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morgoth wrote:

 gwarsh41 wrote:
TFG at my shop doesn't know he is TFG. He does a lot of little annoying gak for starters. Rolls dice out of line of sight/across the table. Shuffles units after moving for another inch of movement. Measures half inch of the base or however far he needs to to be in range.

Worst of all is he raises his voice. Never raise your voice unless its actually loud in there. This dude was playing with his friend and started very loudly insisting rules. Poor other dude was just trying to learn the game and was getting yelled at for not knowing transports.

I have decided to point out to cheaters every time they're cheating, even if it's half an inch.

I used to not bother, but I had a guy charge me T4 with 11" on a 10" charge for which he had cheated 2-3" of movement in the previous movement phases.

The old magical telescoping tape measure trick? I've had a few pull that on me over the years. That will DEFINATELY earn you the title when your called out on it. the sad part is they will usually deny it loudly calling YOU TFG but after having pulled it on others in the past who let it slide, the others will just be glad someone stood up to them.

Although I also must also be TFG because I remember flirting with a younger girl once at a shop(10-11 years younger, but yes, still legal). We ended up have a relationship for a few years. :p

Half the thread is about age ranges for dating. Figured I'd leave that alone...

For the checklist:

1) Hygiene: Shower at least daily. Office worker.
2) Insist on measurements: Only when I'm unsure. But I'm way off regularly when eying it.
3) Handling defeat: I do complain more than I should. Last time I conceded was when I had 3 models left, the other player had roughly 50, I had only StW, and he had a boatload of points. Usually I play it out. So something here for me to work on.
4) Annoying Face: About a year before I started playing wargames, I realized that, no matter how I carried myself, I had a creepy/disturbing face. Grew a beard, and the change was night and day. Random people no longer recoil or regard me with disgust. People generally no longer had a problem with me right away. So I did have 'one of those faces', but I seem to have been able to fix that. Not saying a beard will help anyone, but it did help me (provided I keep it well-groomed). You are right that this one entry can trump just about everything else.
5) If I say I'll be there, I am
6) Paint scheme: Quite the opposite - most of my guys aren't painted yet. I'm working on that, but last weekend I spent painting didn't finish even a 10-man. And I'm not very good. Hopefully I finish them this weekend.
7) Normal dice
8) As said above, I usually play it out, although there are times I'll concede (3 models left vs 50, halfway through the game).
9) I wear what I wear to work - business casual
10) I should work on not whining. Things like my Rangers having inflicted a total of I think 1 wound in 5 games so far can get annoying. I shouldn't talk about those sorts of things.

There are some bad eggs on these forums, but there are also a lot of helpful, thoughtful people here too.

As for how I know I'm TFG, its quite apparent by how much less I wind up in conversations at the FLGS, how frequently I get left out of games, and the way people fish for excuses when I suggest we play eachothrr.

I like 1d4chan's page on this matter, but that checklist pretty much sums it up.

 Psienesis wrote:


Also, to the age thing? If you're 35 and hitting on a 22 year old? They're not interested in you. Your jokes aren't funny to them, and you seem kind of pathetic. That's just the way it goes.

Maybe they're not interested in YOU, but you can only speak for yourself. I live/work in a college town and most of the dates/flirts I've had in the last several years have been women much younger than me. I'm 40 and not even particularly good-looking, but suddenly I'm much more popular with this demographic than I ever was in my 20's and early 30's.

The point really should be "Are you hitting on someone who obviously isn't interested?" Because that's never cool.

 EVIL INC wrote:

Although I also must also be TFG because I remember flirting with a younger girl once at a shop(10-11 years younger, but yes, still legal). We ended up have a relationship for a few years. :p

This freakin' guy..

Dating advice from Dakka. Lego should charge for this gak, he'd make a killing

I want 10%, for kickstarting it.


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As to the OP?

Maybe it's not you, maybe it's them. Maybe they are a collection of jerkbags.

... it's a word.

