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I'd be willing to bet you a full army that the Sisters of Battle will get a release after Forgeworld does their take on the Sisters of Silence. Their Mechanicum stuff is very popular, and a few months later, a Mechanicus book comes out. I have no doubt that the 40k team looked at the success of FW's kits and "copied" it over, especially since the fluff is already there. The Sisters will go the same way.

 Guildsman wrote:
I'd be willing to bet you a full army that the Sisters of Battle will get a release after Forgeworld does their take on the Sisters of Silence. Their Mechanicum stuff is very popular, and a few months later, a Mechanicus book comes out. I have no doubt that the 40k team looked at the success of FW's kits and "copied" it over, especially since the fluff is already there. The Sisters will go the same way.

That's actually a really good point, FW seems to sometimes be the test-bed for niche products, and GW hasn't shied away from borrowing some of their best sellers. Are there any rumors about the Sisters of Silence currently?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

migooo wrote:


The Solitare had rules in the Citadel Journal as I remember so maybe a shorter time. The Skitari I'm not sure if they had anything in the Codex Imperialis.

Either way they've been waiting longer than Sisters to be playable again. I'm all for an update but I won't knock others who deserve the love too.

I love SoB too it's just I can have cool new AM figures. And RH heroines that do look really cool. But yeah I really would go all out on a GW SoB army

 Accolade wrote:

 Guildsman wrote:
I'd be willing to bet you a full army that the Sisters of Battle will get a release after Forgeworld does their take on the Sisters of Silence. Their Mechanicum stuff is very popular, and a few months later, a Mechanicus book comes out. I have no doubt that the 40k team looked at the success of FW's kits and "copied" it over, especially since the fluff is already there. The Sisters will go the same way.

That's actually a really good point, FW seems to sometimes be the test-bed for niche products, and GW hasn't shied away from borrowing some of their best sellers. Are there any rumors about the Sisters of Silence currently?

All we know so far is that they will be in the Prospero book along with Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, and the Custodes.

Personally, I do not expect to see a full army of the Sisters of Silence or the Custodes in that book. I would expect something more along the lines of a single unit entry and/or character, something even more basic than the Ordo Reductor list in HH1.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Guildsman wrote:
I'd be willing to bet you a full army that the Sisters of Battle will get a release after Forgeworld does their take on the Sisters of Silence. Their Mechanicum stuff is very popular, and a few months later, a Mechanicus book comes out. I have no doubt that the 40k team looked at the success of FW's kits and "copied" it over, especially since the fluff is already there. The Sisters will go the same way.

That's actually a really good point, FW seems to sometimes be the test-bed for niche products, and GW hasn't shied away from borrowing some of their best sellers. Are there any rumors about the Sisters of Silence currently?

All we know so far is that they will be in the Prospero book along with Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, and the Custodes.

Personally, I do not expect to see a full army of the Sisters of Silence or the Custodes in that book. I would expect something more along the lines of a single unit entry and/or character, something even more basic than the Ordo Reductor list in HH1.

Didn't they say recently it was unlikely that they would do them or have I got my wires crossed?

migooo wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Guildsman wrote:
I'd be willing to bet you a full army that the Sisters of Battle will get a release after Forgeworld does their take on the Sisters of Silence. Their Mechanicum stuff is very popular, and a few months later, a Mechanicus book comes out. I have no doubt that the 40k team looked at the success of FW's kits and "copied" it over, especially since the fluff is already there. The Sisters will go the same way.

That's actually a really good point, FW seems to sometimes be the test-bed for niche products, and GW hasn't shied away from borrowing some of their best sellers. Are there any rumors about the Sisters of Silence currently?

All we know so far is that they will be in the Prospero book along with Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, and the Custodes.

Personally, I do not expect to see a full army of the Sisters of Silence or the Custodes in that book. I would expect something more along the lines of a single unit entry and/or character, something even more basic than the Ordo Reductor list in HH1.

Didn't they say recently it was unlikely that they would do them or have I got my wires crossed?

Wires crossed. Sisters of Silence are going to be in Inferno.

"Red Date" is the name given to the little outings Khârn and Angron used to take together. It was a different time, a better time, but now Angron is a Daemon Prince he just doesn't have time for Khârn anymore. The Betrayer understands, but each week he lights a single candle and sheds a single tear in memory of the special bond they once shared.

I still think the plastic sleeves stuff is utter nonsense. If a product was going to be made and something so silly was the only barrier, either it would be solved (find a way to work it into the model) or removed (just don't give them the stupid sleeves, then).

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
"Red Date" is the name given to the little outings Khârn and Angron used to take together. It was a different time, a better time, but now Angron is a Daemon Prince he just doesn't have time for Khârn anymore. The Betrayer understands, but each week he lights a single candle and sheds a single tear in memory of the special bond they once shared.

