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Oh? Fair enough then. Perhaps I'll get ahold of these books, I remember the Timothy Zahn stuff being good.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
Counter proof "Mara Jade Skywalker was, during different times in her life, an Emperor's Hand, a smuggler, and later a Jedi Master who sat upon the Jedi High Council. As an Emperor's Hand, Mara carried out the Emperor's bidding, killing Rebels and corrupt Imperials alike with cold professionalism even as a young woman. After Palpatine's death, she received his last command, which was to kill Luke Skywalker; however, the death of her Master caused her to go rogue. Eventually she joined Talon Karrde, becoming one of his best smugglers and his second-in-command. During the predations of Grand Admiral Thrawn, she was forced to work with Skywalker, and developed a grudging respect for him. "

What is this nonsense have to do with anything? She was not a Sith, she was never described as a Sith in any Extended Universe novel or RPG sourcebook. She was always just an Imperial Agent with some dark side tricks thrown in for good measure. The fact that she became a Jedi Master later on is because she was first taught by Kyle Katarn (i.e. Jesus), and later by Skywalker himself.

kyle is jesus? LMAO, but he's got so many flaws

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:kyle is jesus? LMAO, but he's got so many flaws

Hey, so did Jesus. That's what made him cool.

lol, true

lol. Space Marine Vs. Jedi. Hmmmmmm. I wonder who would win. A super human with the most advance weaponry and also having a weapon that is shooting C4 on krak. Or a Squrimy guy with a sword that can cut through anything. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
You can't block an explosion. Space Marine Wins!

Also Guardsmen and the Titans and not only that but everyone keeps forgeting the imperial navy's awesome space fighters that could go as fast as a Cobra from the Eldar. And those things could go fast.
But I would have to be iffy with the space battles. But the Imperium wins the ground war hands down thanks to titan's and super heavy vechiles. And not only that but legions of guardsmen and Space marine shock troops. (Reminds me I have to make Orbital Drop Space Marines) ODSM

Asherian Command wrote:lol. Space Marine Vs. Jedi. Hmmmmmm. I wonder who would win. A super human with the most advance weaponry and also having a weapon that is shooting C4 on krak. Or a Squrimy guy with a sword that can cut through anything. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
You can't block an explosion. Space Marine Wins!

Also Guardsmen and the Titans and not only that but everyone keeps forgeting the imperial navy's awesome space fighters that could go as fast as a Cobra from the Eldar. And those things could go fast.
But I would have to be iffy with the space battles. But the Imperium wins the ground war hands down thanks to titan's and super heavy vechiles. And not only that but legions of guardsmen and Space marine shock troops. (Reminds me I have to make Orbital Drop Space Marines) ODSM

i disagree, personally i'd say it would come down to which side struck first. also jedi should not even be apart of this conversation this is the empire we are talking about not the republic

Well in that Case Sith. -.-

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:lol. Space Marine Vs. Jedi. Hmmmmmm. I wonder who would win. A super human with the most advance weaponry and also having a weapon that is shooting C4 on krak. Or a Squrimy guy with a sword that can cut through anything. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
You can't block an explosion. Space Marine Wins!

Also Guardsmen and the Titans and not only that but everyone keeps forgeting the imperial navy's awesome space fighters that could go as fast as a Cobra from the Eldar. And those things could go fast.
But I would have to be iffy with the space battles. But the Imperium wins the ground war hands down thanks to titan's and super heavy vechiles. And not only that but legions of guardsmen and Space marine shock troops. (Reminds me I have to make Orbital Drop Space Marines) ODSM

i disagree, personally i'd say it would come down to which side struck first. also jedi should not even be apart of this conversation this is the empire we are talking about not the republic

I personally think it's the Imperium who would win, though if the Empire struck first then they'd be at a severe disadvantage.

50/50. though i agree the IOM would be at a sever disadvantage

but considering that the imperium would strike back would be disable the entire Empire ground force. Because we know the imperium is known for kicking ass in counter attacks.

