Forge World News and Rumour Thread : p212 Knight Porphyrion

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**commander dante**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
My Dark Mechanicum! My beating heart! My poor poor wallet! That Macrocarid! That Porphyrion! That Protodrone!

And I was all set for Alphas as my allied astartes... but that Iron Warriors bot... gah! It's so sexy!

Why not have the best of both worlds?
Take Alpha Legion and use the Coils of the Hydra RoW
Then take the bots as your 'Rewards of Treason'
These guys would be scary if they were close to you first turn...

**VeteranNoob**

It's a great day to be a Death Guard player while also starting Shattered Legions with Iron Hands from BaC. Well, great for everything except my wallet.

I regret nothing!!

**Lockark**

m_r_parker on bolter and chainsword gave a quite breakdown of the 10 new rites of war.

m_r_parker wrote:
Without going into too much detail on the new generic rites (there are over 10)

Armoured Breakthrough: Predator squads are compulsory troops, Sicarians as Elites, no fortifications / immobile units / units without transports

Primarchs Chosen: Primarch is HQ and not LoW, Veterans and Terminators as Compulsory Troops.

Brethren of Iron: Castellax as non-compulsory troops, Vorax as fast attack and Domitar as Elites but requires a Forge Lord / Iron Father / Warsmith

Fury of the Ancients: Dreadnought and Contemptor Dreadnought Talons as Compulsory Troops, but are no longer Elites. Need a Forge Lord and Primus Medicae, and can't seine the initiative

Outcast Sons: meant for small detachments of traitor loyalists, very circumstantial, not great bonuses.

Sky Hunter Phallanx: Jetbikes as Troops, and can voluntarily leave the table to be placed into ongoing reserves. Infantry can only be on Jetbikes or transports with the flyer rule.

Orphans of Betrayl: like Outcast sons but for loyalist traitors

Drop Assault Vanguard: compulsory troops can only be assault squads, half of which must be enter through deep strike. Only take units that can deploy through Deep strike or embarked on a Flyer transport.

Legion Recon Company: recon squads are compulsory troops, all models deployed using scout or infiltrate also gain shrouded during first turn. No termite armour or heavy support choices.

Zone Mortalis Assault Force: terminators as non compulsory troops, breacher squads with all models in base contact get bonuses to Invulnerable save

Sacrificial Offering: all models gain outflank and must begin in reserve from the primary detachment. An allied detachment must be taken, has stubborn whilst in own deployment zone, and have no VP if destroyed. Traitor only (duh)

**VeteranNoob**

Thank goodness for this emoticon.

Did this make it around? It's from B&C

**Nah Man Pichu**

OH MY BEATING HEART!!!!!!!!

BUT WHERE ARE THE DARK ANGELS RITES OF WAR?

So cruel that someone posted pictures of the Bangles, but not the Dangles

**Haighus**

commander dante wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
My Dark Mechanicum! My beating heart! My poor poor wallet! That Macrocarid! That Porphyrion! That Protodrone!

And I was all set for Alphas as my allied astartes... but that Iron Warriors bot... gah! It's so sexy!

Why not have the best of both worlds?
Take Alpha Legion and use the Coils of the Hydra RoW
Then take the bots as your 'Rewards of Treason'
These guys would be scary if they were close to you first turn...

The Iron Brethren is likely to count as a unique special Character unit, which I don't think is covered by the Rite of War, which allows you to take Legion-specific squads, not other Legion's heroes. Similar to how the Alpha Legion cannot use the Anakutis blade slaves because they are only taken with the special summoner dude.

**zedmeister**

**Accolade**

I wonder what situation Mechanicum Ordinatus would ever be used in-game. Perhaps they're just for showcasing (as I'm sure some of the other large models exist).

Really makes me want to see Titanicus- now THERE is a a spot where models like this would get used!

EDIT: the battle automata just keep getting better and better. I might have to invest in them as opposed to starting a marine army for 30k!

**Davespil**

Amazing models. Hope they give us a glimpse of the IA with Tau and Mechanicum

**zedmeister**

Accolade wrote:
I wonder what situation Mechanicum Ordinatus would ever be used in-game. Perhaps they're just for showcasing (as I'm sure some of the other large models exist).

Really makes me want to see Titanicus- now THERE is a a spot where models like this would get used!

EDIT: the battle automata just keep getting better and better. I might have to invest in them as opposed to starting a marine army for 30k!

The Saggitar is about 700 points, so could be deployed as a standard 3000 point Horus Heresy game. But yes, with weapons ranges in kilometres, Epic is so much better to use these in.

