GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement

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**Chikout**

Athrawes over on the bolter and chainsword forums has painted up the Ahriman model he got. It is a rather nice paintjob.

**jah-joshua**

very cool sculpt!!!
you are on fire today, Chikout

i can't wait to paint some little duels between Heresy T.Sons and wolves...

cheers
jah

**Orthon**

The new CSM build (1820 points):

-The Lost and the Damned (apostle w/9x cultists w/flamers)
-Heldrake terror pack 4x heldrake
-15x nurgle spawn

Codex cultist, heldrake, & spawn is alive and well!

**oldzoggy**

What is the spwan one ?

**fearzffs**

Orthon wrote:
The new CSM build (1820 points):

-The Lost and the Damned (apostle w/9x cultists w/flamers)
-Heldrake terror pack 4x heldrake
-15x nurgle spawn

Codex cultist, heldrake, & spawn is alive and well!

nah an airsuperiority detachment is better with 2 heldrakes the spawns are a must and the lost and the damned. And with the points to spare guess what Sorcerers cabal !
Yes !

**hordrak**

At least CSM got a decent decurion. A nice and flexible core, some nice aux formations, detatchment bonuses that are somewhat usefull more often than not. Looking at my Ghazcuroon, looking back at this one... I never thought I'd say that, but I envy CSM players a little.

**MajorWesJanson**

hordrak wrote:
At least CSM got a decent decurion. A nice and flexible core, some nice aux formations, detatchment bonuses that are somewhat usefull more often than not. Looking at my Ghazcuroon, looking back at this one... I never thought I'd say that, but I envy CSM players a little.

The CSM ones have some strong possibilities, and a mix of fluff themed potential and chaos versions of loyalist formations. Not brokenly strong, like the free transports of the SM, or Eldar, but those are too strong and need toned back instead.

If only IG, Orks, and Dark Eldar had formations like this.

**Gamgee**

Don't even tease me about Dark Eldar formations this good. The coolest news I heard was the Frontline guys saying a reliable source knew about plans for the DE its on one of their episodes from quite awhile ago.

Something about most DE weapons adding blind and all sorts of cool stuff. People on the internet called BS since they thought it was a new codex, but it sounded like it was formation benefits.

I sure hope that happens. Any plans for Eldar/DE/Harlie campaign books any time soon Sad Panda?

**Chikout**

jah-joshua wrote:
very cool sculpt!!!
you are on fire today, Chikout

i can't wait to paint some little duels between Heresy T.Sons and wolves...

cheers
jah

Too kind. The benefits of a boring job. I will be leaking nx info later. Sad panda's got nothing on some random guy braving the depths of the Internet from an office in Japan.
On topic, any info on the contents of those ba bundles?

**Warhams-77**

I would like to hear your opinions on combining Crimson Slaughter with it. This is currently topic in a discussion on a german forum.

If it should go into YMDC please say so. But I'm not sure this is actually a thing.

Can 'Crimson Slaughter units' be used in conjuction with a Black Crusade detachment? Are effects cummulative?

**aracersss**

... regarding the termi formation;

From one point of view, it seems as if the rules just indicates what happens the moment they arrive from DS, other than it has to perform one to gain the extra shooting attack, but on second thought, how would you address subsequent free shooting attacks, if the clause allowing it occurs during DS deployment

... in other words do you have to DS again to benefit from the next free shooting attack?

**Gamgee**

I would highly doubt that. Each detachment would get its own rules. The RIptide wing doesn't benefit from the rules of the FSE or Tau decurions since its just its own formation.

If that were true it would make space marines even more obnoxious when the FAQ's are trying to tone down their super friends deathstars.

**Matt.Kingsley**

The difference there is the the FSE and Tau decurions are specific detachments.

The Crimson Slaughter benefits are like the generic FSE benefits, you name a detachment as being CS and get the CS bonuses on top of those of the Detachment (like FSE and their Crisis Suit troops).

However I don't think you can make a Black Crusade detachment a CS detachment, since one gives you free VotLW upgrades and the other makes it so you can't have any units with VotLW. I don't see anything stopping you from taking one of the Traitor's Hate Formations outside of a Black Crusade Detachment and making it CS.

