac51b3

Notice that for several of them the reasons they are on there is due to actually engaging with their customers beyond just sticking a video teasing their next thing.

I was under the impression that we were comparing companies with similar background. Comparing GW to SpaceX seems ... odd.

It's painfully obvious practically every wargaming company out there does social media better than GW, to not see this is being wilfully ignorant as all are easily looked up.

SKR.HH wrote:

I was under the impression that we were comparing companies with similar background. Comparing GW to SpaceX seems ... odd.

What a company sells shouldn't pose a barrier to how you interact with your customers. If anything SpaceX is so far ahead of GW as they have thousands to millions of people interested in their products despite the fact that the vast majority of those people are never going to be able to use those products themselves. GW often struggles to makes people who actually buy their stuff excited about their stuff.

Think of how many people would be interested in seeing little snippet videos of GW staff designing models, or the production process, or the single playtester crying helplessly into their hands that nobody ever listens to them?

GW is a bit unique among wargaming companies in that there are an unusually large number of people that really, really hate them.

While I agree that their detachment from social media is odd in this day and age, it's also fairly understandable. let's be honest, who among us would want to try to be a social media rep for GW?

The local stores have their own FB presence, with videos, pictures, events, etc.

But they earnt that hate and pretending it doesn't exist just feeds it, they need to rebuild bridges with ex GW customers or they'll continue to bash AoS and 40k when they come up.

Customers are your best recruiters, ex customers your worst enemy when you rely on word of mouth.

hobojebus wrote:
But they earnt that hate and pretending it doesn't exist just feeds it, they need to rebuild bridges with ex GW customers or they'll continue to bash AoS and 40k when they come up.

Customers are your best recruiters, ex customers your worst enemy when you rely on word of mouth.

Only if at some point, the ex-customers start buying and recruiting again. Look at this thread, and see some of the people's demands for GW getting better... I don't see it happening.

Like I said, GW is somewhat uniquely indifferent to social media, but also uniquely disliked. There's no value to open comments if it's nothing but complaints about prices and demands to bring back squats.

It would take a really ambitious effort, and plenty of people willing to deal with it.

 Polonius wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
But they earnt that hate and pretending it doesn't exist just feeds it, they need to rebuild bridges with ex GW customers or they'll continue to bash AoS and 40k when they come up.

Customers are your best recruiters, ex customers your worst enemy when you rely on word of mouth.

Only if at some point, the ex-customers start buying and recruiting again. Look at this thread, and see some of the people's demands for GW getting better... I don't see it happening.

Like I said, GW is somewhat uniquely indifferent to social media, but also uniquely disliked. There's no value to open comments if it's nothing but complaints about prices and demands to bring back squats.

It would take a really ambitious effort, and plenty of people willing to deal with it.

GW are not anywhere near uniquely disliked.

If United Airlines can continue to operate a social media presence after losing a 10 year old kid on a flight and the inevitable gakstorm that came their way because of it, then I'm sure GW can manage.

I don't know what social media you guys are reading. They solicit questions from FB for FAQs, they answer comments and private messages on FB (even rules questions), they film daily painting videos based on requests from the community, they ran a live streamed tournament from Warhammer World with commentary where they had GW employees answering chat questions live on stream... I'm assuming people condemning their social media presence simply missed all these things?

 Mymearan wrote:
I don't know what social media you guys are reading. They solicit questions from FB for FAQs, they answer comments and private messages on FB (even rules questions), they film daily painting videos based on requests from the community, they ran a live streamed tournament with commentary where they had GW employees answering chat questions live on stream... I'm assuming people condemning their social media presence simply missed all these things?

I think people find the lack of ability to comment unusual.


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 A Town Called Malus wrote:

GW are not anywhere near uniquely disliked.

If United Airlines can continue to operate a social media presence after losing a 10 year old kid on a flight and the inevitable gakstorm that came their way because of it, then I'm sure GW can manage.

Sure, but I think you can agree that community engagement would be a pretty major task, right?

