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Alpharius wrote:Anything that gives me a "Final Liberation" type of experience is quite welcome!

And.. only $10? Yes!

Agreed - will pledge tonight.

Padre^.

With an avatar like yours, you better contribute!

Pacific wrote:Does anyone know what this business is about limited edition minis being made? Is there going to be some kind of cool little 6mm game to go along with it?

d-usa wrote:From the quick look I gave it is it seems to basically be just a 6mm mini to use in your existing 6mm games.

Hi guys. Looks like you actually spotted an error on our campaign page! I've clarified the bullet list to make it more obvious what's on offer. Let me know if it's still unclear, though.

Thanks for posting, Gr00V3R, nice to have someone on the inside watching the thread! (And fixing errors based on it- even better)

notprop wrote:Yak, is there any info on gameplay? The video seemed show two opposing forces lined up opposite one another. A 40k deploy and attack affair would not be that interesting to me but I guess I'm reading too much into what was essentially a demonstration of the look of the game.

Hi there. The first teaser was deliberately kept straight-forward to reduce confusion as much as possible; as such, it shows a small game between two evenly matched sides in a tournament-style scenario.

The Gameplay Explained video attempts to describe the activation-based, interleaving style of play that the game entails, with one player activating one or more fireteams, and then passing the order opportunity back to his or her opponent. Once all players have ordered every one of their fireteams, that turn is complete and the next turn begins.

notprop wrote:The final liberation game was quite good for its time but a turnbased game now would seem like a waste of processing power or have I missed the point and it's a straight TT wargames on the computer?

Yes, it's intended to be as close to "real" tabletop gaming as we can make it.

Final Liberation is a personal fave, by the way, and still gets played now. Certainly, the absence of any kind of game like it since (I think) 1997 was a key motivator for making EW:FE.


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Orlanth wrote:Does indiegogo skim a % of pledges like kickstarter does? I might be happy to pledge towards Exodus Wars, I am less happy giving money to Amazon.com.

Hi. Yes, Indiegogo does take a percentage off the top (4%, from memory). All the crowd funding platforms seem to do that to pay for their infrastructure costs, etc.


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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:It's probably already been mentioned (or thought of) but I seem to remember the combat mission games done this a few years ago.

Combat Mission has similarities, but from memory it's not an interleaving, activation-based turn structure...?

Just a few days ago I was fondly remembering the old Epic game, and then I see this... love it, will be pledging some dosh tonight.

@ GROOV3R - thanks for he answers mate, If its anything like a pretty Final Liberation then I'll be in for a few bucks at least.

A few more questions if you dont mind since you are being so helpful.

One thing I do remember disliking about FL was that it was all very much on one level, will there be multi level buildings, terrain contours and the like?

I assume this will only include ground battles but will there be air support?

Will there be off table support like arty, orbital bombardments, air dropped assets?

Will there be a set campaign with AI to fight or is it a online 1 v 1 affair? Or both?

Sorry ill stop now.

Alpharius wrote:Anything that gives me a "Final Liberation" type of experience is quite welcome!

Pretty much this for me

notprop wrote:@ GROOV3R - thanks for he answers mate, If its anything like a pretty Final Liberation then I'll be in for a few bucks at least.

A few more questions if you dont mind since you are being so helpful.

One thing I do remember disliking about FL was that it was all very much on one level, will there be multi level buildings, terrain contours and the like?

I assume this will only include ground battles but will there be air support?

Will there be off table support like arty, orbital bombardments, air dropped assets?

Will there be a set campaign with AI to fight or is it a online 1 v 1 affair? Or both?

Sorry ill stop now.

While the multi-level question is a valid one, the rest of them I think are answered fully on their indiegogo page if you read the whole thing.

notprop wrote:One thing I do remember disliking about FL was that it was all very much on one level, will there be multi level buildings, terrain contours and the like?

I assume this will only include ground battles but will there be air support? Will there be off table support like arty, orbital bombardments, air dropped assets?

