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Search came up nil for this, so here's an interesting question I just stumbled upon.

My friends and I have always played BT thunder hammers as normal thunder hammers, but upon rereading the codex, I came upon a difference in wording that might drastically change the way BT thunder hammers work:

"...any model wounded by it [the thunder hammer] and not killed may not attack again until Initiative 1 blows are struck in the next Assault phase."

Given the past tense of "blows are struck," I'm curious, do BT thunder hammers make you strike again at an effective I0 - that is to say, after I1 models attack?

I'm just looking for a RAW answer here, it's probably nothing and not particularly game breaking.

Xca|iber wrote:Search came up nil for this, so here's an interesting question I just stumbled upon.

My friends and I have always played BT thunder hammers as normal thunder hammers, but upon rereading the codex, I came upon a difference in wording that might drastically change the way BT thunder hammers work:

"...any model wounded by it [the thunder hammer] and not killed may not attack again until Initiative 1 blows are struck in the next Assault phase."

Given the past tense of "blows are struck," I'm curious, do BT thunder hammers make you strike again at an effective I0 - that is to say, after I1 models attack?

I'm just looking for a RAW answer here, it's probably nothing and not particularly game breaking.

You can indeed interpret it like that, similar to how DH Thunderhammers can.

How very intriguing. I'll see if I can get my group to play that way

Not that anything my THs touch actually survives to the next round of combat.

Just be forewarned that the alternate reading (with 'until' meaning 'at such time as') of the model striking at I1 is an equally valid interpretation (and, in my experience, a more common one-- although, like you said, most things don't survive a knock with a TH).

I would read that to mean they strike at the I1 turn of the combat. I would only say they struck after I1 if it said 'may not attack again until Initiative 1 blows have been struck'.

From the responses I take it this has been argued already.

I agree with the interpretation argued by kartofelkopf and Soup and a roll. For what it's worth.

Soup and a roll wrote:I would read that to mean they strike at the I1 turn of the combat. I would only say they struck after I1 if it said 'may not attack again until Initiative 1 blows have been struck'.

From the responses I take it this has been argued already.

I agree with this. "...until Initiative 1 blows are struck" implies that the striking of blows is still an ongoing action when you are able to attack; "...until Initiative 1 blows have been struck" would imply that the blows have finished their striking.

That said, it's still a bit ambiguous, and my knowledge of tenses isn't all that great, so it's probably something you'll have to clear up with your opponent.

I'm with Cheexsta.

"not attack again until Initiative 1 blows are struck" is in the present tense, not the past. So, you'd ask, "Are Initiative 1 blows being struck?" and if the answer is yes, then they can attack.