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I had a number of conversations with DarkHammer when their undead samurai horseman went on sale many months ago. They were responsive, kind, and seemed credible. Never bought in though due to an onslaught of kickstarters that took my attention and money.

The fact that they have started this campaign after getting established in the industry should help boost their credibility a lot. If anyone is put off because they see the word China I feel very sorry for them.

Btw, I'm no cheerleader. I won't even be buying in but only because undead don't interest me much. I just get so annoyed by people who automatically associate China with being swindled. I lived in Korea for years where Koreans today joke about everything 'made in china' forgetting they used to have the same reputation for their knock-off cars and Gucci bags in the 80s and 90s. Borderline racism. Period.

Examine the product and the company. Be a smart shopper, as you would with any company from any other country.

But are you saying you'll refund everyone if 25K is not met? Why not cancel the campaign and relaunch it as a Fixed Funding one, if so?

I actually trust you, but selecting Flexible Funding does make it seem riskier; it would be good to alleviate that.

greywulf wrote:
. Borderline racism. Period.

Don't conflate proverbial wisdom with racism. China has a bad reputation, just like Russia, because a lot of scams originate from there. There's a reason most recasts and knock off models come from those two countries.

On the plus side, DarkHammer has been around for a bit, and has an established reputation for quality. I am quite tempted to pledge a little myself, which is a very dangerous thing! I'll be keeping an eye on it in either case, and hope it does really well.

Now that Most people perfer fixed funding ,We would like to launch New Fixed Funding campaign .But Indigogo has rule that we can't cancel a running campaign.But we can lauch the new one by fixed funding .We would like to know how many people encourage us to do so .
Thanks
Tz

Fixed funding would convince me to go with the $100 pledge. Currently (with the flexible funding) this is out of the question for me.

I will also echo the advice on getting the text rewritten. Bad grammar, spelling and punctuation look unprofessional and WILL deter people who otherwise would have pledged. It's like business dress code: Sure, your Hawaii shirt and short pants will suffice for a trip to the mall, but would you expect a potential customer to trust somebody who was dressed like that? Get your text looked at by somebody, I'm sure plenty of people would even do it for the models instead of money.

 Allod wrote:
Fixed funding would convince me to go with the $100 pledge. Currently (with the flexible funding) this is out of the question for me.

I will also echo the advice on getting the text rewritten. Bad grammar, spelling and punctuation look unprofessional and WILL deter people who otherwise would have pledged. It's like business dress code: Sure, your Hawaii shirt and short pants will suffice for a trip to the mall, but would you expect a potential customer to trust somebody who was dressed like that? Get your text looked at by somebody, I'm sure plenty of people would even do it for the models instead of money.

I know I would!

You guys are using Indiegogo. That's a complete show stopper for me.

Mind, lots of people will find absolutely nothing wrong with Indiegogo, but I've had a very bad experience with them. And that turned me off Indiegogo for good.

gohkm wrote:
You guys are using Indiegogo. That's a complete show stopper for me.

Mind, lots of people will find absolutely nothing wrong with Indiegogo, but I've had a very bad experience with them. And that turned me off Indiegogo for good.

Seconded. I'm very happy with your product, I really like some of the concept sketches for some of the upcoming units and would likely back this if it were a Kickstarter. I have no experience with Indiegogo, I have heard more negatives about it than KS, which coupled with my own inexperience of it makes it a real barrier for me.

If anyone is able to put mine (and evidently others) mind at rest about IGG, I'll happily listen!

I would recommend Kickstrter too. They seem to get a LOT more traffic, and many people have used them.

Also, I'll throw my hat in for English editing if it can wait till the end of the semester (about 3-4 weeks.) Or I can just edit Alf

 Wehrkind wrote:
I would recommend Kickstrter too. They seem to get a LOT more traffic, and many people have used them.

Also, I'll throw my hat in for English editing if it can wait till the end of the semester (about 3-4 weeks.) Or I can just edit Alf

I ninjad the pair of you by a full day.

And I speak real English.

Please, there's what, 65 million of you? We have 5 times the votes in favor of American being the "real" English

 Wehrkind wrote:
Please, there's what, 65 million of you? We have 5 times the votes in favor of American being the "real" English

Yet only, what, 300 years of practice?

Between us though, that's like 1500 years of practice! I have seen the stuff your little island was writing in 500 AD, and brother, it isn't "English" by any stretch!

I will forego a witty rejoinder in order to not drag the thread any further off topic.

You limeys are polite, I'll give you that!

I actually hope DarkHammer decides to go with Kickstarter though. I think it will be MUCH more successful for him, and I really hope for the best. They make some great models, arguably a lot better than most things you see these days.

Doesn't KS have some sort of location requirement for where the company is based?

