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Decisions, decisions. On one hand, I am getting a wee bit tired of painting Rhino-pattern stuff (I have four as is), and the LRC would be a nice change of pace. On the other hand, pie plate.

I think what I am going to do is get the LRC(for about $10 off, but the credit makes it pretty cheap) from Amazon, and the Vindi from a guy on Swap Shop since he does 25% off, and probably pick up some Sternies and Tacticals at the same time.

I wish there was a kit for the Land Raider Ares, best of both worlds.

So here is my upcoming ourchase list. The wife preemptively took the Amazon credit for something we actually needed. However, my birthday is coming up and I worked a bunch of overtime and had a paid holiday. So, here are some of the things I am going to get. Any more stuff I should add to the list?

1. Aegis Defense Line: Gives my Dev squad some protection and I also get a dedicated AA platform as well. I could use this in place of the Contemptor Mortis if someone refuses to play with Forgeworld or tournaments ban them.
2. Reclusiam Command Squad Chaplain: Getting this off the swap shop. To fill a hole in my HQs.
3. Vindicator: Pie plate beats transport I likely will never use.

A box of Sternguards, Tacticals, and a Drop Pod might be in order as well. Any other suggestions?

i would aim to get a battle companys worth, i have just finshed the ultramarines second company and it offers a wide range of games and how to play them


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I got the Aegis Defense Line and a Chaplain and that is probably going to be it for this army for a while. I am going to be starting a Blood Angels army starting with the Deathstorm boxed set.

Centurions! How do you run a space marine army without the single best unit in the entire codex? 15 shots re rolling wounds, plus the twin linked hurricane bolters, they can take out just about anything. Also they're fun to build and paint.

Toofast wrote:
Centurions! How do you run a space marine army without the single best unit in the entire codex? 15 shots re rolling wounds, plus the twin linked hurricane bolters, they can take out just about anything. Also they're fun to build and paint.

Russian Doll Marines. Not on my priorities list. Though SoT Marines do make better use of Cents since they can field them in a variety of slots.

I guess I should ask, do you want to win games or just have a fun/fluffy army? If winning, I don't see why you would ever go without them. If not, I understand not liking the models or fluff.

I like winning and the fluff. But I am frugal.

I've seen basically 2 ways to play space marines that win. 1 is white scars on bikes with hit and run. The other is pod spam with grav cents for backup and maybe an IK. Just my experience from looking at space marine GT lists that have done well in 7th.

Here is what I have now (changes are bolded)

HQ
Pedro Kantor
Honour Guard (1 with Relic Blade, 4x Power Sword)
Space Marine Captain (Relic Blade and Storm Bolter)
Librarian with Staff and Book
Chaplain with Bolt Pistol and Crosius Arcanum (he would have that weird SoT relic if I ran him)
Command Squad (Apothecary, 4x Combi-Plasma)

Elite
10 Sternguard Marines (6 with Combi-Melta)
5 Assault Terminators (3x THSS, 2x Dual-Lightning Claws)
Contemptor Dreadnought (Kheres x2, CML)
Dreadnought (AC, DCCW w/ HF)

Troops
Tactical Squad (Combi-Melta, Meltagun)
Tactical Squad (Combi-Plasma, Plasmagun)
5x AoBR Marines with bolters
Scout Squad (5x Bolters)

Fast Attack
Assault Squad (Power Maul, 2x Flamers) These guys have been given to my Blood Angels and had their Flamers changed to Meltaguns
Stormtalon Gunship (Magnetized for Skyhammer ML or TLLC)
2x Land Speeder (HB + TML each)

Heavy Support
Devastator Squad (4x Las, 2x ML, 2x HB, PC, MM, and Sarge)
Predator (AC + HB Sponsons)

Transports
2 Rhinos
1 Razorback (HB or LC turrets)
1 Drop Pod
Land Speeder Storm

Blood Angels

HQ
Sanguinary Priest
Captain Karlaen (my only mostly-finished BA piece, check out my gallery)

