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Except they used to be a small, elite section of a force. Now there seems to be more of them than there are Guardsmen.

I say go for it. As long as your opponent knows what list you're using he can feth himself if he doesn't find your army fluff enough. That being said, the 21st founding is a good way of having Chaos GK... there is nothing in the fluff that says there wasn't an attempt to make another GK chapter during the 21st founding. And there is no official record of how many chapters were created during the 21st, either. It's entirely plausible to assume anyone involved with a GK decendant chapter that turned to Chaos would have been extra-purged to hide the GKs shameful, shameful secret. Heck, the GK themselves might not even know of the traitor chapter at all.

And if GKs are incorruptible, why did they need to slaughter Sisters and bathe in their blood to avoid being corrupted by Chaos? Sounds rather Khorne-y to me... Frankly, I think you should ditch the Slaanesh idea (much as I love Slaanesh) and go with Khorne GKs. After all, there's fluff to support it in the GK codex...

Kroothawk wrote:Chaos Eldar

Those actually exist within the context of established 40k fluff. See: Crone World Eldar.

squidhills wrote:I say go for it. As long as your opponent knows what list you're using he can feth himself if he doesn't find your army fluff enough. That being said, the 21st founding is a good way of having Chaos GK... there is nothing in the fluff that says there wasn't an attempt to make another GK chapter during the 21st founding. And there is no official record of how many chapters were created during the 21st, either. It's entirely plausible to assume anyone involved with a GK decendant chapter that turned to Chaos would have been extra-purged to hide the GKs shameful, shameful secret. Heck, the GK themselves might not even know of the traitor chapter at all.

Yeah, go with that. It's improbable, considering the nature of the progenitor, but it's not against fluff AFAIK.

And if GKs are incorruptible, why did they need to slaughter Sisters and bathe in their blood to avoid being corrupted by Chaos? Sounds rather Khorne-y to me... Frankly, I think you should ditch the Slaanesh idea (much as I love Slaanesh) and go with Khorne GKs. After all, there's fluff to support it in the GK codex...

This bit is wrong through. I suggest you go back and read the dex. It outright states on page 4 that they're immune to corruption.

iproxtaco wrote:Grey Knights cannot be corrupted by Chaos. At all. They can't be tricked into worshiping Chaos, or working for Chaos.

iproxtaco wrote:/quote]
This bit is wrong through. I suggest you go back and read the dex. It outright states on page 4 that they're immune to corruption.

Then why did they have to slaughter and paint their armor with the blood of the Sisters? That little fluff bit by ward opens a back door loop hole for you to exploit, because they had to sanctify their armor to resist chaos, that means they have to protect themselves from chaos, which means they can be corrupted by chaos. For if they were immune, they wouldnt need the extra protection from the sisters blood.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Grey Knights cannot be corrupted by Chaos. At all. They can't be tricked into worshiping Chaos, or working for Chaos.

iproxtaco wrote:/quote]
This bit is wrong through. I suggest you go back and read the dex. It outright states on page 4 that they're immune to corruption.

Then why did they have to slaughter and paint their armor with the blood of the Sisters? That little fluff bit by ward opens a back door loop hole for you to exploit, because they had to sanctify their armor to resist chaos, that means they have to protect themselves from chaos, which means they can be corrupted by chaos.

Maybe the blood kept them safe from the Bloodtide from simply killing them instead?

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Grey Knights cannot be corrupted by Chaos. At all. They can't be tricked into worshiping Chaos, or working for Chaos.

iproxtaco wrote:/quote]
This bit is wrong through. I suggest you go back and read the dex. It outright states on page 4 that they're immune to corruption.

Then why did they have to slaughter and paint their armor with the blood of the Sisters? That little fluff bit by ward opens a back door loop hole for you to exploit, because they had to sanctify their armor to resist chaos, that means they have to protect themselves from chaos, which means they can be corrupted by chaos. For if they were immune, they wouldnt need the extra protection from the sisters blood.

Just because they are incorruptible doesn't mean they cannot be hurt/killed by daemonic/chaotic influence. The ritual wasn't undertaken for spiritual purity, it was for physical protection.

No. It states they needed a tailismen to protect from the bloodtides taint. And it shielded them from the corruption. Exact quotes is "So shielded, the Grey Knights are able to stride through the goreflood without risk of Corruption" Pg. 15.

Not, without risk from harm, but from corruption. Meaning they can be corrupted.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Grey Knights cannot be corrupted by Chaos. At all. They can't be tricked into worshiping Chaos, or working for Chaos.

iproxtaco wrote:/quote]
This bit is wrong through. I suggest you go back and read the dex. It outright states on page 4 that they're immune to corruption.

Then why did they have to slaughter and paint their armor with the blood of the Sisters? That little fluff bit by ward opens a back door loop hole for you to exploit, because they had to sanctify their armor to resist chaos, that means they have to protect themselves from chaos, which means they can be corrupted by chaos. For if they were immune, they wouldnt need the extra protection from the sisters blood.

