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Today I was playing a game against orks and the player had a squadron of 3 kill kanz and a BM with a KFF and it was only within range of one killkan. He said that if it was within 6" of 1 kan then the whole unit counted as obscured. Is this correct?






-Orkishly

orkishlyorkish wrote:Today I was playing a game against orks and the player had a squadron of 3 kill kanz and a BM with a KFF and it was only within range of one killkan. He said that if it was within 6" of 1 kan then the whole unit counted as obscured. Is this correct?

No, he has to be in range of 2 kanz. Squadrons of vehicles follow BOTH sets of cover rules. If 50% of the unit is Obscured (by having 50% covered or an effect says they are obscured like the KFF) then the whole squadron gets the cover save.

That's what I said but he said that because the codex says:

Pg 34 Ork Codex " The Kustom Force Field gives all units within 6" a 5+ Cover save. Vehicles within 6" count as being obscured."
He says that because it says all units, this applies to vehicles to.

orkishlyorkish wrote:That's what I said but he said that because the codex says:

Pg 34 Ork Codex " The Kustom Force Field gives all units within 6" a 5+ Cover save. Vehicles within 6" count as being obscured."
He says that because it says all units, this applies to vehicles to.

Oh I see where you are getting at. Yes if 1 kan is in 6" he will in fact get a 5+ Cover save. A lot of people forget (hell I just did there for a second) that the KFF actually now gives vehicles 2 cover saves, one of 5+ for being a unit, and one of 4+ for being obscured.

In this case, the Kanz Unit will get a 5+ Cover save as part of the KFF special ability, but cannot get the 4+ because not more than half the Squadron is Obscured/In Cover.

Of course there are those who claim that with the way cover works now you have to have 50.01% of the unit within 6" to get the cover save, but you can kick them in the nuts for being morons, because that's not how it works

Gwar! wrote:

orkishlyorkish wrote:Today I was playing a game against orks and the player had a squadron of 3 kill kanz and a BM with a KFF and it was only within range of one killkan. He said that if it was within 6" of 1 kan then the whole unit counted as obscured. Is this correct?

No, he has to be in range of 2 kanz. Squadrons of vehicles follow BOTH sets of cover rules. If 50% of the unit is Obscured (by having 50% covered or an effect says they are obscured like the KFF) then the whole squadron gets the cover save.

Yeah, Gwar! is correct (surprise surprise)... if say 1 of the 3 kanz is within the 6" of the KFF, that ONE kan has the save. However, as less than 50% of the unit are in "cover" (from the KFF) the UNIT won't get the 4+ save until it's down to 2 or less kanz,.

EDIT: Yeah, what Gwar's second post also said...

Eight Ball wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

orkishlyorkish wrote:Today I was playing a game against orks and the player had a squadron of 3 kill kanz and a BM with a KFF and it was only within range of one killkan. He said that if it was within 6" of 1 kan then the whole unit counted as obscured. Is this correct?

No, he has to be in range of 2 kanz. Squadrons of vehicles follow BOTH sets of cover rules. If 50% of the unit is Obscured (by having 50% covered or an effect says they are obscured like the KFF) then the whole squadron gets the cover save.

Yeah, Gwar! is correct (surprise surprise)... if say 1 of the 3 kanz is within the 6" of the KFF, that ONE kan has the save. However, as less than 50% of the unit are in "cover" (from the KFF) the UNIT won't get the save until it's down to 2 or less kanz.

True, that ONE kan gets the 4+ Cover save (because it counts as obscured), the other 2 only get a 5+ because 50% of the unit is not obscured.

wow I can't even edit my posts in time to beat the glorious rules knowledge of gwar...

Eight Ball wrote:wow I can't even edit my posts in time to beat the glory of gwar...

Nope. MY VOICE GIVES ME SUPER STRENGTH!

Ok I mean Unemployment due to GLOBAL FEST gives me too much time on my hands.

Super-Gwar! to the rescue again!