 Polonius wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
I don't know what social media you guys are reading. They solicit questions from FB for FAQs, they answer comments and private messages on FB (even rules questions), they film daily painting videos based on requests from the community, they ran a live streamed tournament with commentary where they had GW employees answering chat questions live on stream... I'm assuming people condemning their social media presence simply missed all these things?

I think people find the lack of ability to comment unusual.

That's it? Disabling YouTube comments cancels out everything I listed? Pretty selective criticism if so.

hobojebus wrote:
Not having comments on is a universally recognized sign of cowardice, They don't really want to hear honest feedback on their products they just want fanboys to kiss their tucas.

Echo chambers are bad look what happened under Kirby he filled the company with yes men and no one spoke up against bad ideas.

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Absolutely agree with this. Even I take surveys to see what can be improved on within my holdings.

As Stated before. Until Kirby is completely gone from the company it will be business as usual in using the company as a ATM machine and therefore the same BS continues. Just done with different talking heads.

It's a good time to be a fan of Games Workshop products.

However, they're screwing over Australians and Kiwis with their prices, though.

Why would I agree that GW is better? Forgetting the terrible mess of 40K and its rules for a moment (which have yet to be fixed - awaiting the rumoured 8th ed but will that actually fix the game?) and just looking at the codex for my army what do I see?

I play tyranids (not GSC) and my last codex was a garbage product mainly copy pasted from the previous garbage codex. Then updates, many which are poor, spread all over the place. We haven't seen a 7th edition tyranid dex to clean up the army (putting all the rules in one place) and overhauling the army/dex so that most units/biomorphs are decent options) even though it is desperately needed. An errata could easily fix many issues until such time as another dex came out - yet nothng for years. If over the last year GW actually is getting better then an errata (a real errata) for nids (and others) would be one of the simplest things as a start in the right direction - hasn't happened.

Tyranids have had a poor codex since 2010 - shouldn't that be a red flag to correct? GSC is great for those that love stealers and the cult but that is not tyranids. If GW wants me to see that they are getting better then actually do something about the real problems - overhaul 40K and put real effort into fixing and updating armies. With better 40k rules and a better internally and externally balanced dex (not perfect but reasonably balanced), then I may see GW as getting better and they may convince me to buy from them again.

The hobby is buying games workshop products. Decent rules are not a priority for the company.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
The hobby is buying games workshop products. Decent rules are not a priority for the company.

No. But the hobby is not playing WH40K (competitively) either.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
The hobby is buying games workshop products. Decent rules are not a priority for the company.

Sadly, this is still true. Things like Stormcloud Assault and the other boxed game give you phoned-in rules to play with their models - they are NOT the driving force beyond pushing the models. And even their "discounts" on things like the Start Collecting boxes still make their models too pricey - just no longer absurdly so.

GW seems to be trying to slowly rise out of the muck, but so far only their forehead is sticking out, and everybody's been writing ugly graffiti on that forehead, or still angy enough to try and stomp them back under the quicksand. It's going to take them some time and a lot more hard work to win back a lot of their customer base - if they even truly have a chance of winning them back at this point.

 Stormonu wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
The hobby is buying games workshop products. Decent rules are not a priority for the company.

Sadly, this is still true. Things like Stormcloud Assault and the other boxed game give you phoned-in rules to play with their models - they are NOT the driving force beyond pushing the models. And even their "discounts" on things like the Start Collecting boxes still make their models too pricey - just no longer absurdly so.

GW seems to be trying to slowly rise out of the muck, but so far only their forehead is sticking out, and everybody's been writing ugly graffiti on that forehead, or still angy enough to try and stomp them back under the quicksand. It's going to take them some time and a lot more hard work to win back a lot of their customer base - if they even truly have a chance of winning them back at this point.

I feel they are setting themselves up to basically grow a new generation of gamers for their products and that their throwback stuff has been heavily influenced around keeping the company afloat while they realign. I think they don't expect to grab back the super disenfranchised gamers (we've all seen examples of the unreasonable levels they'd have to go to get even a lot of people in this thread back). And honestly I don't think they need to. They can just outbreed them with new hobbyists if they do it right. We'll see how it goes but this feels like the direction they are heading. Especially when you look at what they've done with one of their two flagship games. You can get a Tournament level force built for AoS (2kpts) for less than $300 for most of the new factions either before or after discount. That's pretty huge for them. It's something we haven't seen in over a decade or so from them honestly.

