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Killer Klaivex






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In recent times in the OT forum, I've seen a fair few threads and posts about religion. Most of these just devolve into people trying to disprove religions or downright insulting them. Being Christian, I find this very offensive. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I think it's better if we keep the topic of religion strictly on a 'don't ask, don't tell' level. That is, don't mention it anymore. Ever. Because some idiot is going to drive it off topic and start decrying it.

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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Wrack Sufferer





Bat Country

So what your saying is, is that your a proponent of free speech. As long as people don't ever talk about the things that upset you?

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Killer Klaivex






Forever alone

No, but it is a sensitive topic that should be avoided. It just evokes raging and contempt between members.

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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why ban?
we will just find other ways to hate each other

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Killer Klaivex






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It seems to big the biggest hate topic on this forum.

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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What about gun control?

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Killer Klaivex






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So we can't post about homosexuality or make racist comments, but we're free to bash religion?

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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Cheese Elemental wrote:So we can't post about homosexuality or make racist comments, but we're free to bash religion?

Well,the basic difference here is that one is born a certian race & many belive a certian sexaul orientation,were as religion is a choice.
I do however see your point,however I can't advocate "banning" this,or truthfully any topic,one would hope that Dakkas policy of remaining polite in posting would be enough,however this is not always the case,perhaps in a discusion that is bound to become a bit heated,polite might have to give way for at least remaining "civil".


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Decrepit Dakkanaut






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Religion, politics and gun control are the big three arguments in OT, and people rarely change their views based on discussion but like to offer their opinions. A lot of forums ban discussions about those topics but it wouldnt be much of an OT forum if we didnt allow them. You can guarantee that a thread on one of those topics will have things you disagree with or are offended by, so just dont read them, or use the ignore feature to block out users who especially offend you.

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Cheese Elemental wrote:So we can't post about homosexuality or make racist comments, but we're free to bash religion?


To answer you : yes and no.

To the people like you , attemping to prove religion none existent = Bashing.

To the people that doesnt believe in religion = merely trying to find the truth.

Very different then bashing someone 's racial sexual preference.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Omadon's Realm

Intelligent and thoughtful debate on the nature of the divine should never be quashed or censured in a forum like that.

It's down to whether we are in Debate vs muck-throwing.

If you are a Christian, I am sure you realise that God is not going to take offence at some nerds on the interwebs discussing it's nature, not while millions are suffering and dying in the world, I would suggest this is far more your own sensitivity than that of the church or Christ, who last time I read the bible, seems like a very decent guy who would have encouraged people to ask questions and engage in sensible and polite debate to learn. He also forgave doubting Thomas the Apostle, so perhaps you should ask if your faith is strong enough or whether the questions raised are causing you discomfort?

And if someone is directing hate toward your faith, no just asking questions or citing the dates of atrocities done by the church on earth, but actually calling out profane or hateful things towards the faith or God then you have every right to report them and be fully supported by me as a non-Christian. You have an opportunity to learn and understand what people who lack your faith are asking, or taking issue with your religion, surely this is an opportunity to answer them or explain as a man of religious conviction, how you see things from your angle.

I would not support in any way an attack on an individual's faith, I can question the stance of the religion as a whole, I can disagree strongly with the tenets of a faith or current interpretations of it. I have that right and the right to ask my peers to comment on it.



 
   
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Killer Klaivex






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I just had a PM from someone who thought I was proselytizing/preaching my religion, and that I'm a mindless zealot. I'm sorry if this impression has come across, but most people would defend their religion, no? I tend to let it get out of hand, but I'm certainly not trying to spread my faith.

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker



Stafford

If you were to "ban" religious OT discussions, then ban them all.
Guns, Sexuality,Politics, Racism.
They're all contentious subjects.

The problem I've noticed in some of these topics, is the unintentional offence caused by lack of understanding or plain ignorance.
I myself have seen comments that I personally found to be offensive, even though they weren't directed at me.

Maybe a stronger stance against those that deliberately Troll/Flame would help?

   
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London (work) / Pompey (live, from time to time)

No offence, but why destroy one of the things that makes dakka so much better than gak like warseer and others?

From what ive actually seen in your posts in more than one occasion was you telling someone they were wrong about an idea and then you gave your religious reason. (the evolution thread i think)
so that got you nowhere fast, now you try to get it banned?

sorry, but if you bring up the topic of religion then others will talk.




Im all up for banning all and every religion as a whole and leaving it at that to save future troubles

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Wrack Sufferer





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AdrianG wrote:

Maybe a stronger stance against those that deliberately Troll/Flame would help?



That might be the wrong idea to take with it as well. What someone says in pure honesty, might come off as a troll/flame. The most effective trolls use that kind of real honesty to veil their attempts to bait people . So it's still a double sided coin that everyone needs to realize is two inches thick. There's a lot of gray area there. And while I'd like to think of every Dakka member as someone who is very enlightened in his belief structure and educated somewhat in others, I think sometimes you have to just pretend no one has ever talked about this kind of subject with anyone before.

