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I'm currently a pretty big fan of min units of Immortals from the Decurion once I realized how incredibly durable they were.

 buddha wrote:
That is awesome. Thanks for posting this.

Tahnks and your welcome.

Seems like if your enemy has first turn though it would be pretty easy to move away.

I'm sorry, I don't follow. You can get the scarabs to the edge of his deployment zone. Where is he moving to ?

If he has a few models, and he sees this coming before you do it, he might be able to hug his table edge, and hope you roll poorly on the charge.

Unless your facing a gun line, they are more likely to actually advance out of their deployment zone and make it easier to get to them

HollisMason wrote:The only thing I would add is show the movment of the Scarabs from above so that people realize the Non Produced Scarabs ( the ones not spawned in the deployment zone) end up in the center of the table.

That's why the tape measure was in the picture, but I forgot to link to the larger images
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-5462-43441_Necron.html

The Blue Scarabs are the ones I started with, and the lead scarab is on the 24" mark. The rest of them should be 2",a Spyder's base width, behind it.

Admittedly what I used may not be the optimal deployment pattern, as I was really focussing on the ones spawned. I'm all ears if you have a better pattern for their deploment.

The next step for me will be figuring out how to capitalize on this tactic with my 10 Spyder list and the scarabs having RP 4+

I'm not sure how are you going to have the 10 spiders and RP 4+.

He's going to take the Canoptek Harvest as a Formation and normal CAD.

Normal Cad

H. Support

3x Spyders w/ Particle Beamers

3 x Spyders w/ Particle Beamers

3 x Spyders w/ Particle Beamers

total : 540


Canoptek Harvest
6 Wraiths
9 Scarabs
1 Spyder

Total : 498


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 adamsouza wrote:

 buddha wrote:
That is awesome. Thanks for posting this.

Tahnks and your welcome.

Seems like if your enemy has first turn though it would be pretty easy to move away.

I'm sorry, I don't follow. You can get the scarabs to the edge of his deployment zone. Where is he moving to ?

If he has a few models, and he sees this coming before you do it, he might be able to hug his table edge, and hope you roll poorly on the charge.

Unless your facing a gun line, they are more likely to actually advance out of their deployment zone and make it easier to get to them

HollisMason wrote:The only thing I would add is show the movment of the Scarabs from above so that people realize the Non Produced Scarabs ( the ones not spawned in the deployment zone) end up in the center of the table.

That's why the tape measure was in the picture, but I forgot to link to the larger images
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-5462-43441_Necron.html

The Blue Scarabs are the ones I started with, and the lead scarab is on the 24" mark. The rest of them should be 2",a Spyder's base width, behind it.

Admittedly what I used may not be the optimal deployment pattern, as I was really focussing on the ones spawned. I'm all ears if you have a better pattern for their deploment.

The next step for me will be figuring out how to capitalize on this tactic with my 10 Spyder list and the scarabs having RP 4+

Do you mind me messing with you're full pictures? Like I'd like to put lines in them with Photoshop.

Tyran wrote:I'm not sure how are you going to have the 10 spiders and RP 4+.

Hollismason is correct.
Canoptek Swarm for Scarabs with RP
Decurion to make RP 4+
CAD for 9 additional Spyders
The list is posted somewhere earlier in this thread.

The tactic I've been using involves a Turn 2 charge with a Scarab unit 29 bases strong.

Hollismason wrote:
Do you mind me messing with you're full pictures? Like I'd like to put lines in them with Photoshop.

Photoshop away

I had thought about using colored tape to mark the table, but I did it in a rush before going to work, and I couldn't find any suitable tape.

got my ass handed to me by dreadknight spam,how would you deal with this?

Like how many? I don't have the Grey Knight book off hand their the huge feth off walker right with a T value right??

What's it's T again?

Hollismason wrote:
Like how many? I don't have the Grey Knight book off hand their the huge feth off walker right with a T value right??

Yeah. Honestly, if you really wanna list tailor but still stick to the Decurion, bring both Ctan Shards and Deathmarks.

Lol, that was my immediate thought as well plus with Deathmarks in you're army with a Destroyer Lord if he teleports troops in like the Grey Knights can you get to show up immediately and punk the DreadKnight.

Grey Knights do not like Destroyers.

Hollismason wrote:
Lol, that was my immediate thought as well plus with Deathmarks in you're army with a Destroyer Lord if he teleports troops in like the Grey Knights can you get to show up immediately and punk the DreadKnight.

Grey Knights do not like Destroyers.

I mean, Destroyers themselves won't do much. Heavy Destroyers will, though. And I don't think the Deathmarks can come in when the Dreadknight shunts. It's not arriving from reserves, which is what triggers the Deathmarks.

