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 scarletsquig wrote:
- Marauder Commando Sprue.

The chances of this happening in DZ2 are unfortunately in "Hail Mary" territory, which makes me sad as they're my favourite DZ models and I definitely want an army for WP, even though we haven't had the list for play-testing yet.

Iwould agree with all of that figure-wise except the Rebs; rather than see a generic 'human' sprue (as much as it would be great for doing an army of Browncoats!), I'd rather see something with 3 humanoid setups (with various alien heads/arms to create humanoids) and then a couple of more outright alien body types, maybe one Grogan-sized for a Heavy Gunner and one Soark/Yndij-sized for a scout/infiltrator-type unit. By far the best thing about the Rebs compared to almost any other sci-fi range out there is that they are a complete hodge-podge of different alien races, I think the sprue needs to represent that to do really well for DZ and especially WP (where I would really rather see mixed units based on role than forced 'Grogan' unit or 'Human unit' setups)

As for rules, I honestly hope they don't change much. I certainly don't want to have to rebuy anything I already have, so I don't want any of the current profiles to change. The core rules seem fine to me, I could perhaps see stuff like cards or Command points being made optional 'advanced rules' for faster games, but I really wouldn't want to see anything outright cut or drastically altered.

The problem with mixed race sprues is that you're basically giving up the main advantage of HIPS, modularity. What is the point of having one of each alien on there? You'll end up with a horde of identical Grogans, identical Yndij, etc and end up with an army that actually looks worse than if you just had 3 different poses in restic.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The problem with mixed race sprues is that you're basically giving up the main advantage of HIPS, modularity. What is the point of having one of each alien on there? You'll end up with a horde of identical Grogans, identical Yndij, etc and end up with an army that actually looks worse than if you just had 3 different poses in restic.

Like I said, Grogan/Yndij-size, rather than just one configuration. So your big or little guys can still be in different species with head/arm options. For example, you could have a Grogan-sized gunner with an ape-like head (think Infinity Morats) or something reptillian, similar options for the smaller one. And then the humanoids obviously have different heads/arms in various configurations.

Basically, the WGF Survivors sprue but for Aliens.

 scarletsquig wrote:
My DZ2 wishlist:

- Sprue of hard plastic counters.
- Sprue of hard plastic crates, just as good as the DBX ones (they are awesome).
- Light Infantry Veer-myn sprue with lots of options.
- Heavy Infantry Veer-myn sprue with lots of options.
- Pathfinder sprue.
- Industrial Battlezone.
- Completely new set of rules which cut down on the complexity, keeping the good stuff like the grid, simple LoS etc. Somewhere in-between DZ 1 and Mars Attacks in terms of complexity.
- Card quick reference sheet.
- New mat design.

That's for starters, making the set have quality components before moving on to:

- Brokkr Sprue.
- Cypher Sprue.
- Rebel Human Sprue.
- Plague Warriors Sprue.
- Marauder Commando Sprue.

The initial launch was rushed and low quality, the second KS will offer a chance to go over the entire range again while introducing a new faction, new setting. With the added bonus of getting some serious groundwork in place before the Warpath Kickstarter.

My wishlist has a lot of similar points, tho I could take or leave the new factions so I'd much rathe rhave the other sprues you listed, Though I'm not sold on a rebel humans sprue, would be good for warpath I suppose. I think they really dropped the ball when deciding against the cypher sprue for dz1, it would have been much better for them in the long run.

I would also like to see a rules rewrite though more for a cleanup than a simplified version(two version would be ok though!) Certain things just don't make sense, like the beast rule which is totally useless since units with no shoot score can't pickup anyway. I'd also like to see better support for migher points games, code 13 rules break a lot of the missions, especially the item gathering and objective missions.

My (probably unlikely) hope is that we will get Crystallens as a faction, I can see them having some really neat beast/weapons that could be showcased in DZ.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
The problem with mixed race sprues is that you're basically giving up the main advantage of HIPS, modularity. What is the point of having one of each alien on there? You'll end up with a horde of identical Grogans, identical Yndij, etc and end up with an army that actually looks worse than if you just had 3 different poses in restic.