Asherian Command wrote:but considering that the imperium would strike back would be disable the entire Empire ground force. Because we know the imperium is known for kicking ass in counter attacks.

true, but the empire does control the entire galaxy where the imperium only controls most of their's

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:but considering that the imperium would strike back would be disable the entire Empire ground force. Because we know the imperium is known for kicking ass in counter attacks.

true, but the empire does control the entire galaxy where the imperium only controls most of their's

Maybe so, but that also means that the Imperium's troops are more battle-hardened, what with all the wars they fight.

valid point

Not only that but they are smarter in the Imperium. They are not some light headed Moran that has no sense of control. Even though they lose tons of men. They are actually do it quite efficently. Because they are fighting foes that have just recently come out. While the Empire has new recurits every day. But the Imperium has alot of harden veterans. And their Conscripts are wearing the same armor. And don't run a scream if they face other humans that are not from chaos.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:valid point

Thank you.
Although it would also be fair to say that Stormtroopers are no pushover either, at least in the expanded universe.

True but in the movies a stormtrooper did get owned only by luke and his buddies. But when they face rebels in the first movie they owned. only 5 died agianst and entire fire team of rebels.

Asherian Command wrote:True but in the movies a stormtrooper did get owned only by luke and his buddies. But when they face rebels in the first movie they owned. only 5 died agianst and entire fire team of rebels.

true but the rebels did get owned as well

Well they had clothing. Compared to battle armor. I think the Storm Troopers would of won even if it was a little equal. Storm troopers i do have to say are not push overs in the films they are but in the books they aren't

OFT

Just like space marines Except instead of movies its the table top game.

I just realized something rather important. Even if the Empire won,don't you think they'd be corrupted by chaos INCREDIBLY fast? Since they have no idea what it is, and since jedi are ALWAYS using "psychic" powers, they would be really vulnerable to chaos, which would completely destroy them. The empire would crumble against chaos. Or nids. Or tau. Or Orks. Nothing that the empire has ever fought is even remotely like tyranids or chaos.


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Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:but considering that the imperium would strike back would be disable the entire Empire ground force. Because we know the imperium is known for kicking ass in counter attacks.

true, but the empire does control the entire galaxy where the imperium only controls most of their's

Maybe so, but that also means that the Imperium's troops are more battle-hardened, what with all the wars they fight.

My thoughts exactly. They've got that whole "We'll destroy the enemies of the empire even if we have to die several times over, because the emperor's undying love for us will guide us through the blood-fog of battle and guide our laspistols straight into the hearts of our enemies" thing going on. They're incredibly good at moral justification by arguing that the emperor's will is absolute and that the greater good of the imperium comes before their very lives.

The Jedi / Sith dont use "psychic" powers, not as 40k knows it anyway.

Asherian Command wrote:lol. Space Marine Vs. Jedi. Hmmmmmm. I wonder who would win. A super human with the most advance weaponry and also having a weapon that is shooting C4 on krak. Or a Squrimy guy with a sword that can cut through anything. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
You can't block an explosion. Space Marine Wins!

Also Guardsmen and the Titans and not only that but everyone keeps forgeting the imperial navy's awesome space fighters that could go as fast as a Cobra from the Eldar. And those things could go fast.
But I would have to be iffy with the space battles. But the Imperium wins the ground war hands down thanks to titan's and super heavy vechiles. And not only that but legions of guardsmen and Space marine shock troops. (Reminds me I have to make Orbital Drop Space Marines) ODSM

naval warfare?
In 40k Abbadon has the planet killer whereas no imperial ships can blow up an entire planet.... The Empire built 2 and could surley make more to combat the Imperium, hyperdrive also seems alot safer than warp travel.

also imperial ships from the empire seem more advanced than a SM one, and way more fighters. The emperor himself is a great strategist also none of you realize he could coerce the imperium to prehaps fight itself? to turn guardsmen to the empire?


and the emperors hand were a bunch of force weilding spec ops troops, im sure they could do some damage; i feel like the imperium's zealous fever would get the best of them.



