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Ok, so, methinks this is another FW unit that's probably going to get toned down before it sees final release.

As is, this thing is a massively overpowered vehicle killer, and particularly next to something like a Forgefiend with a similar main weapon array, it's putting out significantly more hurt with significantly more damage resistance, for basically the same cost.

It's effectively killing an AV12 tank every turn, with the missile array it's doing so even through a 5+ cover/invul save.

As to the model itself, the core dreadnought body itself looks kinda cool, the problem is that the guns all look twice as big as they should be. In another game that'd look fine but doesn't quite fit the normal 40k aesthetic, looking more than a bit over the top and Gundam-ey.

 Thanatos73 wrote:
I like it, I just wonder why anyone would put heavy flamers on a dedicated fire support platform? If you're close enough to use the heavy flamers I'd think it's not doing its job.

At least it doesn't have blades on the end of the barrels.

 Ifurita wrote:

 Thanatos73 wrote:
I like it, I just wonder why anyone would put heavy flamers on a dedicated fire support platform? If you're close enough to use the heavy flamers I'd think it's not doing its job.

At least it doesn't have blades on the end of the barrels.

Until they release the Legion specific or Chaos version...

beast_gts wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Vermis wrote:

Spoiler:

OT: What are those Knight Crusaders armed with?

Quake Cannon & Twin Battle Cannons if I remember rightly.

(although this says they're twin Lascannon -

Spoiler:

Thanks!

 Ifurita wrote:

 Thanatos73 wrote:
I like it, I just wonder why anyone would put heavy flamers on a dedicated fire support platform? If you're close enough to use the heavy flamers I'd think it's not doing its job.

At least it doesn't have blades on the end of the barrels.

Just wait for the World Eaters specific Relic Deredeo version. Given FW's "dreadnought of the month club" pattern of the last two years, they'll eventually run out of normal relic contemptors and have to move onto something else.

 the_Armyman wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Vermis wrote:

Spoiler:

OT: What are those Knight Crusaders armed with?

Quake Cannon & Twin Battle Cannons if I remember rightly.

(although this says they're twin Lascannon -

Spoiler:

Thanks!

Acutally, it is armed with Twin Lascannons and the Quake Cannon. Used to hate fighting them as they'd constantly blow buildings away with their quake cannons.

Grarg wrote:
The rules for it not that bad. Not crazy broken.

Anyone know what the Furibundus (Fury) class of dreadnought would be, a crazy assault dreadnought i'd assume? I'm assuming that FW is working on this one as well seeing how the Deredeo was brought out of nowhere.

I reckon the Furibundus will be the Siege (Ironclad) variant. Pretty much the only version they haven't contemptor'd!

I'd guess Furibundus is supposed to be a distant relation to the Furioso. The word was FW planned to do three HH era Dreadnought patterns, one larger and one smaller than the Contemptor. So I'm guessing something similar in size to the 40k Dreadnoughts but with the Contemptor aesthetic.

 zedmeister wrote:

Acutally, it is armed with Twin Lascannons and the Quake Cannon. Used to hate fighting them as they'd constantly blow buildings away with their quake cannons.

If FW does a Knight crusader I bet they'll change the Lascannons to something bigger for no other reason than the scaling. The Knight Castellan has a rotary autocannon (though it looks more like a mega gatling bolter) and given that both have Quake cannons I'd imagine they'd want the big Lascannons to be more comparable to that.

They might go hunting around the 'age of the emperor' pdf for pimped lascannons.

I'm digging it, for sure. Thought it looked decent in the leaks, but now I think it looks great. It's definitely how I imagine a dedicated gun platform Dreadnought to look.

I'm also interested in how poseable it is. I can't really tell if the legs have the same level of posability as the standard Contemptor, but I can think of some dynamic poses that would look much better than the static "legs apart, guns up" pose of the Ultramarine one.

Looking at the Deredeo, it straight up looks like Forge World mashed a Destroid Defender and Destroid Phalanx from Macross together and stuck a Space Marine head on it.

Love the new dread, they did a good job on the legs which could have been a disaster given the bulk o the upper body. Can't wait to see what some of the skilled modelers on dakka can do with the pose. Dreads can look awesome in battle mode.

I thought the Deredeo's niche was already filled by the Contemptor Mortis?

 Ashiraya wrote:
I thought the Deredeo's niche was already filled by the Contemptor Mortis?

Nah. The Contemptor is just like a regular old Dread, but with improved stats. You can tool him into a ranged support platform, but the design is rather a jack of all trades than a dedicated ranged support. With those missiles and massive autocannon + possibly two heavy bolters the Dorito should be kept at range and snipe thin-skinned transports, flyers and nastier uglies such as terminators.

Strangely enough, not as hideous as previously thought, though as already pointed out, somewhat redundant. Heavy Flamers are there in case someone does get close I guess, so that it doesn't have to awkwardly kick itself out of a pile of Snotlings.

Wonder how they'll represent its extra durability.

 Kosake wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I thought the Deredeo's niche was already filled by the Contemptor Mortis?

