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 Mr Morden wrote:
- FW seems to be getting it right - looking at the redcent work on HH and the Adeptus Mechanicus - as noted the Contemptor is new - but could have always been there - the Centurions - just lazy, poor and horrible.............

Contemptors have always been there. They first showed up in the Heresy era Adeptus Titanicus supplement Space Marine in 1989:
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/4001/space-marine

http://musingsofametalmind.blogspot.com/2011/07/what-crap-is-going-on-with-dreadnoughts.html

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 NickTheButcher wrote:
So being a former xenos (Ork) -turned Space Marine player, I haven't had the pleasure of experiencing a new codex release since I started at the beginning of 5th.

Now with that, do you guys typically get the codex first, read the rules then buy models based on the rules? or do you guys; like to by the new models regardless of what the rules are?

I'm a budget minded gamer and typically only buy stuff that suits my playstyle/fluff (Salamanders in this case).

I'm guessing I should wait until after I see what is in the codex.....

No such thing as a former ork! You can sell the army and change your track but the username stays! I haven't been a "new" marine player since 3rd edition but I got the codex and my two troops and an HQ all in one purchase to cover the army basics. At the time, my FLGS only had two tables so the 40k group pretty much had to play group games of 2v2 or more per table so I just kind of watched how things fared for units I didn't own and whether their playstyle matched my own preferences.

 d-usa wrote:
So from what we know:

Current assault marine and devastator boxes staying the same?

Command squad box: I know there is talk of a big box with transport, do we think the current box is going bye bye?

Do we think there will be a new captain box?

Trying to see what I need to snatch up for my bits box.

i don't see any hint of the Captain and Honour Guard boxes going away...
i hope they stay around, as they both have great bits...

i'm liking the new Tacticals...
MKIV legs, upright MKVI legs, MKVIII torso without the grill, two new bolter arm poses that rock, plus more mohawks!!!
i am very happy...

cheers
jah

 NickTheButcher wrote:
So being a former xenos (Ork) -turned Space Marine player, I haven't had the pleasure of experiencing a new codex release since I started at the beginning of 5th.

Now with that, do you guys typically get the codex first, read the rules then buy models based on the rules? or do you guys; like to by the new models regardless of what the rules are?

I'm a budget minded gamer and typically only buy stuff that suits my playstyle/fluff (Salamanders in this case).

I'm guessing I should wait until after I see what is in the codex.....

I buy the Codex before any models generally but in this case I'll make an exception as the new plastic Sternguard and Tactical kits are too good to resist. The doubt in my mind that tells me Vanguards will be crap anyway though won over my desire to get them.

As for the Hunter/Stalker, I'll decide upon getting the Codex and reading the online consensus. Unless Termie Tubbies with Gravitron Cannons turn out to be excellent MC/Termie killers I won't be getting them, full stop.

I'll definitely get one of each of the new infantry boxes for bits. After that I will have to see what I can build to fit the Raven Guard fluff.

Is there any chance we could get the first post in this thread updated regularly with any new photos that are released?

 NickTheButcher wrote:
So being a former xenos (Ork) -turned Space Marine player, I haven't had the pleasure of experiencing a new codex release since I started at the beginning of 5th.

Now with that, do you guys typically get the codex first, read the rules then buy models based on the rules? or do you guys; like to by the new models regardless of what the rules are?

I'm a budget minded gamer and typically only buy stuff that suits my playstyle/fluff (Salamanders in this case).

I'm guessing I should wait until after I see what is in the codex.....

You're always safe buying dudes in power armor si ce they can generally be used has a half dozen or more choices in the army.

Had to try this out. The faceplate is probably slightly bigger than shown here...

Can't make up my mind if its cool, or an outright abortion. It's certainly doable. Opinions?



EDIT: Large sarcophagus:

 cyphertheory wrote:
Found these on /tg/ not sure if they made it here

New Mk6 legs and Mk4? New MK8 torso. I love the aiming bolter. It's about damn time someone actually [i]aimed[/]\i] their damn weapon.