But so much rests on what they do with 40k for 8th edition. I feel like a lot of AoS was a test bed for how to move forward with 40k for 8th and it did do a lot of things right (outside of points not being there on release).

Mymearan wrote:I don't know what social media you guys are reading. They solicit questions from FB for FAQs, they answer comments and private messages on FB (even rules questions),

And they are unofficial. It's been over a month now that they have asked all those First Draft questions. How come non of them become official yet? So no, they are not answering any FAQ questions at all. Just because Facebook told me, will not cut it for most people.

they film daily painting videos based on requests from the community, they ran a live streamed tournament from Warhammer World with commentary where they had GW employees answering chat questions live on stream... I'm assuming people condemning their social media presence simply missed all these things?

Part of social media is socialising isn't it? How come nobody can make comments as was said before? I like how you deflect that comment without answering what someone said. As for answering questions on a stream, it doesn't make everything go away that they still haven't done and keep continuing doing? GW burnt a lot of bridges down now. All they are doing is putting up a tight rope bridge. Still a long ways of building a proper bridge and GW needs to make an effort. So far their effort is proof in the pudding. 40K rules are still crap, they just released something for CSM and BA and GW did basically nothing to make that army great with excitement to play. GW is doing very little. Smoke and mirrors my friend, smoke and mirrors. If anything GW is giving the illusion of change.

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:The hobby is buying games workshop products. Decent rules are not a priority for the company.

Sarcasm or serious?

Davor, have you tried to engage with the Facebook pages or Twitter? I have had rules queries answered on Facebook. I have engaged directly with the designer of Warhammer quest on twitter. I have asked question about miniature design and and had them answered.
YouTube comments are absolutely the worst place to have any kind of meaningful discussion. Facebook is moderated but I have seen posts complaining about prices or the killing of warhammer and they have not been taken down so long as the language is not nasty.

The changes that are happening at GW are a work in progress. There is still a long way to go.
A good example is bloodbowl. The specialist games stuff was one of Rountree's first decisions as ceo. They made it as fast as possible and it is only coming out now.
Would you want them to rush the next edition of 40k? Much better that they really take their time and make something special.
The unfortunate side effect of this is that we are going to get a certain amount of filler in the mean time.

The new 40k will absolutely be the litmus test for the new look gw. It could cement the new and improved image of gw or it could put their reputation right back in the gutter.

In terms of the massive pricing problem, the latest rumours from miniwars.eu sound encouraging. There will most likely be another black friday sale this year. They are also doing a range of start collecting premuim boxes, which will be bigger boxes with more minis and a similar percentage discount.

I don't think a single person on this thread has said that Gw models are cheap, or the social media is best in class, or the rules are amazing but they are gradually getting better in all those regards.

I got out of the hobby about ten years ago because I didn't see a future for gw. I am back in it again because I do see a future now.

Chikout wrote:
Davor, have you tried to engage with the Facebook pages or Twitter? I have had rules queries answered on Facebook. I have engaged directly with the designer of Warhammer quest on twitter. I have asked question about miniature design and and had them answered.
YouTube comments are absolutely the worst place to have any kind of meaningful discussion. Facebook is moderated but I have seen posts complaining about prices or the killing of warhammer and they have not been taken down so long as the language is not nasty.

No I don't. Just went by what I read here. I keep reading how GW deletes a lot of posts so it seems more censoring just like GW of old. Since I don't have first hand experience I will say I am wrong, and will believe you then. This is really good to know. I will not use this argument no more.

The changes that are happening at GW are a work in progress. There is still a long way to go.

A good example is bloodbowl. The specialist games stuff was one of Rountree's first decisions as ceo. They made it as fast as possible and it is only coming out now.
Would you want them to rush the next edition of 40k? Much better that they really take their time and make something special.
The unfortunate side effect of this is that we are going to get a certain amount of filler in the mean time.