**Gamgee**

Hmm interesting.

**Caederes**

Gotta admit, this is nice stuff for Chaos Space Marines. I'm curious about how many unique powers they are getting as it looks they have at least one each per discipline that Loyalists won't get. Now they just need to update the actual codex itself and a good chunk of the model range.

**Warhams-77**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The difference there is the the FSE and Tau decurions are specific detachments.

The Crimson Slaughter benefits are like the generic FSE benefits, you name a detachment as being CS and get the CS bonuses on top of those of the Detachment (like FSE and their Crisis Suit troops).

However I don't think you can make a Black Crusade detachment a CS detachment, since one gives you free VotLW upgrades and the other makes it so you can't have any units with VotLW. I don't see anything stopping you from taking one of the Traitor's Hate Formations outside of a Black Crusade Detachment and making it CS.

Thanks, Matt

**Sgt. Cortez**

Hmm, the favoured of Chaos formation taken as Crimson slaughter makes possessed actually pretty viable. You'll have 3 squads of possessed with shrouded, beast, rending and 3++.

**Motograter**

Considering the crimson slaughter are leading the csm from book 1 I cant see why crimson slaughter rules cant be applied. Though it is gw and chaos so massive oversights are to be expected

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Caederes wrote:
Gotta admit, this is nice stuff for Chaos Space Marines. I'm curious about how many unique powers they are getting as it looks they have at least one each per discipline that Loyalists won't get. Now they just need to update the actual codex itself and a good chunk of the model range.

Lol and the rest

**GrafWattenburg**

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Hmm, the favoured of Chaos formation taken as Crimson slaughter makes possessed actually pretty viable. You'll have 3 squads of possessed with shrouded, beast, rending and 3++.

You receive the bonus in the fight phase, so Shrouded and Beast won't do you much good. So no, GW has STILL not managed selling us Possessed

**Red__Thirst**

Not to derail the topic from the current CSM offerings, which I'm pleased to see by the way, but has anyone reported on the recent Blood Angels offerings regarding the Traitor's Hate campaign?

Namely the reported Angel's Blade

From BOLS - Grot Orderly on Sept. 05 2016:
“So this week we will hear about the next week’s new Supplement for Blood Angels, called Angel’s Blade. It will involve Chaos Space Marines invasion on some planet (of course). 9 new formations, 2 new detachments as well as Death Company relics and tactical objectives, wargear upgrades and 3 new missions to top it all of.
New Blood Angel Termie Captain DC Chaplain and updates to Assault and Devastator squads.

Angels’ Blade (supplement) – 30GBP / 39EUR
BA Death Company Strike Force – 80GBP / 105EUR
BA Archangels Orbital Intervention Force – 80GBP / 100EUR
BA Chapter Ancients – 65GBP / 80EUR

We will also get new boxes for Blood Angels Vanguard, Assault, Sternguard and Company Command.”

I for one am curious to see if any of these rumors come to pass. I really hope they give BA a functioning decurion similar to what Chaos is getting/has gotten with the Traitor's Hate book. It would be nice to be on at least closer to equal footing to both SM and DA at some point in the near future.

Based on what this is saying, and the rumor blurbs released on facebook yesterday:

It seems Death Company may play a larger role in these formations.

Looking forward to seeing more on this. Has anyone else heard anything regarding BA in the coming weeks?

Thanks, & take it easy for now.

-Red__Thirst-

**Warhams-77**

This is probably ruled at the beginning of the BC section of the book. Are BC rules defined as an update to Codex: CSM or a supplement like CS and BL?

CS 2016:

I guess it is possible to stack these boni but we cannot be sure until we saw if the first page and the Relics and Warlord Traits pages say otherwise. Some armies have 'separate branches' of army building and effects cannot be combined. Orks, Sanctus Reach, the Ghazghkull supp and FW's Dreadmob list for example. That CS ruling is quite a new thing. I was told in case of Angels of Death and one of the SM supplements GW faq'ed a similiar issue so it cannot be combined.

