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Hi, I'm new to 40k and looking for a space marine chapter to play. Does anybody know who the missing legions/primarchs are?

As far as I can tell, no. But then again that's probably why they're still missing.

Check with the UK GW website, they seem to have their stuff together under the marine section. It'll give you some back ground on each chapter; and I *THINK*, not certain, it will say more that just "this chapter will stand where other marines run, bah ha!! best chapter alive!!!", etc...

Not sure why GW does that but they make each chapter out to be the best.

I personally like the Dark Angels, and trait marines. Good luck!

Thanks

wikipedia is also a great source for fluff about the primarchs.

There's not much more info about the missing primarchs other than they're missing. I believe GW did this to give players more creative license in the background of their chapters.

Posted By lifeafter on 10/20/2007 6:01 PM
wikipedia is also a great source for fluff about the primarchs.

There's not much more info about the missing primarchs other than they're missing. I believe GW did this to give players more creative license in the background of their chapters.

Although the latest "hints" that we're getting about them seem to suggest something "tragic" and/or "dishonorable" (Maybe...) about them, so, not sure why you'd want to base your DIY chapter on them!

Odds are, one day, looking for a few more dollars/pounds/euros/etc. GW WILL reveal the "truth" about them... And it will be...

Unimpressive?

Are the legion of the damned a missing legion.
Why are they damned? GW.com didn't really explain that.

Go to wikipedia.org for that question as well. If it's the chapter I'm thinking, then they are the ones who show up, beat the living tar out of Xenos, and then leave.

The Legion of the Damned is the Fire Hawks Chapter. Their fleet was lost in the warp, and they are now unable to remain in the material universe as a result...hence they are damned. They still randomly show up in remote warzones, fight for the Emperor without a word spoken and disappear like ghosts.

As far as the lost legions, some very...very...very early references appear in some of the original sourcebooks, but even they're murky. As was mentioned, they're left "intentionally blank" for people who want to delve into their own personal visions of those legions.

this gets talked about about once every 2 months here on dakka, wiki is a good place to start looking for hitns..
but there is also hints ain the horus heresy novels that Horus may have had a hand in the deaht of oen of them when he had the wierd back in time thing and went to the lunar labs where the primarchs were..

also there is the usual rumour of one of the lost primarchs being Sigmer Heldenhammer form Warhammer Fantasy, gw keep denying it but all fluf fnuts in their heart of hearts know this to be true..


tbh mate i'd think of somthign differnt than the lost legions, read more of the fluff before makign your decision a lot of newbies go for the lost legions i suggest thinking of somthign new or some sort of new spin on one of the more established marine themes considering i can think off the top of my head abotu 18 different ones you could do

The lost legions are a tip of the hat to Roman legions, which had several lost legions. My worthless history degree finally pays off!

Sigmar is one of the missing primarchs. You'd have to of played GW games for a long time for that though, as there were numerous hints and links that "Warhammer" was just a world in the Warhammer 40k universe that was blocked off by warp storms. There still are a bunch of hints, but you'll no longer see chaos warriors in Warhammer armed with chainswords and plasma guns.

As far as the Legion of the Damned is concerned, they used to be known as the Fire Hawks, and true to their name, they were prone to spontaneously combusting. Fire would pour from the cracks of their armor, and so they were deemed corrupt. The Imperium determined that they should be destroyed, and so they fled, repainting their armor and going into isolation, and then getting lost in the warp. They are now known as the Legion of the Damned, because the Imperium has turned its back to them, and yet they do not worship Chaos, so they are unwanted no matter where they go.

angron i do not know wher eyour geting the last bit of info form but thats never been in the Legion of the Dammed's backstory, you seem to be merging the legion of the dammed(the fire hawks) and the Flame falcons. two different chapters

the legion of the dammed
"The Fire hawks were founded as part of the cursed 21st Founding, but en route to pacify a planet they became trapped in the Warp. They were stuck there for nearly twenty years, and in the warp they were subjected to a plague that caused them hideous suffering. When they finally escaped from the warp the Chapter had been devastated. Most of them were gone and the survivors were no more than animated corpses, their flesh was gray and decaying and the suffering they endured had left them near insane and longing for release from the pain. However, they were still loyal servants of the Imperium and as such they were determined to give up what semblance of life they possessed for the Emperor. They abolished all ranks, as they were all equal in death. They decorated their armour with symbols of cheerlessly grinning skulls and souls writhing in the flames of purgatory. They no longer considered themselves Fire Hawks; they were now simply the Legion of the Damned. Obsessed with their fate, they do not fear death; indeed, they seek little else."

the flame falcons
http://uk.games-workshop.com/spacemarines/cursed/3/ go here for them

I may very well have done that.... sometimes there's too much junk in my head for my own good

I think they say that the Blood Ravens may be a missing chapter or something.

I doubt it will be the Blood Ravens, as it's already been revealed that they are in fact made from the geneseed of pre-heresy Thousand Sons, not a seperate Primarch.

The Lost legions are a mystery, and may always remain that way unless GW really runs out of ideas.

Angron wrote:Sigmar is one of the missing primarchs. You'd have to of played GW games for a long time for that though, as there were numerous hints and links that "Warhammer" was just a world in the Warhammer 40k universe that was blocked off by warp storms. There still are a bunch of hints, but you'll no longer see chaos warriors in Warhammer armed with chainswords and plasma guns.