However, I am very disappointed in the lack of new helmets. But the Vanguard kit did have that cool MK6 helmet with bionic eye. Maybe the Sternguard box will have better armor variants.

rabid stoat wrote:

Had to try this out. The faceplate is probably slightly bigger than shown here...

Can't make up my mind if its cool, or an outright abortion. It's certainly doable. Opinions?



EDIT: Large sarcophagus:

i approve of this.

 gigasnail wrote:

rabid stoat wrote:

Had to try this out. The faceplate is probably slightly bigger than shown here...

Can't make up my mind if its cool, or an outright abortion. It's certainly doable. Opinions?



EDIT: Large sarcophagus:

i approve of this.

Yeah, the second one is on to something I think. Not sure the sarcophagus itself works, but the full armour...

ok ... I have some DC Dread sarc's that I could end up doing that with ... most excellent conversion

rabid stoat wrote:

Had to try this out. The faceplate is probably slightly bigger than shown here...

Can't make up my mind if its cool, or an outright abortion. It's certainly doable. Opinions?



EDIT: Large sarcophagus:

As a huge Battletech fan I approve of this

As for the codex I am looking forward to new rules for White Scars. Nothing says awesome like Genghis Khan in SPAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!!!!

 jah-joshua wrote:


i don't see any hint of the Captain and Honour Guard boxes going away...
i hope they stay around, as they both have great bits...

i'm liking the new Tacticals...
MKIV legs, upright MKVI legs, MKVIII torso without the grill, two new bolter arm poses that rock, plus more mohawks!!!
i am very happy...

cheers
jah

yeah the aiming arms and the extra low slung arms are great... I'm a sucker for tactical and stern so this release is good for me...And the Sternguard look ornate… that head full of hair is refreshing in the grimdark baldies world.
Very cool. I’m even dusting of the old WIPs in the top of the closet… time for that next DIY chapter…
but something really makes me want to do Crimson fist again… so torn…

No pics of the rumored reloading tac marine? I was really looking forward to seeing that, it looks really cool in my head.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
No pics of the rumored reloading tac marine? I was really looking forward to seeing that, it looks really cool in my head.

Tiny pic courtesy of our friends on /tg/.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
No pics of the rumored reloading tac marine? I was really looking forward to seeing that, it looks really cool in my head.

http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1404016#post1404016

rabid stoat wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
No pics of the rumored reloading tac marine? I was really looking forward to seeing that, it looks really cool in my head.

http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1404016#post1404016

also, a couple pages back, found this gem

Heresy-Online C:SM Rumor thread, pg 42 wrote:-Generic characters will be able to purchase alternate Combat Tactics options to represent a wider range of Chapters/companies.
-Combat Tactics for the following Chapters: Ultramarines, White Scars, Imperial Fist, Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Raven Guard. They have two special rules per choice.

Finally, My Blood Ravens are unique!!! And the mods should add the new pic to the first page.

I hope there are chapter tactics to represent the Blood Angels.. since my current codex sure as heck isn't playable :p

 Kirasu wrote:
I hope there are chapter tactics to represent the Blood Angels.. since my current codex sure as heck isn't playable :p

As long as you know that isn't happening, everything is fine.

 Kirasu wrote:
I hope there are chapter tactics to represent the Blood Angels.. since my current codex sure as heck isn't playable :p

What's wrong with Blood Angels? Is that a general complaint about assault or something specific about the army? If they do indeed have a trait system, it's quite likely that there will be some close combat options.

Crazyterran wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I hope there are chapter tactics to represent the Blood Angels.. since my current codex sure as heck isn't playable :p

As long as you know that isn't happening, everything is fine.

This would be funny if it wasn't so true

The subtle joke is that pretty much anything would be an improvement. If the only benefit to chapter tactics is "Your HQ choice gets to wear a funny hat" then that would be more useful!