Like I said, Grogan/Yndij-size, rather than just one configuration. So your big or little guys can still be in different species with head/arm options. For example, you could have a Grogan-sized gunner with an ape-like head (think Infinity Morats) or something reptillian, similar options for the smaller one. And then the humanoids obviously have different heads/arms in various configurations.

Basically, the WGF Survivors sprue but for Aliens.

While I would love a mixed aliens sprue I don't think this method would work great. The body types are just too different, the only ones maybe close enough would be human and yndiij.

Hard plastic reb sprues that work out to allow bodies that cover enough to allow being human or humanoid would be amazing.

Seeing how I have everything that is a "must" for me in Deadzone, I'm pretty much using DZ kickstarters to continue funding my small Enforcer army.

Shared bodies between different aliens would be as horrific as the Steel Warriors sharing fantasy legs

That's my concern.

Except different heads. And different arms. And subtly built pouches that can go over the hole in the back of the coat that would be where an optional tail could go. And cut the body at the knees to allow for boots or alien feet. They have a huge opportunity here. And those are only the thoughts that existed in the span of a minute.

Seems like rebs would do better with like a team of yndij infiltrators, sorak shock troops, human basic line infantry, maybe grogan engineering/support team.

For warpath rules maybe adding a weapon to a to human infantry sqaud you'd get a grogan heavy or could take a tk/zero team.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Except different heads. And different arms. And subtly built pouches that can go over the hole in the back of the coat that would be where an optional tail could go. And cut the body at the knees to allow for boots or alien feet. They have a huge opportunity here. And those are only the thoughts that existed in the span of a minute.

I just can't see it being possible without the end product looking like absolutely terrible mish mash of compromises

I could see alternate funny heads for multi-pose humans working okay.

But not a single Grogan body with different funny heads. It's still the same pose.

The WGF Survivor sprue isn't exactly a great example - most of the models there can only be build one way (different heads aside), some have a second set of arms on the accessory sprue, but that's it. Once you've built one of each guy, the variety mostly stops.

^Without greenstuff and some talent, which is pretty much why I talked myself out of buying the box. I'm too much of a snowflake to wanna make them all stock.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Except different heads. And different arms. And subtly built pouches that can go over the hole in the back of the coat that would be where an optional tail could go. And cut the body at the knees to allow for boots or alien feet. They have a huge opportunity here. And those are only the thoughts that existed in the span of a minute.

Exactly.

Look at the Cantina scene in A New Hope, or the prison scene in Guardians of the Galaxy, everyone there is a human in pretty simple prosthetics (in terms of what they alter) and yet you get a very diverse looking array of aliens that share the same body type, with the main difference in head/hands. Something like that would be fine and very doable, I think. Yes, some of it could be achieved by just painting humans different colours, but dedicated options would be easier.

While specific aliens in certain roles might work in a 5-man strike team, I honestly think the whole idea of a multi-species coalition with as many races as the Rebs would be wasted if, in a whole army, certain species get pigeonholed into certain jobs.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I could see alternate funny heads for multi-pose humans working okay.

Yep, it's what I suggested for Gates of Antares way back when. To put it in Mass Effect terms, you make a single sprue for both Asari and human women wearing the same style of armour, and put enough heads on the sprues to support both.

The problem with this is that the currently established reb races aren't all exactly humanoid, and it's why I like them. Sorak have 4 arms no feet, and walk differently to people, grogan are fairly larger, Yndij have reversed joints don't they? Zees are half-sized, terratons are giant turtle people... none of the currently existing rebs races are the same profile as a human. It seems like they'd have to make an extremely fiddly multipart kit to allow you to change out the hands, heads, feet, optional tails.... for every model on the sprue.

The whole headswap/paint a different color like Star Trek aliens would be kind of boring to me, personally, I really liked that the rebs existed outside that. Could just be that the diverse arrangement of the rebs doesn't suit a larger scale battle, by nature they operate on battlefields of the Deadzone size--there probably aren't enough of them to even have armies thereof.