Also not that 40k is usually played on even ground and in the star wars universe there are lava planets and ice balls and all sorts of gakky stuff,

IronfrontAlex wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:lol. Space Marine Vs. Jedi. Hmmmmmm. I wonder who would win. A super human with the most advance weaponry and also having a weapon that is shooting C4 on krak. Or a Squrimy guy with a sword that can cut through anything. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
You can't block an explosion. Space Marine Wins!

Also Guardsmen and the Titans and not only that but everyone keeps forgeting the imperial navy's awesome space fighters that could go as fast as a Cobra from the Eldar. And those things could go fast.
But I would have to be iffy with the space battles. But the Imperium wins the ground war hands down thanks to titan's and super heavy vechiles. And not only that but legions of guardsmen and Space marine shock troops. (Reminds me I have to make Orbital Drop Space Marines) ODSM

naval warfare?
In 40k Abbadon has the planet killer whereas no imperial ships can blow up an entire planet.... The Empire built 2 and could surley make more to combat the Imperium, hyperdrive also seems alot safer than warp travel.

also imperial ships from the empire seem more advanced than a SM one, and way more fighters. The emperor himself is a great strategist also none of you realize he could coerce the imperium to prehaps fight itself? to turn guardsmen to the empire?


and the emperors hand were a bunch of force weilding spec ops troops, im sure they could do some damage; i feel like the imperium's zealous fever would get the best of them.



Also not that 40k is usually played on even ground and in the star wars universe there are lava planets and ice balls and all sorts of gakky stuff,

two? you mean three, or did you forget the emperor's super star destroyer the eclipse? it mounts a death star laser on it as well

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:lol. Space Marine Vs. Jedi. Hmmmmmm. I wonder who would win. A super human with the most advance weaponry and also having a weapon that is shooting C4 on krak. Or a Squrimy guy with a sword that can cut through anything. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
You can't block an explosion. Space Marine Wins!

Also Guardsmen and the Titans and not only that but everyone keeps forgeting the imperial navy's awesome space fighters that could go as fast as a Cobra from the Eldar. And those things could go fast.
But I would have to be iffy with the space battles. But the Imperium wins the ground war hands down thanks to titan's and super heavy vechiles. And not only that but legions of guardsmen and Space marine shock troops. (Reminds me I have to make Orbital Drop Space Marines) ODSM

naval warfare?
In 40k Abbadon has the planet killer whereas no imperial ships can blow up an entire planet.... The Empire built 2 and could surley make more to combat the Imperium, hyperdrive also seems alot safer than warp travel.

also imperial ships from the empire seem more advanced than a SM one, and way more fighters. The emperor himself is a great strategist also none of you realize he could coerce the imperium to prehaps fight itself? to turn guardsmen to the empire?


and the emperors hand were a bunch of force weilding spec ops troops, im sure they could do some damage; i feel like the imperium's zealous fever would get the best of them.



Also not that 40k is usually played on even ground and in the star wars universe there are lava planets and ice balls and all sorts of gakky stuff,

two? you mean three, or did you forget the emperor's super star destroyer the eclipse? it mounts a death star laser on it as well

QFT and i dont read up on BFG or anything but to imperium ships have shields at all? i just think the imperium would crumble since intergalactic battles would be fought and won in space.


and someone mentioned earlier how a SM could kill a force user easy. What if the force user crushed the bolter then ran in for the kill? What if they stopped the bolter rounds only to send them right back?

IoM ships have void shields don't they?


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That's not strictly relevant to ground warfare though.

Yes, BFG have void shields, that seem geared to stopping energy weapons - no idea of the comparitive outputs of turbolasers vs lances though.

Guys, ground war only...

Lol. No one follows the rules