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Horrific Hive Tyrant





London (work) / Pompey (live, from time to time)

That might be the wrong idea to take with it as well though. What someone says in pure honesty, might come off as a troll/flame.



If you need proof of that then look at a thread where me and Gwar are talking to eachother, looks like alot of flaming and tempers rearing up, but its just us talking



Now, true trolling is alot less obvious and out there, they wont just post it straight up, they will add to it so that its not just to the point.

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Killer Klaivex






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JD21290 wrote:No offence, but why destroy one of the things that makes dakka so much better than gak like warseer and others?

From what ive actually seen in your posts in more than one occasion was you telling someone they were wrong about an idea and then you gave your religious reason. (the evolution thread i think)
so that got you nowhere fast, now you try to get it banned?

sorry, but if you bring up the topic of religion then others will talk.




Im all up for banning all and every religion as a whole and leaving it at that to save future troubles

I'm not doing this for myself dammit! Every discussion on religion ultimately devolves into people decrying it, so why bother when it only gets people warnings and gets locked?

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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Cheese Elemental wrote:
Im all up for banning all and every religion as a whole and leaving it at that to save future troubles
I'm not doing this for myself dammit! Every discussion on religion ultimately devolves into people decrying it, so why bother when it only gets people warnings and gets locked?



For sake of freedom of speech.

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I'm not doing this for myself dammit! Every discussion on religion ultimately devolves into people decrying it, so why bother when it only gets people warnings and gets locked?




May i ask who it is that keeps making you read these threads?

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Killer Klaivex






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The voices in my head. That reminds me, I have to go burn something down.

I have started a reasonable thread in the OT forum on religion. Keep it clean, and take the time to read it fully.

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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Horrific Hive Tyrant





London (work) / Pompey (live, from time to time)

So really you are complaining simply because you are bored and have nothing better to do?
if you dont like a topic then dont read it and really dont go posting on it.

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Killer Klaivex






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I just feel obliged to say something. Otherwise, I feel that I've let myself down. People are always telling me to stand up for myself and my beliefs, and that's what I'm trying to do.

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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Horrific Hive Tyrant





London (work) / Pompey (live, from time to time)

And now you try to ban the topics when other people stand up for themselves aswell? you cant have it both ways.

Its really very simple, if something offends you, dont read it and dont take part in it.
If you do then you can only blame yourself for it.

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Killer Klaivex






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What? No, I don't have a problem with people voicing their beliefs, but when people start criticising mine, I get aggravated. I also criticise people's beliefs, but not over religion, race, or sexual orientation. I've only ever flamed someone over gun control, which I personally find to be a sensitive topic because it clashes with what I've been taught (i.e. that guns are dangerous and ones designed to kill humans shouldn't be owned by civvies).

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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Cheese Elemental wrote:I just feel obliged to say something. Otherwise, I feel that I've let myself down. People are always telling me to stand up for myself and my beliefs, and that's what I'm trying to do.


Yes thats true , but now you are forcing it upon others by making a deal out of it , with 2 threads ( including this one )

Now im not trolling ( never do ) But im seriousely thinking its going the way of this person:


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London (work) / Pompey (live, from time to time)

I've only ever flamed someone over gun control, which I personally find to be a sensitive topic because it clashes with what I've been taught



OK, so you have flamed someone because what they said went against your belief?
Grow the feth up, you seem to be starting the arguments and now your trying to get it banned because people decide to talk back.

You cannot tell people to be nice about your religion when you in turn flame someone for thier idea because it does not go with your religion.

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Cheese E.

I think its nice that you stand firm for your believes. But do not forget , everyone have their own version of believes,
their own version of Divine Truth.

If everyone does what you do , and make a commotion out of it, do you know what happens?

Religious war starts , where there can be no winners , and such actions do you truly believe will make ANY GOD happy?

Let me just say this :

God will be happy for your faith alone .

Gods will never be happy to see people argue / fight / kill because of the religious difference no matter what religion they are.


So please, just stop?

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Killer Klaivex






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I am not endorsing religious war, FFS!

OK, listen. Gun control and religion are two totally different issues. One is material, one is not. One can directly cause harm, one can cause spiritual harm.

Don't tell me to grow up. I know what I'm talking about, and I'm TRYING to keep this reasonable, but you come in here and try to antagonise me. Well, it doesn't work, buddy. You may try, but being rude will only get you in deep gak.

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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Horrific Hive Tyrant





London (work) / Pompey (live, from time to time)

Religious war starts , where there can be no winners



Actually, i am a winner in this case.
I do not have any religion or theories i believe in, i simply live life as it is and as i see it.
If i was ment to know about how everything was then im sure i would do, but i am not, i do not ask questions to which no one knows the answer to.


One can directly cause harm, one can cause spiritual harm.


Actually, as luna stated, religious war.
That would cause alot of harm to anyone involved.

Cheese, im antagonising you!?
You are pretty much preaching your beliefs and expecting everyone to take your word on them and go along with you.
If you cannot handle religion based topics here then maybe you are not in the right place.



Now, being that i am not a religious person i find your views highly offensive that you are trying to preach to others.

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