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Kinda sad you have to play at least 2000pts to use the demon decurion.

I don't know why demon formations always have to be so big who would want to buy so many of the same unit.

nagash42 wrote:
Kinda sad you have to play at least 2000pts to use the demon decurion.

I don't know why demon formations always have to be so big who would want to buy so many of the same unit.

GW who else?

Here's the winner:

IRONWOLVES

1 Wolf Lord/WGBL

0-1 WG/WGTermis

2-3 BC

3-5 GH/Land Speeders

1-2 Long Fangs

0-1 Scouts

0-2 Lone Wolves

All units can disembark even if the vehicle moved 12 inches

All weapons and wargear is free

All vehicles move 6 inches more when moving flat out, enemies tankshocked get a -2 penalty on their leadership

Have we received any info on whether or not Skarbrand got updated rules?

His rules have remained the same.

 pretre wrote:
Here's the winner:

IRONWOLVES

1 Wolf Lord/WGBL

0-1 WG/WGTermis

2-3 BC

3-5 GH/Land Speeders

1-2 Long Fangs

0-1 Scouts

0-2 Lone Wolves

All units can disembark even if the vehicle moved 12 inches

All weapons and wargear is free

All vehicles move 6 inches more when moving flat out, enemies tankshocked get a -2 penalty on their leadership

Can't even lie, SW will be seeing a few land speeder spams especially HB/missile squads over GH. Also LRC/LRR with BC spams and Wulfen galore.

 pretre wrote:
Here's the winner:

IRONWOLVES

1 Wolf Lord/WGBL

0-1 WG/WGTermis

2-3 BC

3-5 GH/Land Speeders

1-2 Long Fangs

0-1 Scouts

0-2 Lone Wolves

All units can disembark even if the vehicle moved 12 inches

All weapons and wargear is free

All vehicles move 6 inches more when moving flat out, enemies tankshocked get a -2 penalty on their leadership

I don't believe its "all weapons and wargear is free", but rather all vehicle upgrades/weapons/etc... are free. BIG potential difference. :-p

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Here's the winner:

IRONWOLVES

1 Wolf Lord/WGBL

0-1 WG/WGTermis

2-3 BC

3-5 GH/Land Speeders

1-2 Long Fangs

0-1 Scouts

0-2 Lone Wolves

All units can disembark even if the vehicle moved 12 inches

All weapons and wargear is free

All vehicles move 6 inches more when moving flat out, enemies tankshocked get a -2 penalty on their leadership

I don't believe its "all weapons and wargear is free", but rather all vehicle upgrades/weapons/etc... are free. BIG potential difference. :-p

I know, but it is still the winner. Free RB upgrades, free LS upgrades, etc. are pretty awesome. Even the Stormwolf is better if you get all free upgrades.

Yeah, there really isnt anything remotely comparable to the 7th edition codexes for SW. The best they can get is the Ironwolves and ironically the most UNwolfy thing possible gets the boost, a land speeder. All the other formations/bonuses are a big whiff. The iron priest gaining a wound for 20 pts will just make more people take wolfstars with more IPs- which is in no way good for Space Wolves as a faction.


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50 pt landspeeder with Meltas/CML I would think will be the norm, in addition to razorbacks with LAS/PLAS and a hunter killer missile on top. It is the best you can get out of this. I would think now instead of just a giant wolfstar, you will have min sized squads which fit into razorbacks and landspeeders backed up by as many thunderwolves/IPs on TWC you can get- not what I think of when I read the Black Library books.

So I notice that every other Games Workshop webpage has the pre-orders up except for the United States. What's up with that?

 Quarterdime wrote:
So I notice that every other Games Workshop webpage has the pre-orders up except for the United States. What's up with that?

It goes up based on local time. The US would be in the last timezone (NZ being in the first).

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
So I notice that every other Games Workshop webpage has the pre-orders up except for the United States. What's up with that?

It goes up based on local time. The US would be in the last timezone (NZ being in the first).

Aaaaaand, it's up.

