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 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 pities2004 wrote:
Time to convert a good phoenix king version of Malekith, now dwarfs are really not going to trust elves.

Hmmm, Malekith was pretty damn respected by the Dwarves in his early years as conqueror of the new world and emissary to the dwarves, themselves.
Reminding them of that, and reinforcing the belief that the whole war of the beard thing was due to High Elves hubris and he could quite easily get back in with them, I reckon.
Appealing to the Dwarves proud history and reminding them of how things could have been and so on.

Malekith is a very cunning politician, I think he has a better chance of reuniting the Elves and Dwarves than any other Elf.

I guess I could see that, I mean Malekith started the war of the beard pretty much and got away with it, maybe the dwarfs will give him the phoenix crown

 SilverDevilfish wrote:
A Murder of Crows and Meteoric Ironclad have the same casting value. I... what? Actually A Murder of Crows in general...

Their was mention about some of the spells remaining and play and not being able to be dispelled. If murder of crows means that the target unit is taking hits every turn for the rest of the game, it would make it kinda awesome actually.

 Lockark wrote:

 SilverDevilfish wrote:
A Murder of Crows and Meteoric Ironclad have the same casting value. I... what? Actually A Murder of Crows in general...

Their was mention about some of the spells remaining and play and not being able to be dispelled. If murder of crows means that the target unit is taking hits every turn for the rest of the game, it would make it kinda awesome actually.

Hope so, as otherwise the spell is a bit crap for it's casting value.

Looks like all those comments about following the true king of the elves paid off.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeah, they're totally killing him off...

Despite the fact that these books don't overwrite the army books.
Despite the fact that there were several characters left out of Nagash(Konrad and Isabella von Carstein immediately spring to mind) that aren't cut out of the army book.

Malus has no model right now though and what's more, he's a minor lore figure at best.

Any war involving Khaine that doesn't include Malus, who is:

1) The chosen of Khaine who is destined to bring bloody ruin across the world in Khaine's name, thanks to his retrieval of the Warpsword (and many of the higher ranked Witch Elf Hags in Har Ganeth know this)

2) The Witch Kings personal champion (the title was never removed from him after the battle at the Tower of Ghrond)

3) Such a bloodthirsty, greedy and treacherous son of a that he couldn't resist taking part

is pretty much tantamount to him being killed off.

Also, Malekith as Phoenix King has a sword that has Flaming Attacks. Tyrion as the Avatar of Khaine has the fireborn rule which grants him a 2+ ward against flaming attacks. So it's pretty much forced into the game that Malekith as Phoenix King cannot kill Tyrion. Great design there, GW. I mean it's not as if Tyrion already had a higher initiative (granting re-rolls to hit), weapon skill (so he's hitting on 3s) and auto wounds with no armour saves which also circumvents the armour of midnights ward save.

Malus is a bit of a tack-on to the whole Elven drama in WFB. His absence doesn't really make a difference as far as the main theme is concerned.

Sure, it might suck for the lore inclined, given the wealth of written material the character received, but GW never had a cohesive plan for the settings in terms of storytelling. Buyer beware.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Also, Malekith as Phoenix King has a sword that has Flaming Attacks. Tyrion as the Avatar of Khaine has the fireborn rule which grants him a 2+ ward against flaming attacks. So it's pretty much forced into the game that Malekith as Phoenix King cannot kill Tyrion. Great design there, GW. I mean it's not as if Tyrion already had a higher initiative (granting re-rolls to hit), weapon skill (so he's hitting on 3s) and auto wounds with no armour saves which also circumvents the armour of midnights ward save.

Actually if both models have ASF, then neither gets to re-roll. But yeah, Tyrion is a bit bs for a guy that can hide in a cavalry unit.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeah, they're totally killing him off...

Despite the fact that these books don't overwrite the army books.
Despite the fact that there were several characters left out of Nagash(Konrad and Isabella von Carstein immediately spring to mind) that aren't cut out of the army book.

Malus has no model right now though and what's more, he's a minor lore figure at best.