The new 40k will absolutely be the litmus test for the new look gw. It could cement the new and improved image of gw or it could put their reputation right back in the gutter.

Correct once again.

In terms of the massive pricing problem, the latest rumours from miniwars.eu sound encouraging. There will most likely be another black friday sale this year. They are also doing a range of start collecting premuim boxes, which will be bigger boxes with more minis and a similar percentage discount.

I really hope not. I rather have all models at a great price, not just sales or start collecting boxes. I already bought like 3 or 4 start getting boxes then realized I am back to square one when I want to expand from there.

I don't think a single person on this thread has said that Gw models are cheap, or the social media is best in class, or the rules are amazing but they are gradually getting better in all those regards.

Some of the way I have read the comments some people seem to place the blame or burden on us just because GW has changed a little bit, so that gets us more defensive having to defend our opinions on why we feel we do.

I got out of the hobby about ten years ago because I didn't see a future for gw. I am back in it again because I do see a future now.

I stopped a few years ago. The purchases I made since January 2016 till now is the most I have spent in years. So I do appreciate the changes GW are making. Sadly I just think it's an illusion, smoke and mirrors. Smoke and mirrors or not, eventually the smoke will clear and GW real colours will show. Until then I am enjoying the ride now and let time will tell if I am correct or not. Hoping I am wrong. Liked reading this post, will try and be less sour/negative now.

 Hulksmash wrote:


Sadly, this is still true. Things like Stormcloud Assault and the other boxed game give you phoned-in rules to play with their models - they are NOT the driving force beyond pushing the models. And even their "discounts" on things like the Start Collecting boxes still make their models too pricey - just no longer absurdly so.

Yup, these new standalone games seem to be purely a way to sell discounted models, rather than an attempt to make a good game.

I feel they are setting themselves up to basically grow a new generation of gamers for their products and that their throwback stuff has been heavily influenced around keeping the company afloat while they realign. I think they don't expect to grab back the super disenfranchised gamers (we've all seen examples of the unreasonable levels they'd have to go to get even a lot of people in this thread back). And honestly I don't think they need to. They can just outbreed them with new hobbyists if they do it right. We'll see how it goes but this feels like the direction they are heading. Especially when you look at what they've done with one of their two flagship games.

The throwback games are a sure-fire thing to get money from lapsed hobbyists - apparently when Space Hulk relaunched the stores were innundated with old gamers asking about it, only to be told that it was sold out. WHQ and Blood Bowl will be the same - loads of folk who don't play mini's games anymore will probably pick them up, because they remember playing them as a teenager.

I'm not sure how they are positioning themselves to target a new generation of gamers - their stores are moving to more obscure locations, they aren't actually advertising, their prices are still high. It's more likely now that people will be introduced to gaming though other games, which really hurts GW's main advantage.

You can get a Tournament level force built for AoS (2kpts) for less than $300 for most of the new factions either before or after discount. That's pretty huge for them. It's something we haven't seen in over a decade or so from them honestly.

When you can get a Tournament level force built for many other, better, games for $100-200, AoS is still a long way from being competitive in the market.

But so much rests on what they do with 40k for 8th edition. I feel like a lot of AoS was a test bed for how to move forward with 40k for 8th and it did do a lot of things right (outside of points not being there on release).

Definitely. 40K really needs an actual overhaul, and with AoS, GW should now have a pretty good grasp of how not to do it. I'm hopeful for it, but unless it's better than Bolt Action, I'm not getting back in.

Davor wrote:

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:The hobby is buying games workshop products. Decent rules are not a priority for the company.

Sarcasm or serious?

The company said itself that the hobby was buying GW products. Their rules speak for themselves.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Davor wrote:

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:The hobby is buying games workshop products. Decent rules are not a priority for the company.

Sarcasm or serious?

The company said itself that the hobby was buying GW products. Their rules speak for themselves.

Serious then. I know that was so stupid one of the reasons why I stopped buying. You going to publicly make us look like fools and idiots why bother having me as a customer then. No respect at all. I never seen a company have so much disdain for their customers. No wonder they don't make as much money as they did before.