Will there be a set campaign with AI to fight or is it a online 1 v 1 affair? Or both?

The Alpha build will have LOS and elevation from things like hills and gullies.

With regard to your question about multi-level buildings, because EWFE is operating at a Brigade level, things like multi-level buildings are not as important as simply having several units occupying the building and the height of that building. We have yet to implement buildings and their elevation in the current build, but our intent is to support building occupancy and the LOS advantage provided by their height in the Core game.

Infantry and armour units, including artillery, are already in what we're calling the "minimum spec" or "Core" game.

We absolutely want to include air and orbital support (including "dropped" assets— ), as well as super-vehicles like the Behemoths (which you can already see we're tinkering with in the videos), and we want to include them sooner rather than later. Buuut...when we'll be able to include them is subject to how successful our campaign is. As you'll see on the campaign page, there are certain funding milestones we need to hit in order to be able to incorporate support for the above unit types into the current schedule.

The minimum spec Core game will ship with two limited factions (the Guild vs. the Royal Empire of Man) in a basic infantry and armour only game, so you'll need someone to play against. There will be no AI in the minimum spec game, sorry to say.

The first Stretch Goal, though—which is unlocked if we achieve $50,000—does include a simple Skirmish AI, as well as super-vehicles, aircraft and spaceship support (yes—including "dropped" assets).

So, at that funding point, you'd have two complete factions and an AI to play against, and we've committed to providing at least two battlefields.


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RiTides wrote:Thanks for posting, Gr00V3R, nice to have someone on the inside watching the thread! (And fixing errors based on it- even better)

Mate, it's the least we can do. We are just so grateful to have yakface and the DakkaDakka community behind us—it's absolutely awesome.

I love talking about EWFE and all the great stuff we want to do, so I'm very happy to field any and all questions you may have about the game.

If you hit only minimum specs, then I can see a Dakka guild forming to play against each other.

That is if we can have online opponents.

d-usa wrote:If you hit only minimum specs, then I can see a Dakka guild forming to play against each other. That is if we can have online opponents.

Yep—the minimum spec game (aka the Core game) will allow you to play online against a human opponent.

Done.

You guys know this is in the universe of their own mini game, right? Look at their company website. Though if I have a decent computer, I will purchase the game.

Hi there,

What exactly is meant by this?:

Exodus Wars Crowdfunder discount card that entitles the bearer to a 5% discount off all Exodus Wars miniatures until 30 June 2013!

Physical miniatures (presumably from Steel Crown?), DLC "miniatures" (as the other KS is offering) or something else?

scipio.au wrote:Hi there,

What exactly is meant by this?:

Exodus Wars Crowdfunder discount card that entitles the bearer to a 5% discount off all Exodus Wars miniatures until 30 June 2013!

Physical miniatures (presumably from Steel Crown?), DLC "miniatures" (as the other KS is offering) or something else?

This game doesn't sell virtual minis. It is based off of a physical minis line though, which is why one of the perks gets you an actual mini. So I'm sure this discount applies to that physical mini line.

So is this game going to be Mac/wineskin compatible??? What will need to be reached to make it compatible? That's the one thing keeping me from pledging now that I got paid and am looking to sell off some stuff!

Ditto on MAC question. Do i need to jump through hoops, or will it work "straight out of the box" as it were.

If it is straight up MAC compatible I am sold.

From their page:

The plan is to initially launch on PC and Mac and, depending on funding levels, mobile platforms like iOS and Android.

So I believe it will be PC/Mac no matter what.

yakface wrote:

scipio.au wrote:Hi there,
What exactly is meant by this?:

Exodus Wars Crowdfunder discount card that entitles the bearer to a 5% discount off all Exodus Wars miniatures until 30 June 2013!

Physical miniatures (presumably from Steel Crown?), DLC "miniatures" (as the other KS is offering) or something else?