Elites
10 Death Company (Jump Packs, 1x PF, 2x PS)
Sanguinary Guard x5 (3x Sword Encarmine, 1x Axe Encarmine, 1x PF)
Terminator Squad (Assault Cannon, 3x PF/SB, Sergeant)
Death Company Dreadnought (Blood Talons, Meltagun, Storm Bolter) - May also be used as Cassor the Damned for a Troops choice

Troops
Tactical Squad (Combi-Flamer, Flamer, Heavy Flamer)
Sniper Scout Squad (Camo Cloaks, Sniper Rifles x5)

Fast Attack
5 Assault Squad Marines (Power Maul, 2x Meltagun)

Heavy Support
Stormraven Gunship (MM, TLAsC, Hurricane Bolters)

What else should I get for my Blood Angels? Obviously I need more HQ stuff, but I can't decide which ones to get. I also want to get Dante, but he is out of stock on GeeDubs. I may give one of my unfinished Crimson Fists Rhinos to my Blood Angels and give the Crimson Fists a Drop Pod instead. My Blood Angels wishlist is as follows:

1 Captain with Jump Pack OR 1 Chaplain with Jump Pack (OR Both?!)
Commander Dante (if I can find the Fether!)
Vanguard Veteran Squad (No idea on what to do with them)
Assault Squad (might do another Meltagun loadout for them)
TriLas Predator or Baal Predator
Vindicator (for the turbocharged pie-plate drops)
Bike Squad (for some relentless Gravgun action)

So, after a long hiatus on this thread, a few new things. One, my wife has given me a $100 a month spending limit on hobbies. This is down from whatever I wanted. So now I have to plan purchases in advance. I have made some additions to my Crimson Fists, but not a lot. Two, the new codex has opened up a few options that I wouldn't mind taking advantage of, but lack the models for at the current time. I made an update to the first post as to the current composition of my Crimson Fists collection. Note: Already blew this month's ration on the new codex and a Devastator Box (so now I have two complete squads, one LC and the other ML).

So here are some of my thoughts on stuff I could get. These are in no particular order.

1. Scouts - the buff on the WS/BS makes them pretty good now. I am fairly set on troops as of right now, but if I were to run the Gladius, I would need to get two more squads for the 10th Company Task Force formation.
2. Stalkers - the addition of Interceptor and full BS Split Fire has made these some of the best AA available. A squadron of them would be good (though it would need to be spread out over a couple months)
3. Thunderfire Cannons - Buffed on multiple fronts, including the buff to the Techmarine Gunner (two wounds!). Speaking of which...
4. Techmarine - for 15 pts they got an additional wound and better stats. Would probably either get the one with the Servitors and built them all with Servo-Arms for maximum tank fixing.
5. Centurions - I know I knocked Russian Doll Marines before, but now I kinda want to get some of the Assault variant to run with Pedro Kantor. They put out an absurd amount of murder for their points. They would go in Pedro's new wheels (the Land Raider Redeemer). Techmarine and a Servitor can come too. Another option would be to get the Devastator variant and trick them out with Grav Cannons and get them going.
6. Bike Squad(s) - I know Grav Bikes are all the rage, so I kinda want to get a squad of them since I lack Grav in this army. Though a Grav Command Squad on bikes would be good too.
7. MOAR Sternguard - Because I run Pedro and he makes Sternies ObSec. If I run a Gladius, having two squads of Sternguard and a squad of Terminators would work fairly well.
8. Tactical Squad - Yup, another boring old Tactical Squad. But in order to build a Demi-Company, I need to get another one. And a Rhino.

Keep in mind my primary opponents are Dark Angels (Ravenwing bikes primarily) and Tyranids (Lictors).

If you get assault centurions, I would suggest a crusader... You can only fit three in a redeemer with a character. A crusader can allow you to fit five and a character.

16 s10 attacks on the charge coming out of a land raider is pretty gnarly.

Edit: storm talons are still the best AA Imo; it can be anti ground in addition to its ability to shoot at aerial targets, where if you are playing pretty much any mech/infantry imperial army or orks or any army that doesn't make use of skimmers, your stalkers would just be wasted points.