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@Red_Thirst The official GW email to retailers was posted a few pages back by Mongoose.Matt

Let me find it

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MongooseMatt

Retailers have just got this on Angel's Blade:

A 136 page Warhammer 40.000 campaign supplement and update to the Codex: Blood Angels, detailing a Chaos Space Marine invasion of the Diamor System at the beginning of Abaddon’s 13th Black Crusade, from the Blood Angels perspective. This book contains lots of new rules to be used alongside the Blood Angels Codex. It contains 9 new formations and 2 powerful new Detachments, Death Company Relics, Death Company Tactical Objectives, revised Wargear of Baal section, 3 new Altar of War missions, new datasheets for the Blood Angel Terminator Captain, Death Company Chaplain and updated datasheets of the Assault Squad and Devastator Squad.

Will be £30.

Other Stuff:

B.A. Vanguard Veteran Squad £ 28.00
B.A. Assault Squad £ 28.00
B.A. Sternguard Veteran Squad £ 33.00
B.A. Company Command £ 28.00
B.A. Death Company Strike Force £ 80.00
B.A. Archangels Orbital Intervention Force £ 80.00
B.A. Chapter Ancients £ 65.00

Everything is 'Available while in demand'.

**godardc**

Why do we have Traitor's Hate before Fenris Part II ? Was something released between Leviathan and Exterminatus ? Kauyon and Montka ?

**Red__Thirst**

Ah I missed it then, saw it had been posted yesterday on BoLS but didn't go far enough back in the thread here. My bad.

With all the cool new stuff coming out for Chaos I'm cautiously optimistic to see what BA get with these formations, and detachments.

Also, and this is wishful thinking on the order of magnitude, but I'm hoping these updated datasheets for Assault & Devastator squads give access to Evicerators for assault marines, and Grav Cannons + Amps for the Devastators.

The pure wishlister in me hopes that BA devastators will get Frag Cannons as an option... Man oh man I'd field Blood Angels Devastators armed with frag cannons all day, every day, and twice on Sundays.

Guess we'll see what we can see later on in the coming week.

Take it easy for now.

-Red__Thirst-

**Matt.Kingsley**

@godardc:
Nope there was not.

(well, besides related campaign box sets)

**Runic**

Mediocre stuff all in all, if compared to the most powerful things in the game.

A buff though, sure.

Here's hoping Typhus turns the Lost & Damned -formation Cultists into Plague Zombies like his rule clearly states he does.

Then we'd have 4+ respawning Plague Zombies with Outflank.

**godardc**

I do think Leviathan / Exterminatus was a missed opportunity. Blood Angels should have been fixed in those books, and shouldn't have a book AGAIN.
But if Traitor's Hate can help, it still a win, I guess.

**Red__Thirst**

godardc wrote:
Why do we have Traitor's Hate before Fenris Part II ? Was something released between Leviathan and Exterminatus ? Kauyon and Montka ?

I was wondering this myself, and I see Matt's reply just above (after clicking the quote button) which answers the question. I expect they'll release it at some point before the end of the year, but who knows how soon.

It's not nearly as bad as in years past, but the old mantra of 'hurry up and wait' still holds some truth to it.

Also, thanks to Matt for the quick reply to the question.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

**Warhams-77**

No problem, Red_Thirst, it is worth reposting anyway

Fingers-crossed for a good BA update - they deserve a decurion. It looks like they will get two actually, so there is a good chance these will make the army better.

**Charax**

oldzoggy wrote:
What is the spwan one ?

The Spawn one is "You get to take some spawn, yay". no special rules

**Mymearan**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
hordrak wrote:
At least CSM got a decent decurion. A nice and flexible core, some nice aux formations, detatchment bonuses that are somewhat usefull more often than not. Looking at my Ghazcuroon, looking back at this one... I never thought I'd say that, but I envy CSM players a little.

The CSM ones have some strong possibilities, and a mix of fluff themed potential and chaos versions of loyalist formations. Not brokenly strong, like the free transports of the SM, or Eldar, but those are too strong and need toned back instead.

If only IG, Orks, and Dark Eldar had formations like this.

What's broken about the Eldar decurion? Most people don't even use it. The Aspect Shrine is a bit bonkers but that's it.