Yeah, Chaos does more than just corrupt you into doing what it wants. The description of the Bloodtide was minimal, which doesn't help, but it still caused physical effects, ie. causing you to turn flying rodent gak insane and attack anyone around you in rage, or, cause you to explode in a shower of gore. If the Grey Knights were immune to things like this they wouldn't need to go in with crazy psychic swords. The physical side of Chaos still effects them, they can still be chopped in half by a Blooletter, or poisoned by Nurgles diseases, but the cannot turn to Chaos or serve it in any way.

No good sir, they are incorruptible. According to pg 5. Yet need protection from corruption. Interesting. I smell a conspiracy. That Grey Knight can fall to chaos and that the inquisition is covering it *BLAM*

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:No good sir, they are incorruptible. According to pg 5. Yet need protection from corruption. Interesting. I smell a conspiracy. That Grey Knight can fall to chaos and that the inquisition is covering it *BLAM*

Or, you could go with what I've said, and spare your poor brain. Anyway, the full quote would be appreciated, because it doesn't just say "they are incorruptible".

"They are the Emperor's final boon to Mankind, an army of unfaltering and INCORRUPTIBLE warriors of forgotten science."

It all makes sense now, the guy carrying a deamon blade, deamonhosts are now allowed in their armies. Why they kill anyone who witnesses them "killing" daemons. Why drago is alive in the warp. It is now perfectly clear.



The entire chapter has fallen to chaos, and is a mole. They make deals with the deamon to make it look like they are defending the IoM when really they are plotting against it. As soon as Tzeech gives the word their going to attack Holy Terra.

iproxtaco wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Grey Knights cannot be corrupted by Chaos. At all. They can't be tricked into worshiping Chaos, or working for Chaos.

iproxtaco wrote:/quote]
This bit is wrong through. I suggest you go back and read the dex. It outright states on page 4 that they're immune to corruption.

Then why did they have to slaughter and paint their armor with the blood of the Sisters? That little fluff bit by ward opens a back door loop hole for you to exploit, because they had to sanctify their armor to resist chaos, that means they have to protect themselves from chaos, which means they can be corrupted by chaos. For if they were immune, they wouldnt need the extra protection from the sisters blood.

Yeah, Chaos does more than just corrupt you into doing what it wants. The description of the Bloodtide was minimal, which doesn't help, but it still caused physical effects, ie. causing you to turn flying rodent gak insane and attack anyone around you in rage, or, cause you to explode in a shower of gore. If the Grey Knights were immune to things like this they wouldn't need to go in with crazy psychic swords. The physical side of Chaos still effects them, they can still be chopped in half by a Blooletter, or poisoned by Nurgles diseases, but the cannot turn to Chaos or serve it in any way.

Also, they used the Sororitas blood in a mixture which they then anointed their armor and weapons with. They didn't paint their armor with fresh blood or anything like that.

I'd imagine that, needing quantities of blood that small, they asked the Sisters of Battle to draw and donate some of their blood to them. The Sororitas definitely agreed, and together they went and defeated the daemon or whatever, and the Sororitas went back to their Order, and there was much rejoicing.

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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:"They are the Emperor's final boon to Mankind, an army of unfaltering and INCORRUPTIBLE warriors of forgotten science."

It all makes sense now, the guy carrying a deamon blade, deamonhosts are now allowed in their armies. Why they kill anyone who witnesses them "killing" daemons. Why drago is alive in the warp. It is now perfectly clear.

Spoiler:

Soylent green is people!

The entire chapter has fallen to chaos, and is a mole. They make deals with the deamon to make it look like they are defending the IoM when really they are plotting against it. As soon as Tzeech gives the word their going to attack Holy Terra.

Ok then.

actually pouncy it says that their first act was to turn their blades (which means kill) on the sisters. And all jokes aside. Corrupted Grey Knights are possible thanks to matt ward.

akaean wrote:Hey guys. If you are wondering about a fluff explanation...

Fabius Bile, after witnessing the Grey Knights in action, decides that they are rather amusing. And commences creation of another strand of "enhanced chaos space marines" more capable in psychic might.

In Chaos' eternal mockery of the Imperium, Bile's "Black Knights" wear armor reminiscent of the Elite Chapter of Marines they were inspired from.

there are plenty of ways to get chaos grey knights .

Also they would just be a corrupted GK army which uses the GK rules. Same way people make traitor guard armies using the IG codex.

I feel this idea is particularly good. It isn't exactly Grey Knights fallen to chaos, but rather, er... Chaos answer to Grey Knights.
I might in fact but Grey Knights, paint them black, call them Black Knights and use them as Thousand Sons...

