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So I was at a GW the other day picking up some paints. I was watching a game between an ork player and marine player. What went down was the following. Big mob of boys gets tank shocked by rhino it moved 6", ork player passes moral test and then declares death or glory with his powerclawed nob. The nob succeed in immobilizing the rhino. The argument that ensued was the marine player saying that even though that single model declared death and glory, all the other models of the unit should have moved aside even though the tank was successfully stopped. The ork player countered by saying that wasn't true and that if the tank is stopped in its tracks then no models in the unit have to move. I tend to agree with the ork player myself. Because of the nifty little diagram in the rulebook under tank shock. The marine player grabbed a copy of the book and read the death or glory rules. From his interpretation he claims that only the nob doesn't move but the rest of the models do. The redshirts were less then helpful. to say the least. Sorry if I'm not explaining this properly its a little confusing. So I thought I'd ask you guys which interpretation is correct.

1) If the tank is stopped none of the orks move.

2) If the tank is stopped all the orks but the death or glory nob move.

This marine player really wanted to flame those orks.

You only move if you fail a moral test or the tank stops in the middle of your unit. Otherwise they stay still.

yeah thats what I thought, but I wanted to make sure.

Extracts from TANK SHOCK!
"If the test is passed the unit will simply let the tank move through, as if it was not there." ... "If some enemy models in the enemy unit would end up under the vehicle when it reaches its final position, these models must be moved out of the way by the shortest distance, leaving at least 1" between them and the vehicle and maintaining unit coherency"

First off the Nob would have to be in the way of the Rhino in order to death or glory.

depending how far the Nob was from the rhino if there were any boyz in the way between the rhino and the nob they would have to get out the way and the rhino stops 1 inch from the nob.


This brings up my second point. Too many people dont realize that the model doing the Death or glory has to be in the path of the Tank. Its so easy to avoid models that can hurt the tank.

If your intention is to try to make the unit flee than just clip the unit. hit models that cant hurt the tank. If your intention is to move them off an objective then try to move in such a way as to avoid the models that can hurt the tank in death or glory and still move in a straight line.

What mrdabba said.

@ mrdabba

can you provide any proof to substantiate what you are saying?

I was not aware that you could only DoG with models that would actually be in the path of the tank shocking vehicle

Its in the first line of the DoG rules ... "one of its models in the vehicle's path can stand and attempt to destroy it rather than move out of the way"

The rule book is quite clear about it.

Translated as exact as possbile for me from german rulebook:

"When a unit passes its morale test, a single model of the unit, that would usually move to avoid the tank, may instead stay where it is and try to destroy the vehicle."

Well, it isn't that clear in english language, but in german it clearly states that the single model is meant with the "that would usually move to avoid the tank" appendage and NOT the whole unit.


Postscriptum: Ha, Tri was faster and had the original text...damn.

it all depends on reading it where you put the emphasis. I believe the clause "that would usually move..." is explaining the unit and not the single model.

i believe also that my interpretation is more in line with the rules since most action involve unit on unit instead of effects on individual models. so when you choose to tank shock a unit/squad any member may choose the DoG and risk their lives for their comrades...

has this been FAQ'd???

Deuce11 wrote:it all depends on reading it where you put the emphasis.

It really doesn't.

If it was referring specifically to one model from the unit that has to move, or in the vehicle's path, you would have a point.

As is, it specifically refers to a model in the vehicle's path.

So the only models who can DoG are models in the vehicle's path.

Tri wrote:Its in the first line of the DoG rules ... "one of its models in the vehicle's path can stand and attempt to destroy it rather than move out of the way"

Even though the translated german extract isn't super-clear (which is understandable), the above is perfectly clear.