 Crazyterran wrote:
If you get assault centurions, I would suggest a crusader... You can only fit three in a redeemer with a character. A crusader can allow you to fit five and a character.

16 s10 attacks on the charge coming out of a land raider is pretty gnarly.

Edit: storm talons are still the best AA Imo; it can be anti ground in addition to its ability to shoot at aerial targets, where if you are playing pretty much any mech/infantry imperial army or orks or any army that doesn't make use of skimmers, your stalkers would just be wasted points.

Redeemer is already built :(
I probably wouldn't run more than three Centurions anyway though. Wouldn't it be 12 though 3(Base + 1 CCW + 1 Charge + 1 OoR)= 12. Where do those extra three attacks come from. Not complaining, by any means.

Getting more Stormtalons is something I hadn't even thought of. Might have to look into that. Since they don't squadron, maybe just one more for now. They are easy to magnetize, so another one is pretty versatile.

EDIT: it appears as though my math has been off for the Cents, I keep automatically factoring in the Veteran Sergeant by accident. I adjusted the math above.

Look at getting some air power, and maybe some specialists like terminators and scouts are never a bad investment.

 ionusx wrote:
Look at getting some air power, and maybe some specialists like terminators and scouts are never a bad investment.

Yeah, probably going to get a second Stormtalon. A box of Centurions is probably on the list of eventual buys as well. I have about as many Terminators as I could ever want or use right now. In spite of their price reduction, they just aren't really worth it. The fact that Pedro makes them murderous in CC is about the only saving grace for them in my army. Tactical Terminators my synergize a little better with him, though. Scouts and another Land Speeder Storm would allow me to run both of them as Troops and free up some points from being able to remove my two Tactical Squads (*sniff* would be a sad day).

EDIT: If I do end up getting some Assault Centurions for Pedro, how should I load them out? I am actually a fan of keeping the TL Flamers instead of upgrading to a TL Meltagun, since I have so much anti-vehicle as is, and they will mulch any vehicle that is in Melta range anyway. Hurricane Bolters seem like they would be more useful to me as well instead of Ironclad Assault Launchers. Is there something I am missing in regard to the IAL?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
If you get assault centurions, I would suggest a crusader... You can only fit three in a redeemer with a character. A crusader can allow you to fit five and a character.

16 s10 attacks on the charge coming out of a land raider is pretty gnarly.

Edit: storm talons are still the best AA Imo; it can be anti ground in addition to its ability to shoot at aerial targets, where if you are playing pretty much any mech/infantry imperial army or orks or any army that doesn't make use of skimmers, your stalkers would just be wasted points.

Redeemer is already built :(
I probably wouldn't run more than three Centurions anyway though. Wouldn't it be 12 though 3(Base + 1 CCW + 1 Charge + 1 OoR)= 12. Where do those extra three attacks come from. Not complaining, by any means.

Getting more Stormtalons is something I hadn't even thought of. Might have to look into that. Since they don't squadron, maybe just one more for now. They are easy to magnetize, so another one is pretty versatile.

EDIT: it appears as though my math has been off for the Cents, I keep automatically factoring in the Veteran Sergeant by accident. I adjusted the math above.

I was doing th math for five with a veteran sergeant. I honestly forgot about oath of rynn; play to much Ultramarines I guess.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So, after a long hiatus on this thread, a few new things. One, my wife has given me a $100 a month spending limit on hobbies. This is down from whatever I wanted. So now I have to plan purchases in advance. I have made some additions to my Crimson Fists, but not a lot. Two, the new codex has opened up a few options that I wouldn't mind taking advantage of, but lack the models for at the current time. I made an update to the first post as to the current composition of my Crimson Fists collection. Note: Already blew this month's ration on the new codex and a Devastator Box (so now I have two complete squads, one LC and the other ML).

So here are some of my thoughts on stuff I could get. These are in no particular order.

