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gah.... fathers day

i want to go to this but that might be an issue. got to run it by the wife

Yeah I just realized this is on Father's Day also so I'm probably going to have to drop out.

shoot, the one reason i get to go is because it is father's day, had to lay on the guilt trip

I'm surprised that fathers day is a deal breaker. I'm also not a father, so its not surprising i'm not surprised.

Isnt fathers day the reason you use to do this? To get away from the family?!

That really depends if you have a father or father in law you might be expected to spend time with them. If not...

Just twelve spots left guys!

Hey guys 7 spots left get any last minutyou can e reservations in!! go to killadelphiaopen.com to register

Super ready to go for this. Can't wait

I had a great time at this GT, and have every intent of returning next year!

Congrats to Andrew Gonyo (Tournament Winner), Nick Nanavati (Second to One), and Matt DeFranza (Overall)!

Any results posted? Not just the top 4?

I have not seen any beyond the Top 8, and that was just the Pairing not final finishes.

Event was a great time. Judges were great, terrain was really solid, and prize support was amazing. I definitely would recommend next year's event to anybody. The level of competition was excellent.

Andrew Gonyo won with his Tau list (120 Kroot, 3 skyrays, 3 riptides, 2 ethereals). Finals were between him and Nick Nanavati using his flying MC Daemons / CSM list (Fateweaver, Keeper, a pair of MoS princes, a mace tzeentch prince and a drake). From what I was told, Nick was doing really well in the game but failed a re-rollable Grimoire on turn 5. But I'm sure one of them will chime in.

Semi-finals were both ridiculously close games. Andrew beat Neil's Tau/SW list (Tau + drop wolves with 2x Jaws) in a down to the wire game, while Nick pulled it out vs Kopach's SM/IG list (pretty much same list from Adepticon, except he dropped a Talon for a Vendetta and the 3rd thunderfire for a manticore) when it looked like he was done.

Matt DeFranza took best overall with his Seer Council / IG list (old Eldar codex).

Rest of the top 8 was Rob Fortin (Necrons), Payl [sorry can't remember his last name] (Tau), and myself (Necrons/Tau).

Glad to hear everything went well. I was unable to make it due to fathers-day commitments. Congrats to the winners! SO glad to see a winner being a single Codex, these allies matrix combinations are just not fun at all.

With the current meta-talk, how prevalent were flyers and the respective ADLs to combat them?

It was a FW-illegal event, and I went around and paint judged every army. There were almost no armies with more than 2 flyers, and those with 3 were at about the max, in an event populated by an intensely concentrated hardcore crowd.

Many, many armies had no flyers at all. Those that did were exclusively (as far as I could tell) in the 1-3 range. The winner had 0.

 morgendonner wrote:
Event was a great time. Judges were great, terrain was really solid, and prize support was amazing. I definitely would recommend next year's event to anybody. The level of competition was excellent.

Andrew Gonyo won with his Tau list (120 Kroot, 3 skyrays, 3 riptides, 2 ethereals). Finals were between him and Nick Nanavati using his flying MC Daemons / CSM list (Fateweaver, Keeper, a pair of MoS princes, a mace tzeentch prince and a drake). From what I was told, Nick was doing really well in the game but failed a re-rollable Grimoire on turn 5. But I'm sure one of them will chime in.

Semi-finals were both ridiculously close games. Andrew beat Neil's Tau/SW list (Tau + drop wolves with 2x Jaws) in a down to the wire game, while Nick pulled it out vs Kopach's SM/IG list (pretty much same list from Adepticon, except he dropped a Talon for a Vendetta and the 3rd thunderfire for a manticore) when it looked like he was done.

Matt DeFranza took best overall with his Seer Council / IG list (old Eldar codex).

Rest of the top 8 was Rob Fortin (Necrons), Payl [sorry can't remember his last name] (Tau), and myself (Necrons/Tau).

Did the kroot have sniper rounds or stock?

I think like 20 or 40 of Andrew's Kroot have sniper rounds.

 morgendonner wrote:
Event was a great time. Judges were great, terrain was really solid, and prize support was amazing. I definitely would recommend next year's event to anybody. The level of competition was excellent.