So whats the Soul Grinder formation?

Luchiban,

Can you give details on the soulgrinder formation? It wasn't leaked in the video pictures.

Also can you give the exact wording on now the new demon relics are taken? Can models have more than one relic? Who has access to them?

Also, if your feeling generous, what are the different god's warlord traits?

Iuchiban wrote:


Models that are able to purchase Rewards, can purchase an (and only one) Artifact as well for the point cost.

Daemon Decurión is:
Basic 1+
Command:0-4
Aux: 1+

Basic: Murderhorde, Warpflame host, Tallyband, Flayertroupe
Command: 1 Daemon Lord (Great Daemons or DP), Infernal Tetrad
Aux: The rest of the formations

Oh sorry. I even read that post earlier. It's interesting that it's *any* rewards, and *as well*. Looks like you can have a demon relic and a new relic

Okay so just the soul grinder formation

And the warlord traits and tactical objectives were missing then?

Are the new Psychic powers available to all Daemons or only ones from the Curse of the Wulfen formations?

Champions of fenris pack rules please??

Also, is Forgehost the only Aux choice or are there other non-Formation ones?

sturguard wrote:
Yeah, there really isnt anything remotely comparable to the 7th edition codexes for SW. The best they can get is the Ironwolves and ironically the most UNwolfy thing possible gets the boost, a land speeder. All the other formations/bonuses are a big whiff. The iron priest gaining a wound for 20 pts will just make more people take wolfstars with more IPs- which is in no way good for Space Wolves as a faction.


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50 pt landspeeder with Meltas/CML I would think will be the norm, in addition to razorbacks with LAS/PLAS and a hunter killer missile on top. It is the best you can get out of this. I would think now instead of just a giant wolfstar, you will have min sized squads which fit into razorbacks and landspeeders backed up by as many thunderwolves/IPs on TWC you can get- not what I think of when I read the Black Library books.

That's what I have been running for a while, either drop wolves or razorwolves with TWC. Goes all the way back to razorspam in 5th.

One last question - are the Daemon artifacts only for Daemons in the formations or for any Daemons?

 pretre wrote:

sturguard wrote:
Yeah, there really isnt anything remotely comparable to the 7th edition codexes for SW. The best they can get is the Ironwolves and ironically the most UNwolfy thing possible gets the boost, a land speeder. All the other formations/bonuses are a big whiff. The iron priest gaining a wound for 20 pts will just make more people take wolfstars with more IPs- which is in no way good for Space Wolves as a faction.


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50 pt landspeeder with Meltas/CML I would think will be the norm, in addition to razorbacks with LAS/PLAS and a hunter killer missile on top. It is the best you can get out of this. I would think now instead of just a giant wolfstar, you will have min sized squads which fit into razorbacks and landspeeders backed up by as many thunderwolves/IPs on TWC you can get- not what I think of when I read the Black Library books.

That's what I have been running for a while, either drop wolves or razorwolves with TWC. Goes all the way back to razorspam in 5th.

I guess in some ways GW did me a favor, I don't have to spend any money on this release at all (and that is coming from a guy who started Space Wolves in the early 90s). I have 3 speeders that have been collecting dust because they are loaded with AC and MM and were so expensive I could never justify using them. I have 2 Razorbacks, a rhino and 5 pods. No blood claws, but I will use my GH's as count as BCs. One unit of Thunderwolves. and who knows what else to fill it out. What is the Murderfang formation? Isnt it just 1 Murderfang- can he be in a pod? I have 3 dreads (one of every edition, metal, first SM venerable plastic and the new SW one), if I could get them on the board, that is good too. I dont think I will purchase the books as I will just be using that one formation, and I think I will buy just the one box of wulfen for parts and make more of a 30k version with forge worlds help. I already have 10 metal ones painted, they are easy to cut hands off and I can simply add the new thunderhammer/storm shield combo or ice claws.

Sigh. What were GW thinking. ARHGGGG!