 Psienesis wrote:


... it's a cute made up word.

Corrected.

And yeah, it could totally be them, I guess. Part of me hopes the OP never responds and just managed to get it fixed miraculously. Crappy gaming atmospheres are the worst.

I'm not a TFG, but I may not appeal to all people. I kind of get excited when I play. I cheer when my opponent pulls off some amazing success and kills me or quote movie lines when there's a spectacular failure. (Dune lines seem to come up often.) I have fun and I show it. A stoic player I am not, but neither am I a TFG.

Also, I'm 35 and engaged to a 22 year old.
It helps to be a bass player/author/illustrator/world traveler/firearms instructor/historian.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I'm not a TFG, but I may not appeal to all people. I kind of get excited when I play. I cheer when my opponent pulls off some amazing success and kills me or quote movie lines when there's a spectacular failure. (Dune lines seem to come up often.) I have fun and I show it. A stoic player I am not, but neither am I a TFG.

Also, I'm 35 and engaged to a 22 year old.
It helps to be a bass player/author/illustrator/world traveler/firearms instructor/historian.

I run strong but themed lists, lists that force me to play a certain way.

I get excited and like to have fun with it, always egging on my models, or talking them up. I love it when risky things pay off, even if I run a quick calculation before each shot. I have no idea if people like or dislike it.

However I hate playing against negative players, or players that moan and bitch when something doesn't go there way. So what if you shoot 3 Bs3 lascanons and none of them hit, its not that statistically incorrect. Or players that always bitch about bad rolls, even when they'd passed some crucial roll just previously.

I have to hold in my laughter at someone getting upset about a game.

Bharring wrote:
1) Hygiene: Shower at least daily. Office worker.
2) Insist on measurements: Only when I'm unsure. But I'm way off regularly when eying it.
3) Handling defeat: I do complain more than I should. Last time I conceded was when I had 3 models left, the other player had roughly 50, I had only StW, and he had a boatload of points. Usually I play it out. So something here for me to work on.
4) Annoying Face: About a year before I started playing wargames, I realized that, no matter how I carried myself, I had a creepy/disturbing face. Grew a beard, and the change was night and day. Random people no longer recoil or regard me with disgust. People generally no longer had a problem with me right away. So I did have 'one of those faces', but I seem to have been able to fix that. Not saying a beard will help anyone, but it did help me (provided I keep it well-groomed). You are right that this one entry can trump just about everything else.
5) If I say I'll be there, I am
6) Paint scheme: Quite the opposite - most of my guys aren't painted yet. I'm working on that, but last weekend I spent painting didn't finish even a 10-man. And I'm not very good. Hopefully I finish them this weekend.
7) Normal dice
8) As said above, I usually play it out, although there are times I'll concede (3 models left vs 50, halfway through the game).
9) I wear what I wear to work - business casual
10) I should work on not whining. Things like my Rangers having inflicted a total of I think 1 wound in 5 games so far can get annoying. I shouldn't talk about those sorts of things.

I don't think you are that guy. Sounds more like they are them guys.

Also, kudos on the beard.

They aren't 'that guy's. Mapping behavior of the group heavily points to me being toxic for the group, though. And the group is so awesome, that continuing to do damage is not acceptable.

This is part of why I'm so active in the what-in-Eldar is op/unfun discussions. I haven't fielded a second Serpent all year, but when I first picked up Eldar last year, I didn't realize how unfun playing against 2x Serpents really was, at first. So I'm trying to identify what is and isn't fun.

(What I've found is that having a battle company - esque force, even with a non-marine faction, optimizes fun for both players. This means having some vulnerable backfielders (Devs or Dark Reapers), some skirmishers/bullies (ASM/Hawks/Spiders), a core that can push (Tacs, DAs, and mech FDs), a core that can hold (Tacs, DAs, Guardians), and a beatstick character (Captains/CMs/a Phoenix Lord). Having all these roles filled is less competitive, yes, but seems to lead to better games.)