Andrew Gonyo won with his Tau list (120 Kroot, 3 skyrays, 3 riptides, 2 ethereals). Finals were between him and Nick Nanavati using his flying MC Daemons / CSM list (Fateweaver, Keeper, a pair of MoS princes, a mace tzeentch prince and a drake). From what I was told, Nick was doing really well in the game but failed a re-rollable Grimoire on turn 5. But I'm sure one of them will chime in.

Semi-finals were both ridiculously close games. Andrew beat Neil's Tau/SW list (Tau + drop wolves with 2x Jaws) in a down to the wire game, while Nick pulled it out vs Kopach's SM/IG list (pretty much same list from Adepticon, except he dropped a Talon for a Vendetta and the 3rd thunderfire for a manticore) when it looked like he was done.

Matt DeFranza took best overall with his Seer Council / IG list (old Eldar codex).

Rest of the top 8 was Rob Fortin (Necrons), Payl [sorry can't remember his last name] (Tau), and myself (Necrons/Tau).

My army list, roughly:
3x 18 Kroot + Hound
2x 18 kroot, sniper, hound
1x 17 kroot, hound
2x ethereal
2x4 pathfinder
3x skyray, blacksun filter
3x riptide (2 burst with skyfire/interceptor, 1 ion with interceptor)

My game against Nick I rushed initially to save time after feeling a bit bad about how long game 2 went, and made a lot of deployment/t1 mistakes in haste, which put nick at an early lead. His dice were hot early on with a keeper of secrets taking my entire armies shooting for 2 turns to kill. Past that, they cooled down and FMCs started dying.

Fatey actually failed grimoire on turn 4, with the reroll, but if he had passed, I would have killed the other 2 already wounded FMCs instead of firing anything at him (I killed all 3 that turn that were left, fatey included due to him having a craperrific 5+ invul, and still had 2 kroot units left to fire). If fatey had lived, on turn 5 he would not have had grimoire due to it being dead, allowing for some fatey payback then. Mind you, Nick played very well, but my list (even he said) is a nasty counter to his, his dice at the end were a bit of icing on the cake, but then again they come (keeper) and they go (fatey and the slowest black mace prince ever). Overall I think even if grimoire had worked, it would have just turned it from us calling it after seeing the end of turn 4, to me playing my turn 5 shooting phase and coming essentially to the same outcome of having my 1 back objective, and the center objective or my placed one, and contesting the right most, with him with his deployment zone objective.

Overall Killadelphia was an excellent event, and I'll definitely be back next year. Kudos to all the guys running it, rules judging, and everything else - it was a great time and ran smoothly/fairly with a very high level of competition.

Yeah, flyers were not too prevalent, nor were aegis lines. From the top lists I had the most with 4 flyers, Tony and Rob both had 3. Nick's list had 1 plus 4 flying MCs. So only half the top tables had flyers in their armies.

I only came against an aegis once, and it was being used for the comms relay more than anything.

I think the biggest impact Tau will have is not going to be the death of flyers (they'll probably cause a little shift, but I don't think it's enough to deter Cron players), but rather a death of the Aegis line. SMS and multi-spectrum commanders are very powerful tools and I'm really curious to see how that shakes out. Maybe we will start to see Marines on the board again with cover saves getting such a shakeup.

 morgendonner wrote:
Yeah, flyers were not too prevalent, nor were aegis lines. From the top lists I had the most with 4 flyers, Tony and Rob both had 3. Nick's list had 1 plus 4 flying MCs. So only half the top tables had flyers in their armies.

I only came against an aegis once, and it was being used for the comms relay more than anything.

I think the biggest impact Tau will have is not going to be the death of flyers (they'll probably cause a little shift, but I don't think it's enough to deter Cron players), but rather a death of the Aegis line. SMS and multi-spectrum commanders are very powerful tools and I'm really curious to see how that shakes out. Maybe we will start to see Marines on the board again with cover saves getting such a shakeup.