Why didn't they bring the dreadnoughts in line with the SM's. I don't understand. We have the best CC dreadnought in the game with the axe/shield and it is barely playable with 2 measly attacks. But the SM dreadnought attacks 4 times... Seriously, what the hell?

Rasko wrote:
Sigh. What were GW thinking. ARHGGGG!

Why didn't they bring the dreadnoughts in line with the SM's. I don't understand. We have the best CC dreadnought in the game with the axe/shield and it is barely playable with 2 measly attacks. But the SM dreadnought attacks 4 times... Seriously, what the hell?

Isn't the whole idea of swapping a second close combat weapon for a shield exactly that?

 Quarterdime wrote:

Rasko wrote:
Sigh. What were GW thinking. ARHGGGG!

Why didn't they bring the dreadnoughts in line with the SM's. I don't understand. We have the best CC dreadnought in the game with the axe/shield and it is barely playable with 2 measly attacks. But the SM dreadnought attacks 4 times... Seriously, what the hell?

Isn't the whole idea of swapping a second close combat weapon for a shield exactly that?

SM dreads have a MM and a power fist. SW dreads have an axe and shield.

SM dreads get 4 attacks... SW dreads get 2 attacks...

?? I mean... I guess if you are thinking about it like the SM dread is swinging his MM around like another melee weapon. -_-
But the SW blizzard shield actually has a melee weapon profile. So, it still doesn't really make sense. IMO.

 Quarterdime wrote:

Rasko wrote:
Sigh. What were GW thinking. ARHGGGG!

Why didn't they bring the dreadnoughts in line with the SM's. I don't understand. We have the best CC dreadnought in the game with the axe/shield and it is barely playable with 2 measly attacks. But the SM dreadnought attacks 4 times... Seriously, what the hell?

Isn't the whole idea of swapping a second close combat weapon for a shield exactly that?

To have less attacks? I am not quite sure what you are inferring. A normal SM dread has a gun, 4 attacks and doesnt need to be upgraded to venerable status so is fairly cheap around 100 pts. The Axe/Shield dread costs 145 as you have to upgrade it to venerable before you can spend the 25 pts to take the axe/shield- its really a shame. It would have been more playable if it at least got 3 attacks as they classified both the axe and shield as a specialist weapon and then not had you upgrade to be able to take the axe/shield- so it would come in around 125.

Oh, I didn't know that. I haven't really gotten into the game much. It sounded like you could've been talking about a close combat dread.

Also, looks like that exclusive wulfen formation just sold out. It probably sold out before 2 hours passed. I wonder how many Games Workshop even had...

Does anyone have the rules for the daggerfist formation or whatever they limited edition one was? It had a bunch of termies and the flier.


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The Champions of Fenris formation isnt horrible, it isnt competitive but it gives Logan back his old abilities only this time he transfers them to units around him in a bubble. GW is not very inventive are they. I could see a part drop pod list doing fair well, except you could drop long fangs in pods near Logan, he would give them relentless and let them shoot.

sturguard wrote:
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The Champions of Fenris formation isnt horrible, it isnt competitive but it gives Logan back his old abilities only this time he transfers them to units around him in a bubble. GW is not very inventive are they. I could see a part drop pod list doing fair well, except you could drop long fangs in pods near Logan, he would give them relentless and let them shoot.

From what I can see on the screen cap. CoF is minimum
-Logan
-2 guard units
-3 claw units
-4 GH/LS
-2 long fangs
-1 scout
Giving 12" high king aura and kingsguard (can't see whole page, so there might be another buff). That's a lot of tax vs CotGW to trade re-roll warlord trait for 12" aura. For Champions of Fenris, I'm really hoping there is another buff under there since you have to pay the most tax out of all the greatpacks.

I dunno, looking at all these greatpacks, usually, you have to pay a lot of of tax. And you have to take 2 greatpacks if you want to get fear + furious charge.
Also, none of these greatpacks have a generic Heavy slot. So if you want to run Decurion, you can't field a Relic Sicaran (if that matters to anyone).