Well, that was my second guess too...

 Frozen Ocean wrote:


I still think the plastic sleeves stuff is utter nonsense. If a product was going to be made and something so silly was the only barrier, either it would be solved (find a way to work it into the model) or removed (just don't give them the stupid sleeves, then).

Well, yeah, and since when has such a thing as a 'bad design' bothered GW, anyway

It's ancient history, anyways. The sleeves thing might have been an open question during that particular time in the design process, but they've had years to solve it. Not that it means that the Sisters are going to be released at any point, though - they might have done some concept/design work 'for later use' and it's sitting in the vault still.

 Guildsman wrote:
I'd be willing to bet you a full army that the Sisters of Battle will get a release after Forgeworld does their take on the Sisters of Silence. Their Mechanicum stuff is very popular, and a few months later, a Mechanicus book comes out. I have no doubt that the 40k team looked at the success of FW's kits and "copied" it over, especially since the fluff is already there. The Sisters will go the same way.

Yep, FW acts as a good 'tryout' market for GW - the whole point of FW is to make kits that might not sell enough to warrant a full GW development/manufacture investment. If something sells better than expected, they can then port it to 40k lineup. In fact, I think we can make some timeline estimations based on how AdMech went from FW->GW product line.. When did the first AdMech models by FW appear?

I am still of the opinion that, following the Chapterhouse debacle, GW is more-sensitive to the actions of other studios in the market than ever before, and the Sisters of Eternal Mercy are now a 3+ year-old rumor from Raging Heroes... and a rumor that is in the process of becoming reality.

You don't think people are forking over cash to RH for Dark Elves & Sisters? They damn sure are. If I had the scratch, I'd be pledging $200+ for the KS. I think the only reason TGG2 is not as big as TGG1 is that the latter has taken so very long to be completed that people (like me) are waiting on having all their models from the first KS before pledging to this one.

All that said, an SOB update rumor is... fairly viable. They're not doing it for the fans, of course, no, GW doesn't give a damn there... they're doing it because they've been watching other companies eat their lunch on both model and rules sales.

I know the aesthetic of RH doesn't appeal to people, but if another studio rolled out a less-cheesecake "NotSisters" line, I can guarantee you that you'd see lots of those on 40K tables. Pretty sure that GW is aware of this, too.

For me? At this point, while I hope GW rolls out an awesome Sisters update, I won't be buying it... not the models, anyway. It's been too long already, I'm not super-pleased with the latest book (it's alright, it's not terrible, but it's also not all that great) and I don't really want to reward GW for mediocrity.

If GW comes out with a cool new unit, something that I can't viably replace with products from another studio, like a cool Church-Walker or a War-Cathedral (on tracks), then I might pick those up, sure... but that's a big "might".

My view on this, and for the rumours in general, is that they might, *might* do a sensible thing, and bring out a new Codex first, with some pretty "decent" rules. Hopefully not pure OP, but this is GW....

Once that one is out, and they rules are quite OP, you'd get massive sale of any new plastic kit (if they did not sell-out already).

Not too Far-fetched as that is pretty much what they're doing with AdMech. Question is, will that port over to Adepta Sororitas?

If you think about it the sleeve going different directions can easily be explained away as too much hairspray used on their hair permanently locked the robes in odd positions. That or too much starch in the laundry, hence sister Olivia in the penitent engine .

The way they can pack sprues these days, there ought to be enough sleeve angles to satisfy any modelling need. Most of your S0B would be assembled with both hands holding that damn bolter, though, that takes care of most of your squads.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
The way they can pack sprues these days, there ought to be enough sleeve angles to satisfy any modelling need. Most of your S0B would be assembled with both hands holding that damn bolter, though, that takes care of most of your squads.

Exactly. Would anyone believe GW if they said they couldn't update Space Marines (but they really, really want to!) because they couldn't get the purity seals to hang realistically on a plastic model? They've had approximately twenty billion years to solve this issue and we're only (once again) at the tenuous rumour stage. They could have said "Sisters are not economically viable at this time" or something and everyone would have just accepted it, but nonsense excuses like plastic sleeves are just insulting if they're going to be used as a defense for why they, as much as they want to do Sisters, haven't in all this time.

