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I don't find it as bad in MCP and Shatterpoint personally. Those games both have a fair number of cards, but since there's no duplicates I don't find it nearly as problematic. This is particularly true with MCP after they purged most of the generic cards and moved to a more character/affiliation locked design.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
FWIW, managing upgrade cards is easily my biggest Legion deterrent currently. I just find finding and storing multiple copies of upgrade cards every time I want to change a list incredibly cumbersome.

Which is why I'm not buying into another AMG/FFG style game.
I feel I'm storing as many cards as I did when I played MtG. Not to mention it brings in so many gotcha moments in games.

I love the SW Legion minis, so now I use them with the Xenos Rampant rules. I'm having far more enjoyable games.

I feel similarly. I enjoyed my foray into Runewars and I did collect a complete IA, but I'm very much over the card-heavy play. In hindsight it's probably good for me that Legion changed scale and gave me an excuse to get off the merry-go-round.

How is Xenos Rampant working out for you? My son and I have acquired a bunch of the WOtC SW minis (enough to have Droid and Clone armies) and are looking at using some of the fan-created lists for Grimdark Future as a way to possibly get them on the table. I like Dragon Rampant, but I'm wondering if Grimdark might be the best path for pulpy sci-fantasy battles.

We do have a solid group of Legion players in our club, but the reason they struggle to attract new players is more a question of game support by AMG/FFG. Our local store really has difficulties to get new boxes of popular miniatures (if they're still available at all), and then there's the matter of Shatterpoint that is felt as a replacement for Legion in long term. Since scale is different, you can't even use their miniatures for Legion if you want to find some you can't have because stock is out...

Basically, it's not really a question of the game or the miniatures being good or not. It's more a question of trust in AMG/FFG, that has an infamous history of dropping / stop supporting their good games for pure greed and don't care at all about their faithful players. They're even lower than GW on that matter in terms of reputation, I feel.

Sarouan wrote:

Basically, it's not really a question of the game or the miniatures being good or not. It's more a question of trust in AMG/FFG, that has an infamous history of dropping / stop supporting their good games for pure greed and don't care at all about their faithful players. They're even lower than GW on that matter in terms of reputation, I feel.

I wonder if this is a factor for other folks as well. The FFG/AMG reputation for dropping games (Runewars, Dust, Battlelore etc) is well established. I was aware of it enough that when I bought into Runewars that I fully expected that the game would die in a couple years (it did) and I only bought in because I was able to secure some great deals on figures and I liked the figures enough to know I'd want to use them in other games afterwards.