Any war involving Khaine that doesn't include Malus, who is:

1) The chosen of Khaine who is destined to bring bloody ruin across the world in Khaine's name, thanks to his retrieval of the Warpsword (and many of the higher ranked Witch Elf Hags in Har Ganeth know this)

2) The Witch Kings personal champion (the title was never removed from him after the battle at the Tower of Ghrond)

3) Such a bloodthirsty, greedy and treacherous son of a that he couldn't resist taking part

is pretty much tantamount to him being killed off.

Also, Malekith as Phoenix King has a sword that has Flaming Attacks. Tyrion as the Avatar of Khaine has the fireborn rule which grants him a 2+ ward against flaming attacks. So it's pretty much forced into the game that Malekith as Phoenix King cannot kill Tyrion. Great design there, GW. I mean it's not as if Tyrion already had a higher initiative (granting re-rolls to hit), weapon skill (so he's hitting on 3s) and auto wounds with no armour saves which also circumvents the armour of midnights ward save.

What you say is true, however we know from WD that Alith Anar shoots an arrow that sways the outcome. seeing as Anar is listed as being on Malektihs side in the Khaine army lists, i'm guessing he shoots Tyrion, allowing Malekith to overcome his foe and assume the throne and title "Eternity King".

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Any war involving Khaine that doesn't include Malus, who is...

At best a tertiary character, devised by Dan Abnett to create what amounts to a Gaunt for the Fantasy setting.

He can be dropped entirely from the lore and nothing would be the poorer for it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Any war involving Khaine that doesn't include Malus, who is...

At best a tertiary character, devised by Dan Abnett to create what amounts to a Gaunt for the Fantasy setting.

He can be dropped entirely from the lore and nothing would be the poorer for it.

Although i am a fan of Malus in game, i could have to agree in the grand scheme of what is taking place during the end times, he is irrelevant.

Let's face it this is all out world war, we don't want another star wars where EVERY named character somehow survives EVERYTHING thrown at them.

Whats the point in a massive war where everyone lives?

Kinda bummed that Malus Darkblade has been killed off. Arguably one of Dan Abnett's best written characters IMO. Was hoping they'd update his model in the new DE release this year but alas, no joy there.

Once again:

There is no guarantee that because a character has been "killed off" in the End Times books that he's gone for good. 40k has a long tradition of characters who are dead in the lore continuing to get profiles.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Kinda bummed that Malus Darkblade has been killed off. Arguably one of Dan Abnett's best written characters IMO. Was hoping they'd update his model in the new DE release this year but alas, no joy there.

Same here, but not to be.

I'll still be fielding him in friendly games. Malus will still shed my enemies blood from time to time.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Once again:

There is no guarantee that because a character has been "killed off" in the End Times books that he's gone for good. 40k has a long tradition of characters who are dead in the lore continuing to get profiles.

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 reds8n wrote:
please use spoiler tags when referring to events that are recent enough that forum members might not be aware of them.

Apologies reds8n I had forgotten to do that lol

I'm pretty sure Kan meant that units that were dead in the current timeline have gotten profiles. Though less for 40k now Fantasy has always had a few like Grom and various others over the years.

The skaven spells that were added seem pretty interesting (as a skaven play mwahaha)

Great Red Pox (25+)
Targets all units within 24" (friend or foe)
On a 4+ units are effected (5+ for clan pestilence)
Toughness test on every model or be removed no armour saves allowed

Pit of the Underworld (20+)
Place marker. Roll D6 every consecutive phase after casting on a roll of 5+ the pit opens (large template). Every model touched by the template must make initiative test or be removed (saves allowed I assume?)

I am liking the great red pox spell but not the pit one. The pit one is okay but I feel like a large blast template will be easy to avoid and 5+ for it to come into play is meh.
This has me worried for the future of the Dreaded Thirteenth though. Casts on the same as the Great Red Pox but no saves of any kind plus you get clanrats outta the deal......I fear for the future!

The Great Red Pox sounds deeply unpleasant lol.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
The Great Red Pox sounds deeply unpleasant lol.

I agree but dreaded thirteen is worse because no saves of any kind allowed casts of 25+ (the same) and its 4d6 guys just die. If they all die the unit turns into clanrats!
I geuss the great red pox affects any kind of unit though unlike the thirteenth which only effects infantry