I think more to the point Jes Goodwin (?) said the robes/hair was the issue when asked 7 or 8 years ago which may well have been the reason then,

there just hasn't been any other real info on why not subsequently so we (in the ill defined internet sense) keep repeating it

Looking at the Harlequins and now Ad Mech they have got flappy coats/robes with sleeves sorted out now, so from a technical point they are viable,

hopefully they also think they are from a financial point of view (or are desperate enough to roll the dice and see), but again with Miletarum Temerstus, Knights, Harlequins and Ad Mech they are willing to try stepping outside the traditional books things seem more positive for the chances of actual new sisters kit than they have since GW stopped doing new metal minis

 Psienesis wrote:
I am still of the opinion that, following the Chapterhouse debacle, GW is more-sensitive to the actions of other studios in the market than ever before, and the Sisters of Eternal Mercy are now a 3+ year-old rumor from Raging Heroes...

I know the aesthetic of RH doesn't appeal to people, but if another studio rolled out a less-cheesecake "NotSisters" line, I can guarantee you that you'd see lots of those on 40K tables.

Raging Heroes TGG2 is underway and funded. RH not-Sisters will be hitting the shelves a year (or two) from now.

DreamForge Games non-cheescake not-Sisters have shipped to backers, hitting retail April 2015:

Wow. You could almost just put a powerpack on those, change the helmet, give em' bolters and you're done.

People do. Change the heads and swap Bolters, and yup, not-Sisters.

GW scientists are still wrestling with the 'bob cut matrix'.

I think it's pretty clear that GW is more than capable of producing excellent SoB plastics. Other than female heads even just the Skitarii release covers most of the elements of a SoB model (mix of armor and cloth with undercuts).

The next big question is how much the RH TGG 2 kickstarter will effect the possibility of sob being released. As they are currently the closest not-sob there are out there.

Depends on how well-known their stuff actually is. Also, their aesthetics are different to sisters. They look more like female marines or nazi stormtroopers in space than war-nuns. Considering the ammount of conversion you'd have to do to get them looking more like sisters, you could start with pretty much any other human sci-fi model out there.

It wasn't just the sleeves it was the sleeves and the hair. The sculptor wanted to be able to mix any head and body and the problem was, IIRC, that some heads had hair going one way and others the other way but the sleeves could go either direction as well so that if you made the wrong/right combination you would have the hair going one way and the sleeves the other.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
It wasn't just the sleeves it was the sleeves and the hair. The sculptor wanted to be able to mix any head and body and the problem was, IIRC, that some heads had hair going one way and others the other way but the sleeves could go either direction as well so that if you made the wrong/right combination you would have the hair going one way and the sleeves the other.

And that is a problem exactly how? Hair blowing to the left while cape/sleeves blowing to the right or what? Geee... that obvious flaw would be the death of any 28mm infantry model...

 fox-light713 wrote:
The next big question is how much the RH TGG 2 kickstarter will effect the possibility of sob being released. As they are currently the closest not-sob there are out there.

"Currently" the closest? The stuff from kickstarter #1 isnt even delivered! Maybe in a few years they'll be the current not-sob

 fox-light713 wrote:
The next big question is how much the RH TGG 2 kickstarter will effect the possibility of sob being released.

It's showing GW that there is demand, but the thing is, it only looks like $100k out of $500k (because there are 5 armies). Even if it was $250k or $400k that we could count as notSisters, that's probably not a big number to GW. Why, that barely covers a tender for one of Tom Kirby's yachts.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 fox-light713 wrote:
The next big question is how much the RH TGG 2 kickstarter will effect the possibility of sob being released.

It's showing GW that there is demand, but the thing is, it only looks like $100k out of $500k (because there are 5 armies). Even if it was $250k or $400k that we could count as notSisters, that's probably not a big number to GW. Why, that barely covers a tender for one of Tom Kirby's yachts.

You forget, that is only what? A single kit? if GW does it, they can do a couple kits and a huge LoW monstertankflyer and they'll charge 250% of what any reasonable company would. That's not only a tender, that may be even the marina fee for a year right there!

Let's also not forget that this is just a KS, not people who are going to come along a year from now, see the sets and say "I want two boxes of those troops, those four Heroes, and six of those bikes" and so forth for whatever project they have going on.

For myself and my group, since we do a lot more RPGs than wargaming these days, the draw for us is mainly in the characters, while boxes of troops (regardless of source) are mostly used for nameless mooks that are supporting one faction or another in whatever RPG we're playing.

And, let me tell you, a lot of the TGG1 Troops work really well for Cyberpunk street-gangs, while the various Characters already have my group planning an Only War campaign.

Didn't the latest Sisters codex sell surprisingly well? It was at the top of the best seller list for a while, even (which normally isn't saying much but I'd think that's impressive for a niche gaming codex)

I always found the "There are modelling issues" thing from GW to be a rather dubious excuse. What's so different about the sisters that makes them harder to cast than anything else? The boobs? (can't be that or else they'd have that same issue with daemonettes and certain dark Eldar)

Clearly it's the fact that GW can't sculpt women's faces

kWho cares when the helmet they designed for the Sisters look so cool?