Can't say the centurions look interesting at all but cheaper vanguard and better troops all seem solid.

 warboss wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I hope there are chapter tactics to represent the Blood Angels.. since my current codex sure as heck isn't playable :p

What's wrong with Blood Angels? Is that a general complaint about assault or something specific about the army? If they do indeed have a trait system, it's quite likely that there will be some close combat options.

*sigh* okay:

Furious Charged: nerfed

Feel No Pain: nerfed

Razorbacks (and vehicles in general): nerfed

Mephiston and Sanguinor: nerfed

Dante: nerfed (you give a character who's all about agility an unwieldy weapon? seriously?)

Assaults: nerfed

Power weapons: nerfed

PF Sergeants: nerfed (thanks to challenges and precision shots)

Stormravens: can now be taken by Vanilla marines and GK

Need I go on? 6th nerfed everything that made BA decent, or in the case of the SR, gave it to the other chapters.

 insaniak wrote:

 VoidAngel wrote:

No, it's perfectly acceptable for well-sculpted units with good rules to have always been there.

If we seem biased against fugly models with terrible rules (terrible in the sense of balance or utility, not uber-Wardesque-killiness) - we are. Give me something that LOOKS like it could have always been there (Contemptor). Give me something that was referenced on page 67 of the Second Edition rulebook, once. "What, those heretical little monkeys on Mars finally adapted the Hrud fusil into a blessed instrument of the Emprah's divine will? I'll take 10,000."

Something like that. Not, "Hey - the studio vomited again - pay up!"

What a model looks liKe, and how that unit fits into the background are two completely separate issues.

I understand your point; but the aesthetics are part of what helps determine "fit". If Chaos stuff started to incorporate giant fluffy pinky bunnies that spat caustic lemonade because, well, Chaos...it wouldn't sit well. It breaks the aesthetic, even if there's some justification for it. The Centurion suits would go over better, despite their sudden appearance, if they were beautiful models that "looked right". I have no doubt in my mind. And models that are ugly, abusive, AND new - naturally garner a lot of hate (*cough* Dreadknight *cough*).

Imagine if they'd inserted plastic Contemptors. I don't think there'd have been any complaints. Probably much rejoicing.

 Plokoone wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
No pics of the rumored reloading tac marine? I was really looking forward to seeing that, it looks really cool in my head.

Tiny pic courtesy of our friends on /tg/.

Sweet Jebus yes, a Crimson Fist in the new Art!!! Oh, let us hope that Pedro's boys get some love in the new dex

Right a quick question as I am slightly underwhelmed by the new tactical. A lot of what I see looks like rehashed old kit? Or is it just me? Also that errant armour looks worse than the old plastic one in the original kit that has now disappeared.

Stern guard looked awesome however

 Redemption wrote:
- First Founding chapters will be getting a substantial section each to themselves, so hopefully this can be looked as as Codex: Space Marines instead of Codex: Ultramarines. This will also show in a rule called Chapter Tactics, for which the effects depend on the chapter being played.

I hope this will fix problems in the Dark Angels codex such as no upgrades to basic master crafted weapons (just special ones) and more access to SM stuff such as the Thunderfire Cannon and other flyers.

I love the Centurions. Great look and look to be a great battlefield addition. Will have to look into them when released.

irwit wrote:
Right a quick question as I am slightly underwhelmed by the new tactical. A lot of what I see looks like rehashed old kit? Or is it just me?

Yes, there was no reason to assume that the Tacticals would receive all new sculpts, since for the most part they're fine as is. They have just swapped some variant parts in and added some extras, by the look of it.

Also that errant armour looks worse than the old plastic one in the original kit that has now disappeared.

The old kit never had proper Errant armour. There was a torso on the Marine sprue with the Errant-style armoured belly cables but lacking the neck ring, and a torso front on the accessory sprue that had the neck ring but had Mk7-style belly cables.

If they roll BT into the SM dex, does that mean you can cherry pick allies from the allies matrix using whichever you want?