If I haven't misremembered that from somewhere, then being based in China might be a limit on their choices.

Oh, that's a good point, I hadn't thought of that. Of course many US companies do their production in China, so maybe one would just need an American partner?

azreal13 wrote:Doesn't KS have some sort of location requirement for where the company is based?

If I haven't misremembered that from somewhere, then being based in China might be a limit on their choices.

Wehrkind wrote:Oh, that's a good point, I hadn't thought of that. Of course many US companies do their production in China, so maybe one would just need an American partner?

Yes, they'd need a US/UK/CAN bank account to be able to run one; ideally a US based one as $ always does better.

@Wehrkind and azreal13 Thanks so much for the kind word .We really appreciate that . We though The IGG and KS are same thing .But for us the KS has more limitation .Such as American or American company .We are living in china .So that is limitation .The reason why we do the project wherever in IGG or KS is making miniatures get more and more expensive .If the cost get expensive .Then we sale price will be higher .That is not what we want to do it .We want our miniatures have acceptable price for everyone .

Those days we discuss this project here .We really appreciate those comments .We hope you guys can trust us .That do it toghter .And we promise we will return you guys with good quality miniatures that we both love it .

About IGG funding way .Now some of people already baked . we can't cancel the running campaign .If your guys can trust us .Let us make it toghter to make this goal .We already statement we will not take the money if the goal is not met $25000 .
Also that statement on here and IGG page .That is evidence .And prove .

Thanks for understanding .

Tz

This is size compare .Thanks guys .Need you help to make this happen for the project .

That scale comparison is bad ass. Seriously. Awesome.

I pledged for $100. I probably shouldn't have, since I still have hundreds of Mantic undead left to paint.

But those models are amazing. I can't wait to use this stuff for a Oriental Zombie Survival Horror campaign.

We launch undead regiment part one on indiegogo .That can make delivery in shortly .You guys don’t need to wait for a long time to get your miniatures .Also we can manage it well to control quality for every production .Our standard is to provide high quality miniatures to the clients .Make customer happy . Now this undead regiment part one delivery can be in Feb.2014. Soon your guys can get the high quality miniatures with good price .So join in this funding that is good choice to follow our miniatures .Again thanks for all the supporting as return we will make the high quality miniatures with good price for you guys .

Fixed Funding

Link:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/undead-regiment-part-one/x/5247785

Thanks

Tz

You know, now that I've assembled and cleaned my Bloodlust Tyrant, I've got no idea on how to paint it.

Perhaps Darkhammer Miniatures might consider employing a top-notch painter to do their miniatures justice? It might bring a lot more people into the Indiegogo campaign - a picture speaks a thousand words, after all, especially if it's a painted miniature.

First! Wait, what happened, why is it just me? So you restarted the campaign?

It looks like it is now fixed funding where I am sure it was flexible funding instead.

 DarkHammerMiniature wrote:
We already statement we will not take the money if the goal is not met $25000 .

I think there's a fatal flaw with your plan to refund people if the campaign fails to reach $25,000, with flexible funding campaigns on IndieGoGo they actually take a total of 9% of the amount raised as their fee even if the campaign manages to fail. (If the campaign succeeds though IndieGoGo only takes 4%.)

Which means if you're still planning to refund backers and this campaign does unfortunately fall short of hitting 25k, then you will need to either refund each person 9% less than what they originally payed. Or you will need to take a personal hit and refund that 9% difference to each person out of your own pocket. (Which if the campaign ended right now at 3.8k would be close to $340...)

Denilsta wrote:It looks like it is now fixed funding where I am sure it was flexible funding instead.

As Darkhammer stated in a previous post, Indiegogo does not allow closure of existing campains, and after advice on this forum they've started a second campaign with fixed funding.

 DarkHammerMiniature wrote:
Fixed Funding

Link:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/undead-regiment-part-one/x/5247785

Thanks

Tz

Well, cool that you guys listened to feedback here! But what happens to the nearly 4K already raised in the other campaign? Is it still ongoing, and just "to be cancelled" if it doesn't reach 25K? Or are you already refunding folks there, and directing them to the new campaign?

A shame that those awesome fast attack concepts in the prior one didn't make it into this one, but it makes sense that you can deliver on this sooner, and then fund those later.

Also, awesome size comparison shot below!

 DarkHammerMiniature wrote:
This is size compare .Thanks guys .Need you help to make this happen for the project .

 Scrub wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
The minis do look very nice, and the prices are OK too, but...

An IndieNoGo Flexible Funding campaign out of China?

I wish you the best of luck though!

Remnants of Maelstrom games doing a kickstarter is fine, though! Right?

Yeah, apparently it was. Twice.

Anyway, it looks as if the masses have spoken and positive (ish) changes have happened.

Though some questions remain.

Again, best of luck here!