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:"They are the Emperor's final boon to Mankind, an army of unfaltering and INCORRUPTIBLE warriors of forgotten science."

It all makes sense now, the guy carrying a deamon blade, deamonhosts are now allowed in their armies. Why they kill anyone who witnesses them "killing" daemons. Why drago is alive in the warp. It is now perfectly clear.

Spoiler:

Soylent green is people!

The entire chapter has fallen to chaos, and is a mole. They make deals with the deamon to make it look like they are defending the IoM when really they are plotting against it. As soon as Tzeech gives the word their going to attack Holy Terra.

this is just the same thing as saying pskers use the warp so all of them are allies of the chaos gods or calgar is actually a genestealer that was how the ultramarines survived the hivefleet.....

or even to top that the emperor was a c'tan...

From a fluff perspective its really wrong. It has already been mentioned that the GK cant be corrupted but also consider how your Chaos GK would get access to all those force weapons no one else has.

Really if you want to do this, use the GK models and make a new chapter with a better name than Chaos GK. I think a lot of the flaming going on here would go away if you said "I'm going to make a new chapter called Blabla and will use the GK models for it".

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:actually pouncy it says that their first act was to turn their blades (which means kill) on the sisters. And all jokes aside. Corrupted Grey Knights are possible thanks to matt ward.

Yes, but they did that so they could get their blood to use in the mixture. You don't have to kill someone to get that small of a quantity of blood.

I reject your reality, and substitute my own.

Pouncy its not my reality, its matt wards reality, which makes it cannon.

Everytime that i see this thread I feel that I have to do this...

You should make an Imperial Demons army, paint them all gold and have those chaos demons fight for the emperor!!!

sorry, just have to do it everytime i see this...i am a bad person

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:actually pouncy it says that their first act was to turn their blades (which means kill) on the sisters. And all jokes aside. Corrupted Grey Knights are possible thanks to matt ward.

You said all jokes aside, it means you don't joke afterwards.


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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Pouncy its not my reality, its matt wards reality, which makes it cannon.

You's trollin'!

and pizza you got to read the post where i outline since they cant be corrupted, why they need to kill the sisters. long story short they can be corrupted and that the inquisitors are covering it up. Then if you go and read all the fluff in the codex it actually makes sense that the knights are all corrupted, why else would they let deamonhosts (which are deamons) in their army. Or how Drago can survive in the warp. Or why that guy carries a deamon blade.


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and no iprxtaco i'm using logic and reason to deduct that either the grey knights enjoy killing the sisters for no reason, or that they can actually be corrupted. And if they can be corrupted its a big cover up.

That's not called logic and reason...

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:and pizza you got to read the post where i outline since they cant be corrupted, why they need to kill the sisters. long story short they can be corrupted and that the inquisitors are covering it up. Then if you go and read all the fluff in the codex it actually makes sense that the knights are all corrupted, why else would they let deamonhosts (which are deamons) in their army. Or how Drago can survive in the warp. Or why that guy carries a deamon blade.


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and no iprxtaco i'm using logic and reason to deduct that either the grey knights enjoy killing the sisters for no reason, or that they can actually be corrupted. And if they can be corrupted its a big cover up.

Those words, they do not mean what you think they mean. If you used logic, then you wouldn't come to that conclusion, ergo, you're trolling, and we aren't falling for it.

The book contradicts itself.

Honestly, it does, read it with a mind of "they can be corrupted" and you'll see it everywhere.

Sanon wrote:The book contradicts itself.

Honestly, it does, read it with a mind of "they can be corrupted" and you'll see it everywhere.

Even when it directly states the opposite? Ok then. Yeah, I think, "Oh, what I thought when I started reading this book was actually wrong, who'd have thought it?".

Fact. Grey Knights cannot be corrupted.
Fact. They killed the sisters to use their blood to fight corruption.
These two facts contradict each other. Either they are incorruptible and killed the sisters for no reason (or perhaps blood for the blood god). Or they can be corrupted.
Fact They fight along side deamons.
Fact: They use deamon blades.
Fact: They have a Knight in the warp. Now if the bloodtide can corrupt a grey knight, the warp can too. So either hes now dead, or corrupted and the inquisition is covering it up or he is a super special snowflake.

My reasoning. Using the facts, especially the use of deamon allies and deamon blades, the whole chapter has fallen to chaos.

Or the knights can be corrupted, and the ones who are are executed or escape into the warp. Inquisition covers it up.

Durza wrote:Except they used to be a small, elite section of a force. Now there seems to be more of them than there are Guardsmen.

Yeah. But also, in a far more accurate sense, no. There used to be 3000 of them as of the Daemonhunters Codex. There are now 1000 of them. So they've actually gone down to 33% of their numbers...

Lets, for a minute, take anything you're saying seriously. I think the only thing to say really, is that your facts are wrong. Back again to thinking you're a huge persistent troll.