I thought they had that special ability that gave Deepstrike Turn 1.

3 dreadknight and of course with a 4++invuln save, he rolled lucky and I rolled badly I had a deathstar of DL and Obyron with a canoptek harvest, just managed 5 T6 wounds.

They care nothing for non AP2, its 12 2+ 4++ wounds, s10 ap2 good in combat resilient shooting platform and highly mobile

Well there's some definite work arounds, have you considered trying the Conclave of the Burning One formation with Nightbringer?

The formation that's the most difficult to break is Orikan w/ Decurion Wraiths , 3+ Reroll Ones . Do they have Eternal Warrior? Vacuum Wraiths may be a good idea, ST4 AP2 but roll a 6 they are gone if they fail the 4+.


I'm a big fan of the following

" I see your Deathstar , and raise you 2"

Orikan
Obyron

Canoptek Harvest
6 Wraiths w/ Transdimensional Beamers
3 Scarabs
1 Spyder

Conclave of the Burning One
Nightbringer
Cryptek w/ Solar Staff, God Shackles
Cryptek w/ Veil of Darkness, Chronometron

About a 1100 points total but in 1850 leaves plenty left over for troops and air support.

God hackle plus 1 to strength and toughness holy moly!


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T8 and a 4++ and a 5+ FNP deep strike him in, take a lot to get rid of, love it!

My 2000 point Destroyer army ran for the first time yesterday, and it was against Grey Knights.

By the end of the game I had three Destroyers, seven Heavy Destroyers and two Doom Scythes left alive. The opponent only had a desperately jinking Stormraven.

Highlight of the match would be an extensive Heavy Gauss salvo evaporating the Paladin Squad from around Draigo, leaving him with one wound left, followed by two turns later an ordinary Destroyer removing that last wound from him in close combat.

Yeah Nightbringers a boss. I recommend him, it's really hard to deal with that unit + the Orikan Star.

why obryon and orikan?

Obyron gives you another Veil of Darkness and first turn deep strike with the Wraiths. Orikan gives the Wraiths who have a 3+ Invulnerable Reroll 1s on failed Saving throws. He also boosts their RP to 4+.

Obyron Also gives you the ability if you are worried about Mass Non AP2 fire to tank that fire with his 2+ rerollable save.

Orikan once empowered becomes a combat beast. The ability to Deep Strike Both units turn 1 into your opponents face with Wraiths that have Instant Death on 6s AP2 weaponry is pretty boss.

Both units have a small foot print as well. Well the Wraiths have less of a small footprint but still.

Why Wraiths over Lychguard? Lychguard are cheaper (especially with no overhead cost from the Harvest), and naturally have RP so you don't have to worry about teleporting away from the Spyder. Plus, they're smaller, and trade 1 attack for AP3, which is a nice trade imo.

ah i foolishly used a DL and spent far more points for that reason

Lychguard are a great unit, however lack of AP2 other than Obyron and Orikan harm the unit, they're also Offensively not as great as you would think, they're in fact pretty much ALL Defense.

Wraiths are both offense and defense. They're just over all better and have the ability to Vacuum up Monstrous Creatures when coming in on the Deep strike where as the Lychguard are just going to sit there doing nothing for a turn.

Sure the Lychguard are a fantastic unit however they do suffer from AP3 or Greater gives them only a 4+ invulnerable.

Don't get me wrong i like them I just think that the Orikan + Wraiths are better in every sense.

Also in later turns when Orikan is empowered you can in fact split them off to do their own thing and chase down a unit while Orikan goes and kicks the crap out of something with Obyron.

Hollismason wrote:
Lychguard are a great unit, however lack of AP2 other than Obyron and Orikan harm the unit, they're also Offensively not as great as you would think, they're in fact pretty much ALL Defense.

Wraiths are both offense and defense. They're just over all better and have the ability to Vacuum up Monstrous Creatures when coming in on the Deep strike where as the Lychguard are just going to sit there doing nothing for a turn.

Sure the Lychguard are a fantastic unit however they do suffer from AP3 or Greater gives them only a 4+ invulnerable.

Don't get me wrong i like them I just think that the Orikan + Wraiths are better in every sense.

Also in later turns when Orikan is empowered you can in fact split them off to do their own thing and chase down a unit while Orikan goes and kicks the crap out of something with Obyron.

Well first, you either lack AP2 OR you're weak to AP3. If they have Warscythes, they have AP2. If they have Shields, they have 3++. You can't count both downsides of the choices.