This game doesn't sell virtual minis. It is based off of a physical minis line though, which is why one of the perks gets you an actual mini. So I'm sure this discount applies to that physical mini line.

That's what I suspect, but given the other business model being discussed on Dakka at the moment, as well as the current "Age of DLC" we're living in, I'd like to see it confirmed by the devs.

Mmmk the confirmation of it working on Mac means I just dropped $30 on it. Why not just $10? Cause I wanna see this game get somewhere and for a new CPU game you'd typically spend $30+ anyhow! Might drop more once some more stuff sells!

yakface wrote:This game doesn't sell virtual minis. It is based off of a physical minis line though, which is why one of the perks gets you an actual mini. So I'm sure this discount applies to that physical mini line.

Yep. That's right.

The Exodus Wars universe and its miniatures are owned by Steel Crown Productions, based out of London. Just to clarify, Membraine Studios, based in Sydney (that's us), just holds a license to make the Exodus Wars: Fractured Empire computer game.

SCP predominantly sells 6mm minis, and the Marcovian Behemoth available as a perk is one such 6mm mini, but if you check out their website on http://www.exoduswars.com, you'll see that they're on the verge of releasing their 28mm range too.

If you like the look of their Marcovian Royal Empire troops, for example, that 5% discount card could come in handy.


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Benamint wrote:So is this game going to be Mac/wineskin compatible??? What will need to be reached to make it compatible?

Good news for you, then. The engine we're using, Unity, already supports OSX (as well as iOS and Android, by the way), and our intent is to release for the Mac on the same day (or as close to as possible) the PC version is released.

And in a similar vein, if there are any Linux users in residence, the latest version of Unity—which is expected to be released in a few weeks—also supports Linux, so we'll be releasing a Linux version as soon as we can too.

Hope this news brings much happy joy-joy to the Mac and Linux users here.


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vinsal wrote:Ditto on MAC question. Do i need to jump through hoops, or will it work "straight out of the box" as it were. If it is straight up MAC compatible I am sold.

It's straight-up Mac compatible thanks to Unity's in-built Mac support—there's additional effort making the Mac version, of course, but we'd already accounted for that in the $35,000 Core game (minimum-spec) budget.


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scipio.au wrote:That's what I suspect, but given the other business model being discussed on Dakka at the moment, as well as the current "Age of DLC" we're living in, I'd like to see it confirmed by the devs.

Hi Scipio. Hopefully, I've adequately answered you questions above about the miniatures discount and the intent of that perk offering; if not, though, let me know—always happy to answer questions about the game.

With regard to your query about DLC, while it's way to early for us to have nailed down our long-term plans, I can say that DLC would most likely be reserved for major releases, such as whole new armies—not so much a "get this special mini!" microtransactional model, which seems to be something you guys think would suck (yes—we got the message, guys).

Sorry to post again, but wanted to let you all know that Exodus Wars: Fractured Empire has been featured on Rock Paper Shotgun's "Kickstarter Katchup" column!!

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/06/23/kickstarter-katchup-23rd-june-2012/#more-113419

Getting air-time with the major games media players and engaging with the wider gaming public was always going to be pivotal, so it's awesome to see this starting to happen now.

Please head on over to the RPS column via the link above and add your voice to the discussion.

And by all means...feel free to talk up Fractured Empire and let everyone know there is a market for games like this.

I never thought I'd be moving away from PC based games, but you can't take them with you. I have quite a few mindless games on the Ipad, but this one looks really cool. And it sounds like this could be making it's way to that platform as well.

I've still got a copy of FL and have tried to play a few times, but can't use the video files and never got to download the other sprites. Looking forward for this to get done.

Would the miniature company be inclined to let you guys start using single mini's for goals?

Uriels_Flame wrote:Would the miniature company be inclined to let you guys start using single mini's for goals?

Yep. What did you have in mind?

Not to be party pooper, but they're using "Flexible funding", which is different system than kickstarter uses.