If we're going to see more Marine boots on the ground, then I'd still expect to see Helldrakes then, given their relative cost efficiency and durability.

Yeah, I don't think drakes are necessarily "OP" but it is a shame how their existence pretty much nullifies a lot of interesting army lists.

It was an absolute fantastic time, thanks to everyone who showed up.

I actually think I had the most flyers in the event with 5 (4 scythes and a dakka jet), I ended up placing 9th :*( when it came time to seed the brackets. Morgendonner actually knocked me out of the top bracket! I think having the 5 flyers really gave me an edge over my opponents with 1-3 flyers. I did not play any tau however so I can not say how I would have fared.

As he said all I really used the aegis for was the coms and maybe a coversave for my wagon turn 1. I deployed it super aggressively and once my flyers hit the table (the coms was pretty important in making sure this happened) I pretty much left the aegis unused for the rest of the game.

Again thanks for everyone who came to the event. It was great seeing everyone before, during, and after the event.

 morgendonner wrote:
Yeah, I don't think drakes are necessarily "OP" but it is a shame how their existence pretty much nullifies a lot of interesting army lists.

It would be if the rest of the list was a notch higher in power; as it stands, the HD is a shining star in a mostly mediocre dex.

Hey Target I'm just curious how you ran the Ethereals? The TO told me before the event that they could not outflank. Did you always start them on the table with Kroot?

 Cpt Stubbs wrote:
Hey Target I'm just curious how you ran the Ethereals? The TO told me before the event that they could not outflank. Did you always start them on the table with Kroot?

My kroot infiltrated or outflanked most games, and the ethereals start attached to the riptide always. Riptides aren't "units that always consist of one model" because they can buy drones, so ethereals can join. Majority T6, riptide tanking for my ethereal?

Check please!

Lots of Kudos to the people running Kiladelphia! I drove down from Cambridge with a buddy and we had a blast. Lots of cool armies using interesting combinations of allies. I thought the Judges did an excellent job, anytime I had to call for a ruling one or two people came over quickly while pulling their well-worn their mini-rulebooks from holsters at their hips and always had an actual answer for each question that came up (no "roll off, we've got no clue" on anything)!

Also, thanks to the guy fixing models. I had an unfortunate incident where one of my plastic dudes decided to roll off my tray and under my foot. The guy fixing models converted him from 4 pieces back to one, and it looks like nothing bad ever happened.

I don't know if anybody mentioned the "swag bag" everyone got for showing up that had a GW tape measure, some glue, 3 things of paint, a brush, some dice, and cards for hobby-related podcasts/Beatlefoam, which was excellent.

I am surprised there were no armies that could shred all those Kroot in assault. They are very squishy.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I am surprised there were no armies that could shred all those Kroot in assault. They are very squishy.

There were plenty, I just tended to not let them make it there

Haha!!! Nice strategy.

 RobPro wrote:
Lots of Kudos to the people running Kiladelphia! I drove down from Cambridge with a buddy and we had a blast. Lots of cool armies using interesting combinations of allies. I thought the Judges did an excellent job, anytime I had to call for a ruling one or two people came over quickly while pulling their well-worn their mini-rulebooks from holsters at their hips and always had an actual answer for each question that came up (no "roll off, we've got no clue" on anything)!

Also, thanks to the guy fixing models. I had an unfortunate incident where one of my plastic dudes decided to roll off my tray and under my foot. The guy fixing models converted him from 4 pieces back to one, and it looks like nothing bad ever happened.

I don't know if anybody mentioned the "swag bag" everyone got for showing up that had a GW tape measure, some glue, 3 things of paint, a brush, some dice, and cards for hobby-related podcasts/Beatlefoam, which was excellent.

I want to second the comment about the judging, as they did a very good job with this. I had a few oddball rules situations that I felt were all decided very fairly. Even when I didn't necessarily agree with the outcome, I was still allowed to present my argument and the judges took a thoroughly text-based approach.

And the swag bags were the best I've ever received at a GT by a huge margin. Retail price of the stuff in the bag was at least $30 and none of it was junk.