Second, AP3 isn't a bad thing. There's only so much 2+ in the game unless you're strictly fighting Deathwing or Paladinspam GK. Even against GKs, AP3 ignores a good chunk of the infantry (PAGKs, Interceptors, Purifiers, Purgatorians). Meanwhile, Wraiths are only fishing for Rends. The point of having the Orikanstar Lychguard is that they tank like hell for him (only a 1/9 chance for a wound to go through), while he and any Warscythe ICs do all the real damage.

If they only ever get in combat with Dreadknights and Centstars then yeah, you'll wish you had rending. But against most other things in the game (including many GMCs and non-shield TWCs), they tear up actually better than Wraiths.

who isnt regularly facing a 2+ mob regularly you must have a forgiving meta

Yeah I was suggesting it because he seems to have a problem with Dreadknights so it's a good thing to have.

I think the Lychguard are great, but the fact is if you teleport them into your opponents field, unless you get right up on them. You're opponent is just going to run away. They only have a 6" move. Meanwhile Wraiths can actually chase down stuff with their 12" move which is Huge. People think that you are hampered by that 6" move but you're really not if you have Wraiths with you.

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah I was suggesting it because he seems to have a problem with Dreadknights so it's a good thing to have.

I think the Lychguard are great, but the fact is if you teleport them into your opponents field, unless you get right up on them. You're opponent is just going to run away. They only have a 6" move. Meanwhile Wraiths can actually chase down stuff with their 12" move which is Huge. People think that you are hampered by that 6" move but you're really not if you have Wraiths with you.

Well if you attach 2 ICs to them then yeah you're kinda hampered.


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Jaq Draco lives wrote:
who isnt regularly facing a 2+ mob regularly you must have a forgiving meta

What kind of mob couldn't Orikan and Obyron chew through? Once he goes Empowered, he has 4 attacks at WS5 S7 rerolling all hits, and Obyron is Obyron. Even a Dreadknight would pucker up at that. It doesn't matter how much damage the Lychguard do when you put out 7 AP2 attacks per turn alongside them.

It's difficult to get away from Wraiths and Wraiths can in fact kill a DreadKnight in 1 round of shooting.

Requizen wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah I was suggesting it because he seems to have a problem with Dreadknights so it's a good thing to have.

I think the Lychguard are great, but the fact is if you teleport them into your opponents field, unless you get right up on them. You're opponent is just going to run away. They only have a 6" move. Meanwhile Wraiths can actually chase down stuff with their 12" move which is Huge. People think that you are hampered by that 6" move but you're really not if you have Wraiths with you.

Well if you attach 2 ICs to them then yeah you're kinda hampered.


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Jaq Draco lives wrote:
who isnt regularly facing a 2+ mob regularly you must have a forgiving meta

What kind of mob couldn't Orikan and Obyron chew through? Once he goes Empowered, he has 4 attacks at WS5 S7 rerolling all hits, and Obyron is Obyron. Even a Dreadknight would pucker up at that. It doesn't matter how much damage the Lychguard do when you put out 7 AP2 attacks per turn alongside them.

Literally just fought a game where that random empowerment which did not come off and can't possibly be relied upon until late in the game and my entire army was entirely neutered already.

You played this game before??? Relying on random empoerment is as good as saying just roll your saves dude....well done really

The point of Orikan isn't to rely on his CC ability, the point of Orikan is he gives the unit a reroll 1s and +1 RP. The empowerment is just bonus.

This is "Bomb" army I've been using at 2k


Orikan
Obyron

Elites
19 Flayed Ones

Troops
5 Necron Immortals w/ Nightscythe
5 Necron Immortals w/ Nightscythe

Fast Attack
5 Tomb Blades w/ Shield Vane , Nebuloscopes
5 Tomb Blades w/ Shield Vane , Nebuloscopes
H. Support

Canoptek Harvest
6 Wraiths w/ Transdimensional Beamers
3 Scarabs
1 Spyder

Conclave of the Burning One
Cryptek w/ Chrono Metron , Veil of Darkness
Cryptek w/ SS , God Shackles
Nightbringer

It works pretty well, Sometimes I go less Tomb Blades, or Flayed Ones for lower points. I've never not gotten First Blood with this army.

Iagree completely,given your earlier comment wIill conisder the exile gun upgrade in future

Hollismason wrote:
The point of Orikan isn't to rely on his CC ability, the point of Orikan is he gives the unit a reroll 1s and +1 RP. The empowerment is just bonus.

Agreed, he is priced very well even without the empowered!

+1 to RP + Phase shifter + re-roll 1's on saves + Eternal warrior + AP2 re rolls to hit