**Rayvon**

Looks like the holiday abroad is getting fethed off again this year then !!

**ImAGeek**

Some cracking pics of the new models on this blog:
http://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/horus-heresy-weekender-2016-part-1.html

**MacMuckles**

The under-slung missile launcher looks so stupid and so awesome

**aka_mythos**

MacMuckles wrote:
The under-slung missile launcher looks so stupid and so awesome

Back in the Rogue Trader days, thats how chaos' missile launchers were like.

**BrookM**

Ooh, dice! Here's hoping for some Solar Auxilia themed ones somewhere down the line.

**zedmeister**

**Matt.Kingsley**

Dorn lost Unwieldy on his weapon. Rejoice IF players!

Spoiler:

**shade1313**

zedmeister wrote:
Good god...

Spoiler:

Holy crap in a hat!

That, and so many more of the things that have popped up. Thousand Sons are going to make me so very, very poor. I am loving more and more of the Mechanicum stuff, there's lots I may pick up just to build and paint, even if I never do a Mechanicum army.

And I'm starting to come around on the Stormbird. Still aerodynamically ridiculous, still going to be an enormous pain in the butt to put together, but my Thousand Sons need one.

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commander dante wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
My Dark Mechanicum! My beating heart! My poor poor wallet! That Macrocarid! That Porphyrion! That Protodrone!

And I was all set for Alphas as my allied astartes... but that Iron Warriors bot... gah! It's so sexy!

Why not have the best of both worlds?
Take Alpha Legion and use the Coils of the Hydra RoW
Then take the bots as your 'Rewards of Treason'
These guys would be scary if they were close to you first turn...

I...oh, my goodness.

I hadn't thought of that, although I should have. Yes, yes my Alpha Legion WILL have these. If possible.

**Requizen**

Is that AdMech flyer thing the precursor to the Blight Drone? Same shape and smaller but similar engines.

**Alpharius**

Sure looks that way!

**BrookM**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Dorn lost Unwieldy on his weapon. Rejoice IF players!

Spoiler:

While this is good I see that they are still keeping the bolter as a salvo weapon, which is a shame, as Dorn still can't shoot and charge.

**Nocturnus**

FW knocks it out of the park again. Pity GW can't seem to follow suit.

**RGilbert26**

Just thought I'd chime in and say that the Mastodon will not be released anytime soon.

When the guys who mass produce all FW models received it they immediately sent it back to the modellers asking them to redesign it as it is too complicated to mass produce.

**aka_mythos**

RGilbert26 wrote:
Just thought I'd chime in and say that the Mastodon will not be released anytime soon.

When the guys who mass produce all FW models received it they immediately sent it back to the modellers asking them to redesign it as it is too complicated to mass produce.

For what it's worth they tags with display for the Mastadon said April... Given what your saying that may simply have been the original plan.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Legion RoW (excluding BA, WS and DA) via the Australian 30K Heresy Community Facebook Group

Spoiler:

**BrookM**

Will need to read the full uncondensed bits, but Salamanders causing Fear is a big deal.

**Paradigm**

Just checking, we've had nothing on the Shattered Legions rules yet, have we?

**bubber**

Need those DG dice, a leviathan dread, & a bunch of those new pattern MLs!

**ImAGeek**

From Garro on the heresy30k forum:

next info dump: shattered legions, Black shields and dark compliances

shattered legions

[*]must use legiones crusade army list[/*]
[*]must contain at least two different legions or more[/*]
[*]to take legion exclusive units, you must take a HQ choice from that legion[/*]
[*]can't take primarchs or legiones(black shield) units[/*]
[*]must declare if traitors or loyalists before game starts[/*]
[*]while the warlord is alive, all legions in the force treat each other as sworn brothers, once the warlord dies, all legions treat each other as distrusted allies[/*]
[*]no shattered legion units are denial[/*]
[*]can use any generic rite of war, and has 3 rites of war for shattered legions, may also use the legion exclusive rites of the legion the warlord belongs to[/*]
[*]certain legiones astartes rules are completely ignored (due to rules issues). list is proved in the rules. not going to bother repeating it here.[/*]
[*]certain legiones astartes rules carry over to all friendly shattered legion units in the same detachment, list proved in rules[/*]
[*]one rite of war is isstvan 5 survivors which makes tactical veterans troops, all marines gain hatred(traitor legions) and slay the warlord confers D3 VP rather than one. however must take 3 HQs, 1 iron hands, 1 raven guard and a salamander[/*]
[*]other is for the traitors that hunted them down, recon squads are regular troops and seeker squads become non-compulsory troops, wiping out enemy units confer additional VP to regular mission objectives, D3 VPs if wiped out through a sweeping advance. also when rolling a 6 to outflank, you may choose any side, not just left or right.[/*]
[*]the third rite of war, is actually one of the white scars which shattered legions can use as their own. will cover that one when i do the new legions.[/*]

