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....no, that's as many IG units as it is Flesh Tearers.

The best way to make an ig list is to take the most advantage out of their access to cheap plentiful special weaponry and objective secured. As an added bonus, cheap stealth also.

And the best way to do that is by combining with drop pods (the maximum number of FA drop pods in one detachment is the Flesh Tearers detachment) and dropping them preferably into cover on objectives.

I'd say the best IG list is Paskisher and Pal, Flesh Tearers HQ, 6 FA pods, 6 Melta Camo Vet squads. Points and models wise there's more IG than Flesh Tearers by a factor of 5-10. Also points wise, the Tearers are just pod bitches here.

why not play just marine army with drop pods then. more resilient better BS, and one doesn't have to buy 2-3 books to run it and worry if his local play field accepts mixing formations.

Well, I think the tournament scene is dying atm.
If the tourney special rules allow unbound and more than one superheavies, some players will accept this invitation.

Makumba wrote:
why not play just marine army with drop pods then. more resilient better BS, and one doesn't have to buy 2-3 books to run it and worry if his local play field accepts mixing formations.

Uh.

You mean 3+ armor as opposed to 3+ cover, 1/3 more expensive, same BS, no way to turn on ignores cover, and fewer melta guns?

Because with vets it's way better?

I don't get it, you mean if your group doesn't accept allies?

Traditio wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:I disagree. I think if you're going to bring up the 'people are starving' argument, you need to not buy anything non essential and donate all that money to charity, otherwise it's a very hypocritical thing to say. It's not the person who bought the Knights fault that people are starving. It's not as if that £95 would have made any measurable difference and they just bought a model instead. For all you know, they might donate £95 to charity for every Knight they buy. Get off your high horse.

I'm just saying. If you have have $140 to waste on a plastic toy just because it looks cool, there's something seriously wrong here.

Your entire argument consists of "if you are passionate about things there is something WRONG with you."

My troll sensors are going berserk.

the_scotsman wrote:

Makumba wrote:
why not play just marine army with drop pods then. more resilient better BS, and one doesn't have to buy 2-3 books to run it and worry if his local play field accepts mixing formations.

Uh.

You mean 3+ armor as opposed to 3+ cover, 1/3 more expensive, same BS, no way to turn on ignores cover, and fewer melta guns?

Because with vets it's way better?

I don't get it, you mean if your group doesn't accept allies?

I just don't want to buy 6 drop pods 30 euros each to have a viable IG army. I'm fine with adding some Inquisitors or a few low model count allied force multipliers, but 180 euros is a bit too much.

I can buy 2 wraithknights for that, go unbound and call it a competitive IG army...

Zsolt wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Makumba wrote:
why not play just marine army with drop pods then. more resilient better BS, and one doesn't have to buy 2-3 books to run it and worry if his local play field accepts mixing formations.

Uh.

You mean 3+ armor as opposed to 3+ cover, 1/3 more expensive, same BS, no way to turn on ignores cover, and fewer melta guns?

Because with vets it's way better?

I don't get it, you mean if your group doesn't accept allies?

I just don't want to buy 6 drop pods 30 euros each to have a viable IG army. I'm fine with adding some Inquisitors or a few low model count allied force multipliers, but 180 euros is a bit too much.

I can buy 2 wraithknights for that, go unbound and call it a competitive IG army...

Okay, then don't. There's just as much that's viable in Guard as there is in any non-Eldar/Necron army.

There's plenty of things you can do with guard. Ally in that Dark Angel character to give a full platoon 4++s, use fortifications to protect your HWS so you have cheap pskyerable/orderable lascannons. Guard is IoM, and the strength of pretty much every IoM army is its ability to combine with others. If you want purer guard, take a guard army with one Imperial Knight, that should give you melee protection and a good skyfire option with the new missiles.

Guard have CCS, Platoons, Vets, Chimeras, Leman Russes, Wyverns, FW stationary artillery, Vulture Gunships and Vendettas. That's as many or more solid units than every other mid/low tier army. They even have good tools to deal with Eldar Jetbikes and average tools to down wraithknights. That's more than most armies can say.