I'm pretty curious to see which route they take, and if they manage to pull off this jigsaw puzzle some of you are after then all the better I suppose

 GrimDork wrote:
The problem with this is that the currently established reb races aren't all exactly humanoid, and it's why I like them. Sorak have 4 arms no feet, and walk differently to people, grogan are fairly larger, Yndij have reversed joints don't they? Zees are half-sized, terratons are giant turtle people... none of the currently existing rebs races are the same profile as a human. It seems like they'd have to make an extremely fiddly multipart kit to allow you to change out the hands, heads, feet, optional tails.... for every model on the sprue.

The whole headswap/paint a different color like Star Trek aliens would be kind of boring to me, personally, I really liked that the rebs existed outside that. Could just be that the diverse arrangement of the rebs doesn't suit a larger scale battle, by nature they operate on battlefields of the Deadzone size--there probably aren't enough of them to even have armies thereof.

Let me put it this way: you are not getting the existing Reb species on a mixed sprue. You're just not, unless you make the sprue utter gak to enable it. If you want hard plastic Terratons you should wait until Mantic can afford to do them properly, and not just waste resources on a half-assed sprue that does nothing well.

When did I ever say that I wanted a mixed sprue? I just said it seemed a bit daft to add several new races when the rebs already have half a dozen or more cool races that are actually alien.

My original suggestion is that each of the main rebs races would need it's own sprue to come out worth a damn.

Neither of the two options I've seen here would work given how rebs currently are. You can't make parts interchangeable for sorak/grogan/yndij, and why in the world would they make up a bunch of generic races that were humans+headswap. Just buy some 3rd party heads for that.

I'm still thinking the diverse nature of the rebs really doesn't lend itself to the 40k-scaled game, unless you're going to have separate units and boxes for each type. Human line troopers, yndij scouts, grogan heavies, etc blah blah. The mix n' match you get in deadzone is great but it makes less sense to me on a larger scale.

The models in Deadzone by and large almost all grouped by race and weapon type, anyway. Heavy weapons on Grogans, blasters on Soraks, etc. I think the basic rifle is shared between Humans and Yndij, but that's about it. One sprue for each type, and Deadzone will be a mix of them all.

 GrimDork wrote:
What, Alpharius, you like hairless rats? Like those hypoallergenic cats? Who are you, Dr Evil? Might explain a few things....
Ehh, they're ok as rendered. If any of us want more fur, it's one of the easier things to sculpt/press mold.

You're a madman! Well, you'd have to be a madman to be willing to sculpt hair on to a large horde of space rat models.


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 scarletsquig wrote:
My DZ2 wishlist:
- Sprue of hard plastic crates, just as good as the DBX ones (they are awesome).

Should they not just be able to recycle the DBX ones if they're any good? It'd save money on tooling, etc - and make it easier all round on their end.

They kind of have explosion counters on the underside of the lids... but yeah I mean if it were an add-on option that could kind of solve some problems.

 Azazelx wrote:
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 scarletsquig wrote:
My DZ2 wishlist:
- Sprue of hard plastic crates, just as good as the DBX ones (they are awesome).

Should they not just be able to recycle the DBX ones if they're any good? It'd save money on tooling, etc - and make it easier all round on their end.

I bought extra DBX ones purely for this reason. 6 packs of 'em iirc, can't go wrong with that stuff. If they make another set I'll pick a bunch of those up too I imagine haha.

I nearly jumped onto the DBX KS just for the crates, but the shipping for them alone was silly. If they're on the DZ2 KS I'll definately be all over them.

Deadzone: Infestation confirmed to go live March 20th (is that new news?, am a bit out of the loop)

YES!

Love the squeaky rats

Holy crap! Excited.


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I guess that means we get a new thread on 3/20?

Yeah, I think thats new news.

A week from now?

Sure, why not!

There is seriously not enough already going on this month. At least it'll spill in to April.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A week from now?

Sure, why not!

There is seriously not enough already going on this month. At least it'll spill in to April.

I will pull an Azazelx and go in for a buck for the first time in my KS history

I figure it'll be at least 2-3 months til we see the PM.

Who is going to take charge of this one? If no one else, I'm sure I can give it a shot.


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Also, what's our chance of getting a V2.0 of the rules/stat cards on this one?