army of dark compliance

[*]primary detachment is made up of any units from legion crusade or the militia/cult army list[/*]
[*]must contain at least a single praetor or centurion (including consuls) and they are the warlord[/*]
[*]must be traitors[/*]
[*]may not use rites of war[/*]
[*]legiones astartes rules do not carry over to militia[/*]
[*]units are counted as being from the same army list, so may share transports benefit from warlord traits .etc[/*]
[*]may not have more unit choices from legions than militia.[/*]
[*]may not take a discipline cadre (that's what the marines are for)[/*]
[*]legion astartes gain +1 to cover saves if shot at through a militia unit, however said unit takes D3 wounds with no AP value[/*]
[*]any militia unit may take the 'disposable' rule for free (don't confer victory points for being killed) but are no longer scoring.[/*]

Black shields

[*]is a new version of the legiones astartes rule, and uses the standard legion crusade army list[/*]
[*]adds +1 to the roll to see who goes first[/*]
[*]are 'by the emperors/horus's command' allies to legions, and fellow warriors to non-legion army lists[/*]
[*]may not take praetors, command squads, tactical squads, drop pods, dreadnought drop pods or deathstorm drop pods[/*]
[*]can't use rites of war, but can use the alternative FoCs.[/*]
[*]may only take a single consul of any kind[/*]
[*]must have more vehicles than infantry units[/*]

may take one or none of the following collections of rules

[*]gain FNP(6+) but must pass a leadership test to end the movement phase further away from a visible enemy unit then they started. if test is failed they move D6" towards the closest enemy unit they can see[/*]
[*]gain +1 leadership and rerolls 1s to hit while within 6" of another friendly blackshield unit, however they may not use the leadership value of other models and suffer D3 casualties if they fail a leadership test in the assault phase in addition to other effects. characters gain preferred enemy instead and can not take chaplains nor ally with other astartes[/*]
[*]up to half of the infantry units without a dedicated transport gains deep strike but suffers D3 casualties if mishaps in addition to other effects, may take additional wargear options, characters may take rad grenades, after half of the blackshield units have been killed, each turn after, each unit must pass a leadership test or be removed from play[/*]
[*]may choose one of the following options but may not take allies
option 1: +1 str, +1 toughness, -1I, -1" to charge range, may not sweeping advance
option 2: +1ws, +1bs, -2ld
option 3: gains fear, fleet and rage, -1bs [/*]
[*]black shields may take a range of replacement wargear options called 'pariah' each confers a bonus over the original wargear, but has a negative attachment as well. won't list them here.[/*]
[*]may take a blackshield reaver lord, basically a speical praetor with different wargear options, all the basics are there, plus the pariah gear and some others, while some 'fancy' praetor gear isn't.[/*]
[*]black shields have a named character called 'nemean reaver' who is believed to be a former dark angel, may also be taken as a knight errant and replaces his blackshield special rules for the knight errant rules for a price.[/*]
[*]main basic squad is the 'marauders' 5-20 basic marines with lots of basic options and 1in5 can take special/heavy weapons[/*]

knights errant

[*]nathaniel garro is as his pdf, only for note, the knights errant can be taken by any loyalist army, not just legiones astartes.[/*]
[*]tylos rubio is pretty much a librarian consul with the knights errant wargear and special rules, (mastery level 2). takes his powers from deviation and telekinesis, may re-roll failed psychic tests when rolling for divi powers. also has an ability, where any left over warp charge in your pool, gives him +1str for each warp charge to a maximum of str10. warp charge don't carry over between turns.[/*]
[*]build a knight is here, mostly basic options but everything is mastercrafted by default. may upgrade to a libby for usual consul price, may also take a selection of extra gear like narthecium, nuncio-vox or servo arm (gains battlesmith at the same time). has all the same rules as garro and rubio (by falsehood cloaked, oaths of moment, etc)[/*]

will cover the blood angels, white scars and dark angel rules next. then post all the new characters and generic units after that. BTW only dealing with book 6 for now. will cover the 'age of darkness legions' changes once i've finished with book 6.

**Swampmist**

ok, how do I select single posts to get a URL from, I want to post that dump to a FB group I'm in