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I have one to add... Are models in transport vehicles "on the table" for things like tele homers/Brother C/Apothecaries, psychic hoods, and such. Or is it treated like 4th and a simple no?

Units inside of a transport are assumed to occupy the space occupied by a transport, so they can capture objectives, but I don't know about individual models. This is one of the few things that does need an FAQ.

Anyone else have a say in this?

Csm in transports with icons measure 6" from the transport to summon lesser daemons or use the teleport homer abilities of the icon. Units of troops in vehicles can control objectives.

Page 66: If the players need to measure a range involving the embarked unit (except for its shooting), this range is measured to or from the vehicle's hull.

Wouldn't need that clarification if they weren't on the table.

Adding on: for Old Zogwort's (sp?) Squig psychic ability, are you able to target IC's inside transports? If so, do you measure to the hull?

Models in vehicles are considered on the table, it is only to ease the frustration of trying to fit all the models inside or on a vehicle that it isn't required.

Cadian16th wrote:Adding on: for Old Zogwort's (sp?) Squig psychic ability, are you able to target IC's inside transports? If so, do you measure to the hull?

I'd say no, unless it specifically says otherwise to target a unit you have to have line of sight. Being in the tank you can't get line of sight.

Red_Lives wrote:Anyone else have a say in this?

My gaming group has come to the conclusion that yes, units inside a vehicle can use tele homers and the like, so I think you're right Red_Lives.

IMO 5th Ed has gone the way of more common sense... yes the troops are really inside said vehicle. No you can't draw los to them to attack them directly but guess what they can mostly do things to the outside world and still count as being inside.

Yay for transports! :-)

The rules don't currently give a complete answer to this question.

In some places the rules say how embarked models can do some things that are like what disembarked models do (chaos icons, shooting from fire points, some psychic powers). But in other places, not so much.

The fact that models can do some things while embarked doesn't mean they can necessarily do other things that aren't mentioned. In order to conclude logically that they can, you have to introduce an error of composition.

So some parts of this question need an FAQ.

I Might be walking a thin rope now, but if we are lucky the new SM codex till set some things straight (hopefully but now nescessarily)