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i like the sound of that Xyclon, its a general DA librarian power aswell, cant make it too good =]

Righto after a week and more playtesting we have a few more units.

Deathwing Vanguard Sqaud (5 Man) 300pts 0-1
WS 4
BS 4
S 4
T 4
W 1
I 4
A 2
LD 10
SV 2+/5++
Wargear: May Take TH/SS or Twin LC at no extra cost
May take Relic Blades at 10 pts per model, these may be combined with SS, may take up to 2 Heavy flamers at 5pts each:Each HF replaces either a Single LC OR a TH
Special Rules: If the unit DS, it may assault on the turn it enters, this unit may never be part of the first wave of DW assault
Fearless

Deathwing Sternguard Sqaud (5 man) 270pts 0-1
WS 4
BS 4
S 4
T 4
W 1
I 4
A 2
LD 10
SV 2+/5++
Wargear: Special ammunition: all special ammuniton becomes assault 2, otherwise the same as C:SM
power weapons. May Take Up to 2 assault cannons at 30pts each:Each AC Replace's a Single storm bolter
special rules: Fearless

Deathwing Terminator sqaud (5 man) 210 pts
As is currently, But may take 2 HW

during the playtest, we found the DW Sternguard sqaud was very good vs certain armies and bad vs others, so 270 was fair
the DW Vanguard sqaud was very nasty vs almost everything, so we limited it to 0-1 and it cannot take part in DW assault to ballance it out

Special thanks to Xyon, for noticing stuff i didnt

I like the vanguard rules, not being able to assault after deep striking is the biggest weakness of deepstriking assault terminators. I'd probably add the option for the sternguard to take 2 weapon upgrades for the squad (assault cannon, cml, hf)

i wanted to give them heavy weapons, but when we did that NO one took normal or vanguard termies, just sternguard :(

We also decided to allow DW termies to be taken as a Heavy support unit
they may take up to 4 HW, this may sound OP but here is how much the normal unit would cost


205 for 5 men
30pts per cyclone
325 for 1 5 man unit, with 5++ or 2+sv

But if they're 0-1 choice for the sternguard termi's people would have to take regular termi's in a DW army. Even with the 2 weapons.

we have tried out the Extra weapons in a game tonight, it really cemented the Sternguard termies as anti-infantry by giving them acess to Ass cannons, it also was mentioned that the Vanguard should be able to take heavy flamers, this has been added also

Cool, does the vanguard squad come equipped with their close combat weapons and a heavy flamer? Or do they get power fist and heavy flamer?

they can be equiped with TH/SS or LC, or upgrade to have relic blades, the H flamer is a 5 point upgrade

I understand that, but does the heavy flamer replace any of their gear, or is it ontop of their gear is what I was asking. It doesnt really say in the entry you posted

ah, good point xyclon, i will update it now

also, xyclon?

i have dyslexia ( Love my auto spellchecker) and sometimes i see or dont see letters in a word, sorry dude will correct it

Thats fine, I just found it odd you made the same spelling error a couple times, xyon just seems so different from xyclon and I dont see how it would have been a regular typo.

I had an idea for dreadnaughts, why not combine venerable and ironclad into an av13 venerable with a mix of options, and maybe a shoulder mounted cyclone missile launcher