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Ok , but if it is true that GW thinks that the rules should be only guidlines and all the random stuff is suppose to be for the game, which I from personal expiriance disagree with. Why don't they make clear rules anyway. People who would want to change the rules , would change them just as GW wants , and they would change them no matter , if the rules are good or bad anyway. And those who want good rules , would get good rules and be happy too.

One can't say that one makes the best game in the world , price it like one , but make a bad product.

Makumba wrote:
One can't say that one makes the best game in the world , price it like one , but make a bad product.

Unless, of course, you are GW. They seem to be the only ones drinking their own Kool-Aid nowadays.

KommissarKarl wrote:
What I find galling is that nonsense like this is the reason GW shut down their own forums and facebook page.

No, the reason that GW closed down their forums and their Facebook page is that they thought that it wasn't worth the effort of engaging with their customer base.

It seems like the same people who relentlessly stoke up and exagerate nonsense got them closed down, are the same people who complain about GW not communicating with your fanbase.

Indeed. It's almost as if choosing to not communicate directly with unhappy customers doesn't result in those customers magically becoming more happy about whatever it was that they were complaining about...

 Nate668 wrote:
The 40k community here on Dakka is decidedly toxic.

You should definitely try french boards.

The largest one doesn't even have 1/10 of the activity of Dakka. Dakka currently has 7600+ users online, that french board has an all-time record of 762 online users.

There are 90 admins/mods on that board. That's not a typo. Ninety mods. Just imagine what would be Dakka with one thousand angry mods.

How angry? Well... Basically, if two messages are off-topic, that thread is going to be nuked. If you're telling on the rumours thread that these meganobz are slightly on the expensive side, you're asked to shut up and stop whining because "we've already heard that at least a thousand times", then you get nuked.
If you're lucky, you (or the thread) won't be nuked, but your messages can be deleted/edited at will.
Of course, you're free to post thousands of messages about how the current releases are grrreeeaaat, and post your new project log about Ultramarines, since it's never been done before.

They're not cops, more like death squads armed with flamethrowers, that incinerate the entire block if something's wrong. Of course, they're constantly whining about the hard work and lack of collaboration of the populace.

The point is, Dakka just feels like... heaven. Really. It is a great community. It's alive, and it just seem to... well... work. People may agree or disagree with this or that, things can sometimes be heated, but that doesn't matter, because in the end, all opinions are valued and respected.

And that's why I love this place.

Hear hear! That's exactly why there's a [DCM] under my name. Dakka has something great going for it, I think the moderator policy (and the moderators themselves) is very good and allows for discussion you won't get on many forums. To me, toxicity is how bad people are to each other - LoL was given as an example, where everyone knows your mother intimately. Having a negative view of a product isn't toxicity - insulting people for talking negatively about a product is. Which is hilarious, because the OP is the closest thing to toxic here.

 Yonan wrote:
Hear hear! That's exactly why there's a [DCM] under my name. Dakka has something great going for it, I think the moderator policy (and the moderators themselves) is very good and allows for discussion you won't get on many forums. To me, toxicity is how bad people are to each other - LoL was given as an example, where everyone knows your mother intimately. Having a negative view of a product isn't toxicity - insulting people for talking negatively about a product is. Which is hilarious, because the OP is the closest thing to toxic here.

Isn't it more bad to specifically name him toxic when, in the original post, he did not name you toxic specifically? Do unto others is not the best policy all the time.

 milkboy wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
Hear hear! That's exactly why there's a [DCM] under my name. Dakka has something great going for it, I think the moderator policy (and the moderators themselves) is very good and allows for discussion you won't get on many forums. To me, toxicity is how bad people are to each other - LoL was given as an example, where everyone knows your mother intimately. Having a negative view of a product isn't toxicity - insulting people for talking negatively about a product is. Which is hilarious, because the OP is the closest thing to toxic here.

Isn't it more bad to specifically name him toxic when, in the original post, he did not name you toxic specifically? Do unto others is not the best policy all the time.

I said "the closest thing to" meaning he isn't, but is closer to it than what he was suggesting was toxic. No need to put words into my mouth, I can do that just fine myself. As far as I'm concerned, calling anything on dakka toxic is silly as anything that *is* toxic is removed by our sexy moderators. If you want to see *real* toxicity, check a F2P game like LoL.

Most of the threads I've seen shut down recently have been because of GW apologists making personal insults and telling people they shouldn't voice their opinion.

 insaniak wrote:

Indeed. It's almost as if choosing to not communicate directly with unhappy customers doesn't result in those customers magically becoming more happy about whatever it was that they were complaining about...

So many of the issues that cascade into "toxic hate fests" [sic] could be simple one line statements from the company. "Oh, that is a rules issue, we'll send it back up to the devs and get back to you in X days." And stick to X days and deliver.

Ta-da! No more hate on bad rules!

And then when you pull stupid stunts like stealth price raises, such as Dire Avengers, you should be ready to take it across the bow for doing something as asinine as that. Your market is a bunch of pretty intelligent folks as they like a game, in meat space, of Tactical Strategery™. So if you pull gak, expect gak. There are threads on the Wyrd forums talking about the disgruntled customers over shoddy release schedules. There are threads on the PP forums about the mold lines on the PVC kits. I'm sure there are probably threads on the Corvus Belli forums about the terrible rulebook layout. And each company has addressed these concerns with a response and timeline.

When's the last time Games Workshop has done that?

That's the cure for hate, from the company. It's 2014 in our hobby of wargmaing. It's time to stop the "Blame the Player" nonsense.

There is no cure for stupid so either way you look at it, it comes to this.

More people = more stupid people = more hate stupid people get mad when they can't get what they want or understand lol

OgreChubbs wrote:
There is no cure for stupid so either way you look at it, it comes to this.

More people = more stupid people = more hate stupid people get mad when they can't get what they want or understand lol

So are you calling anyone who has beef with GW stupid in a round about fashion?

OgreChubbs wrote:
There is no cure for stupid so either way you look at it, it comes to this.

More people = more stupid people = more hate stupid people get mad when they can't get what they want or understand lol

So instead of making a valid, useful point and post, you make insults to anyone's opinion that you dislike?

What a great way to demonstrate your ability to think critically.

Actually I said either way you look at it. So pull the pipe out guys. Either you think we are stupid for liking it or we think your stupid for hating it. Either way there is no cure for stupid.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Actually I said either way you look at it. So pull the pipe out guys. Either you think we are stupid for liking it or we think your stupid for hating it. Either way there is no cure for stupid.

And either way it contributes nothing but instead antagonizes people. If you're going to contribute, why not drop the insults and referring to everyone as stupid.

 TheKbob wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
There is no cure for stupid so either way you look at it, it comes to this.

More people = more stupid people = more hate stupid people get mad when they can't get what they want or understand lol

So are you calling anyone who has beef with GW stupid in a round about fashion?

"My son displays a general garment and you claim it’s cut to your fit?" - Jessica Atreides, Dune, Frank Herbert

Addressing the OP:

Bitching about GW doesn't fix it.

But bitching about bitching about GW (like you're doing) doesn't fix anything either.

Another thread that could have been a forum for genuine discussion spoilt by complaints about people complaining.