Bharring wrote:
They aren't 'that guy's. Mapping behavior of the group heavily points to me being toxic for the group, though. And the group is so awesome, that continuing to do damage is not acceptable.

I wouldn't be so sure - sometimes it is hard to tell if the Group is toxic or the Individual, especially when you are the one 'on the outside'. Mix in a bit of low self esteem / lack of confidence / slight inferiority complex and it would be near impossible to tell as your view point is so skewed.

Best way to tell would be an objective viewpoint - do you have someone not associated with the club that you can take along with you and see what they make of it? Also, do you have many friends away fro the Warhammer community? People who are successful in 'normal' social conditions rarely turn into total jerkwads because they roll some dice.


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Note: low self esteem / lack of confidence / slight inferiority complex will have nothing to do with whether you are trouncing your opponents with serpent spam or not

Some people consider me to be "That Guy", mostly because sometimes my mouth moves faster than my brain. I'll see someone about to make a derpy mistake.. and I say "hey you know those are twin-linked" or "you know how Ordiance works right?" and usually it's that manuever that ends up being the pivotal thing in the game that causes one side to win/lose.

One other thing that should be added to the list is being lucky. I play khorne CSM. I have since the new codex dropped, and I think I've lost twice so far. Not because I'm spamming cultists/heldrakes like a , or because I'm particularly good at the game, but because my Defiler took an entire 10 strong sternguard's worth of combi-melta's and proceeded to lose a single HP, which it promptly regenned with IWND. It is moment like this that some opponents have accused me of having loaded dice. Normally when that happens I offer to let them use my dice, or ask if they want me to use theirs. Same shenanigans ensue, and then they realize that I'm just stupidly lucky in this game. It's usually after such games is when I find whey my opponent is "that guy" when he accuses me of being a WAAC powergamer, what with my 20 khorne berzerkers and my usual squad of CSM in a rhino with double melta/plasma, and frequent use of CC-built defilers.

Maybe the OP is just over-analyzing it...

OP, are you Matt Ward? If so, you are "That Guy"

 jreilly89 wrote:
OP, are you Matt Ward? If so, you are "That Guy"

You do know that Matt Ward left GW a couple of months ago? The wardtrain needs to find a new liege.

Generally I find that doing 2 things will make any group happier with you in friendly games. (Watch the over competitive dudes who seem to follow me chime in here) always help your opponent if they make a rules mistake, and if you have a significantly higher than 50% winrate with an army, progressively tone it down until you lose a bit more. Very, very few players are ever going to touch a site like Dakka, or think about the competitiveness of their lists. Obliterating them is really no fun, for either player.


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Also, to the whining you list in #10, it's not hard to make it not so annoying.

Personally, I tend to enjoy letting my figures do what they do best. If I have a figure who does spectacularly poorly, or well, I will arrange so that he tries to do the same thing each game just for fun. I have an elite crack team of gretchins with a particularly Murderous Runtherd who I always take with a Shokk prod and point at the biggest scariest thing on the enemy team-if at all possible I arrange the combat in such a way that he goes in along with a couple other units and I try to give him a chance to finish it off if I can. On the other hand, my necron heavy destroyer lands, on average, one hit in a six turn game and I don't believe he's ever killed anything. So I modified the sigil on his forehead into a pair of crossed eyes, have him holding the gun the wrong way around and nicknamed him "360noscope". Every time he fires, I ask him if today is the day, and when he misses I pat him on the head and say "next time". He's become something of a hero to my army, and my opponents will often purposefully give him side and rear armor to give him a fighting chance.

 Smireland wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:


... it's a cute made up word.

Corrected.

And yeah, it could totally be them, I guess. Part of me hopes the OP never responds and just managed to get it fixed miraculously. Crappy gaming atmospheres are the worst.

I beg to differ....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jerk%20bag

If it's in UrbanDictionary, then it's a word that people use in the way that words are used.