The Albion reward items are very clearly 40K wargear, and most of it appears to be marine stuff.

snorkle wrote:

Hi, I'm new to 40k and looking for a space marine chapter to play. Does anybody know who the missing legions/primarchs are?

Long ago one of the writeups for the Horus Hersy say that five Legions were sent after Horus, three were corrupted, two lost. Presumably this means two Legions were destroyed by Horus before the battle for Terra, though they could have been sealed away by warp storms, lost in time or anything.

This writeup was later contradicted, or more accurately the two missing legions were omited entirely from the story arc.

It is known that all twenty legions were formed, as they were formed presumably from the initial stock of geneseed before they were united with their primarchs. Whether the two 'lost' primarchs were ever found has never been commented on, but it is safe to presume the legions existed at one time.

Orlanth wrote:

Angron wrote:Sigmar is one of the missing primarchs. You'd have to of played GW games for a long time for that though, as there were numerous hints and links that "Warhammer" was just a world in the Warhammer 40k universe that was blocked off by warp storms. There still are a bunch of hints, but you'll no longer see chaos warriors in Warhammer armed with chainswords and plasma guns.

The Albion reward items are very clearly 40K wargear, and most of it appears to be marine stuff.

It was a powered gauntlet (pfist), a gleaming sword (pweapon), and a plasma weapon i believe.

But didn't GW specifically release a statement that the Warhammer World was not a part of the 40k universe? I'm pretty sure I read something to that effect somewhere. Then again my mind is deserting me in my old age.

I think they may have done at some time or another, but similarities are so blatantly obvious.

On the issue of missing Legions, I reckon Grey Knights could be one of the two missing ones, except even they don't know it. It amkes sense since there's already a lot of chapters with missing history.

I reckon Grey Knights could be one of the two missing ones, except even they don't know it. It amkes sense since there's already a lot of chapters with missing history.

Actually it is rumored that the Grey Knights use the geneseed of the Emperor himself, hence why NONE have been lost to Chaos, and thats what makes them so bad ass too!!!

snorkle wrote:But didn't GW specifically release a statement that the Warhammer World was not a part of the 40k universe? I'm pretty sure I read something to that effect somewhere. Then again my mind is deserting me in my old age.

I dont remember anything like that, there can be so many parallels drawn between the two i cant see how people could not at least consider it.

Seriously?? WH might be a world in the 40K universe :O :O

Never heard any of this,Anyone got a link to a thread about it?

The primarchs also use the emperor's geneseed (sorta). And 9 of them fell to chaos.

A good analysis can be found here (even if I do say so myself);

http://forum.blpublishing.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=177

That is a very well thought out post and the musings seem spot on to me. But half of the page is just grey on my screen for some reason. Right after the part where it says what zodiac the primarchs have all the text is grey and I can't read anything. Any help?

Thanks for the compliment, a lot of hard work went into it. When I first did it, BL boards had a background skin of only white, so I chose the best colours to go with that. Since they have changed the forums so that you can have other skins, the font is harder to see if you chose a darker one. Can I suggest that you go to the BL homepage, scroll down to the bottom and select a white skin, it should then (hopefully) be more visible.

Yeah that did it. But I'm not even sure it was the skin. Yesterday the second half of the page was in greyy lcoks as if it was a spoiler but there was no text in the blocks. And it was still in paragraphs. Very bizarre.
Once again great post and I'm glad I was able to read both halfs.

I finished reading all 6 pages. I really like your theory with the Emperor. But I'm not clear about the part where the 2nd becomes the third. That would mean they bore the brunt? That makes sense, but I'd like to hear your version if it's different. Thanks.

snorkle wrote:I finished reading all 6 pages. I really like your theory with the Emperor. But I'm not clear about the part where the 2nd becomes the third. That would mean they bore the brunt? That makes sense, but I'd like to hear your version if it's different. Thanks.

Well, basically I think the Emperor's Children are Legion II (The Primarchs are like fathers to the Space Marines - The Emperor is a father to this Legion). The fact that the records of the first three Legions made during the Great Crusade (Dark Angels, missing Legion and Emperor's Children) have all been deleted suggests that something went on between these three Legions. The Dark Angels (apart from having records purged, seems to have emerged from it OK, but the missing Legion is gone and the Emperor's Children suffers an 'accident' which severely lowers their numbers.

Combined with the fact that around this time the Emperor changed his symbol from the Lightning Bolt emblem to that of the Aquilla, and then allowed only the Emperor's Children the honour of wearing it is another factor that suggests some sort of bias towards the Legion.

What I think happened is that the Dark Angels sat on the fence (again) while the Emperors Children and the missing Legion slugged it out - one loyal to the creator of the Primarchs (who was Emperor for a short spell) while the other Legion was loyal to the first Primarch found, who won and became the Emperor we know and love today.

I think that the (new) Emperor had to hide his tracks, since he knew that the other Primarchs would not follow him, so he incorporated his Legion, (Emperor's Children) into Fulgrims Legion (Legion II - who have now been wiped out) and deleted the records of the existence of his involvement with his Legion.

Another possibility is that the Dark Angels and Emperors Children wiped out the missing Legion together and then the Emperor wiped out his own Legion to hide the evidence of his gene-seed (the 'accident') and then rebuilt it using Fulgrims gene-seed, but allowing them the honour of wearing the Aquilla for being (secretly) his Legion - even though it no longer uses his gene-seed.