What does it mean? If they don't raise enough money (i.e the target) to make the game, they still get to keep your money!

Game itself sounds interesting, but I won't trust any company using Flexible funding, unless it's already funded. (and even then I'd be wary)

adhuin wrote:Not to be party pooper, but they're using "Flexible funding", which is different system than kickstarter uses. What does it mean? If they don't raise enough money (i.e the target) to make the game, they still get to keep your money! Game itself sounds interesting, but I won't trust any company using Flexible funding, unless it's already funded. (and even then I'd be wary)

Hi adhuin. Thanks for your feedback. You're correct in how Flexible Funding works—and I absolutely understand your concerns.

All I can say is that we're making the game regardless of how our crowd funding campaign goes—we've already poured way too much love and (to be blunt) our own hard-earned into it to not make it. We're making it.

The purpose of the crowd funding campaign is to accelerate our development by enabling us to focus our efforts on Fractured Empire full-time, at least up to the release of the Core/minimum-spec game, and the stretch goals are to fund expanding the feature set offered by the game beyond the minimum spec described on the Indiegogo page.

Let me know if you have any further questions. More than happy to answer any questions about the game.

Hey do the rewards stack? Like if I donate $10 to get the game and then later donate $40, do I get the Alpha pass etc? Or do I have to donate the full $50?

Thanks much!
Ben

Benamint wrote:Hey do the rewards stack? Like if I donate $10 to get the game and then later donate $40, do I get the Alpha pass etc? Or do I have to donate the full $50?

Yes, your contributions can stack—not a problem.

The system records contributions individually, but we'll be able to manually combine people's contributions into a singular amount at the end of the campaign.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:Looking good. It's a shame you haven't gotten more support thus far.

Hi, AllSeeingSkink! Thanks for the kind words. I thought I'd better let you know my thinking, though, in response to the above as it's not all doom-and-gloom—far from it.

We recognise that, at just under $5,000, it may not look like we’re doing well...but we’re actually pretty stoked!. Here's why we think this:

The media response has really been pretty phenomenal, especially considering the "vibe" in the games media around crowd funding right now. Getting a mention on Rock Paper Shotgun (even in the context of negativity about a Flexible Funding campaign) was HUGE for us—and they put up one of our vids!

I reckon we're helped a lot by the fact peeps really do want this game—that much seems clear. So, at the very least, I think it's clear now that there is a market for this game, which was one of the major purposes behind running this campaign. Whether or not that market will contribute to a crowd funding campaign is a totally different kettle of fish, of course, but we remain hopeful.

So we're currently approaching $5k with 25 days to go, but I reckon most of "the action", as such, will happen in the last week—that seems to be the pattern.

It seems to go like this: You either have a big burst of enthusiasm from the crowd (probably applies only if you already have an established fan-base, which we didn’t) or you start slowly, like we have. Then you see a lull in contributions as non-fans join and watch/wait. And then you either see a surge in the last week as the watchers get into the game...or you fizzle out.

We're doing everything we can to ensure we get a surge and not a fizzle.

And that's where we are now; while things are going pretty well, we of course still have a lot of work to do to show the community that we're worthy of their support.

Another thing worth mentioning: we've had almost 10,000 people visit our campaign page, so there are a LOT of peeps out there who know about the game and know what we're trying to achieve...we remain hopeful that a good number of those will decide to support us, especially given some of the cool stuff we'll be releasing in a few days.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:I've posted threads about the game over on a couple of gaming forums, so hopefully you get some more support for it! You guys should contact local gaming clubs, gaming stores and PC gaming/table top gaming internet forums to get the word out.

Thank you! That's an awesome thing to do for us—we really appreciate it!

Yeah I'll be pledging on this one.

Sadly I missed out on Final Liberation, but I remember Shadow of the Horned rat, and was a big fan of turn based tactical RPG's such as Warsong, Shining Force and Vandal Hearts.

So I know I enjoy turn based gameplay on computer games.