Nah. The Contemptor is just like a regular old Dread, but with improved stats. You can tool him into a ranged support platform, but the design is rather a jack of all trades than a dedicated ranged support. With those missiles and massive autocannon + possibly two heavy bolters the Dorito should be kept at range and snipe thin-skinned transports, flyers and nastier uglies such as terminators.

The Contemptor Mortis though, is an anti aircraft one. It shares the same rule with the Deredo where if it doesn't move, it can shoot fliers.

Although I think the Deredeo is a little inferior in aesthetic compared to the Contemptor, I think both are leagues ahead of the angry washing machines of old. Certainly look *way* more intimidating!

Feels like FW is doing that thing we're the experimental rules are under costed so everyone rushes out and buy one. I except it to go up in points once it's properly published in a book.

The current rules for it are just to under costed compared to a Mortis. Their is just no reason to take a mortis over this guy.

well it's better for experimental rules to be under costed so people do actually play them and so try them out

if they over costed them nobody would really use them, so they'd never see how the rules actually worked out in practice

(and as you say it helps sell the model even to those who don't really like the look)

Yes, but anyone who actually buys a model based solely on an advantage granted by experimental rules deserves exactly what they get when those rules change.

Simply put, we should be praising FW for doing public playtesting and making changes based on feedback.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Yes, but anyone who actually buys a model based solely on an advantage granted by experimental rules deserves exactly what they get when those rules change.

Simply put, we should be praising FW for doing public playtesting and making changes based on feedback.

Agreed. That's entirely their fault. I don't think FW do it on purpose, if they wanted to sell loads of models their rules would still be overpowered after the experimental phase.

I am very tempted to buy a Deredeo. I just love the model, more so than the Contemptor. Can someone persuade me not to blow £65 on this thing?

I never realized forge-world actually took feed back on the experimental rules. Since GW dosen't let them run social media and stuff. How dose Forgeworld actually get feed back on the experimental rules? just google tacticas and stuff the community writes about their experimental units?

(Dose forgeworld read 1D4chan tacticas also....? O___o )

 Lockark wrote:
I never realized forge-world actually took feed back on the experimental rules. Since GW dosen't let them run social media and stuff. How dose Forgeworld actually get feed back on the experimental rules? just google tacticas and stuff the community writes about their experimental units?

I doubt it, except maybe some minor testing in their own gamer groups. The experimental rules are probably just "for now" and they do the official rules in some book later.

 Lockark wrote:
I never realized forge-world actually took feed back on the experimental rules. Since GW dosen't let them run social media and stuff. How dose Forgeworld actually get feed back on the experimental rules? just google tacticas and stuff the community writes about their experimental units?

(Dose forgeworld read 1D4chan tacticas also....? O___o )

You could just email them. I mean that's still a thing.

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Agreed. That's entirely their fault. I don't think FW do it on purpose, if they wanted to sell loads of models their rules would still be overpowered after the experimental phase.

 Hoyt wrote:
I am very tempted to buy a Deredeo. I just love the model, more so than the Contemptor. Can someone persuade me not to blow £65 on this thing?

Plus shipping... I'm going to get one but I hate hate hate the shipping thing so I will await a bulk order, or a free shipping offer??!! If they made everythng more expensive and did away with shipping it wouldn't annoy me as much.

Knockagh wrote:
If they made everythng more expensive and did away with shipping it wouldn't annoy me as much.

Ummm...but wouldn't the damage to your wallet be the same? It'd just be a question of perception...

Knockagh wrote:

 Hoyt wrote:
I am very tempted to buy a Deredeo. I just love the model, more so than the Contemptor. Can someone persuade me not to blow £65 on this thing?

Plus shipping... I'm going to get one but I hate hate hate the shipping thing so I will await a bulk order, or a free shipping offer??!! If they made everythng more expensive and did away with shipping it wouldn't annoy me as much.

I think shipping works out to be around £10, so £75 in total. Not too bad tbh. I think I'm gonna take the plunge and get one.

 Accolade wrote:
Although I think the Deredeo is a little inferior in aesthetic compared to the Contemptor, I think both are leagues ahead of the angry washing machines of old. Certainly look *way* more intimidating!

They may be better models (finer details, whatever), and they may have a sounder design from an engineering point of view, but I liked the old boxy dreads more. They were more grimdark and fitting for the Imperium, while these sleeky-curvy models look like something the tau might come up with.
Well, in a regular 40k setting they'd be considered sacred, rare relics afaik while in 30k the technology was still pumping, so there's that, but I actually liked the old cubefoots better.

 Kosake wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Although I think the Deredeo is a little inferior in aesthetic compared to the Contemptor, I think both are leagues ahead of the angry washing machines of old. Certainly look *way* more intimidating!

They may be better models (finer details, whatever), and they may have a sounder design from an engineering point of view, but I liked the old boxy dreads more. They were more grimdark and fitting for the Imperium, while these sleeky-curvy models look like something the tau might come up with.
Well, in a regular 40k setting they'd be considered sacred, rare relics afaik while in 30k the technology was still pumping, so there's that, but I actually liked the old cubefoots better.

Im the complete opposite haha. I can't stand the boxy dreadnought, and I really like the Contemptor. I don't see Tau in it but I guess with the sleeker lines I get what you mean

Still not decided on the Deredo, but it's growing on me. Awful name though!