1. Scouts - the buff on the WS/BS makes them pretty good now. I am fairly set on troops as of right now, but if I were to run the Gladius, I would need to get two more squads for the 10th Company Task Force formation.
2. Stalkers - the addition of Interceptor and full BS Split Fire has made these some of the best AA available. A squadron of them would be good (though it would need to be spread out over a couple months)
3. Thunderfire Cannons - Buffed on multiple fronts, including the buff to the Techmarine Gunner (two wounds!). Speaking of which...
4. Techmarine - for 15 pts they got an additional wound and better stats. Would probably either get the one with the Servitors and built them all with Servo-Arms for maximum tank fixing.
5. Centurions - I know I knocked Russian Doll Marines before, but now I kinda want to get some of the Assault variant to run with Pedro Kantor. They put out an absurd amount of murder for their points. They would go in Pedro's new wheels (the Land Raider Redeemer). Techmarine and a Servitor can come too. Another option would be to get the Devastator variant and trick them out with Grav Cannons and get them going.
6. Bike Squad(s) - I know Grav Bikes are all the rage, so I kinda want to get a squad of them since I lack Grav in this army. Though a Grav Command Squad on bikes would be good too.
7. MOAR Sternguard - Because I run Pedro and he makes Sternies ObSec. If I run a Gladius, having two squads of Sternguard and a squad of Terminators would work fairly well.
8. Tactical Squad - Yup, another boring old Tactical Squad. But in order to build a Demi-Company, I need to get another one. And a Rhino.

Keep in mind my primary opponents are Dark Angels (Ravenwing bikes primarily) and Tyranids (Lictors).

Adding more scouts is a good idea. In addition to use as a 10th company formation, they can fill the troops tax if you need a CAD to accompany your Gladuis.

It looks like you can run the new formation as is, without more tacs. They don’t need to be full ten man squads. They just should be. That said, it might be worth picking up a sternguard box and a tac box next month. Use most of the bits to add more vets, with half the tac squad stretching the SG box. The rest of the tacs can either boost the troops, or add more Dev options.

The 1st company formation looks to be really nice. Especially as a fists player who can bolter drill special ammo. I’d make that your next goal, as it should be easy to reach. Most of the other formations you are a ways off from completing. What you could do is grab some whirlwinds, rather then rhinos, to get transports. They can be sued in their own formation, or as cheap filler in the armored force. Depends, of course, how you feel about tanks.

Getting a box of Sternguard and a box of Tacticals would actually result in me getting 10 Sternguard and 10 Tacticals by virtue of the AoBR Marines I have. Though PA bodies and Rhino-Pattern tanks are low on my to- buy list because that is most of all I have done so far. I would also need to get another Drop Pod as that is the preferred method of delivery for Sternguard.

As of right now, I am leaning toward another Stormtalon and a box of Centurions. If I end up doing a Gladius, it would only be a Demi-Company, Pedro, and an Auxilliary. More than likely the 1st Company.

I ended up being able to pick up some used bikes in a trade so now I have six unbuilt bikes. I am making them with Grav, how should I do it? I could make them as a Command Squad and have 4 Grav guns and an apothecary, or I could do a regular Grav Bike squad with two Grav guns and a combi-grav. Which would be the better option?

I reformulated my Honour Guard, and will probably run them with Pedro instead of Centurions. If I give 6 of them a Banner (making them cost as much as the Centurions), they pump out 37 attacks a turn, 44 if you count Pedro. The squad is 3 swords (one of which is the champion) and 3 mauls. The Concussive will help Pedro out.

I still plan on getting another Stormtalon.

EDIT: If the Command Squad IS the better option, does anyone have any good ideas for converting Nartheciums? I have an Apothecary backpack from a Jump Command Squad I made for my Blood Angels, but the Narthecium is in use.

HOLY CRAP THREAD NECRO!

So it's been a while since I posted in this thread. I have picked up quite a few new things. Now I am looking to add just a little bit more. Namely, $85+ USD more(I want to enter the Dream Army contest).

Part of me wants to just get a squad of Centurions to make Grav Centurions with, but still think that kit is absurdly overpriced, so I think it is out.

I do still need two more Vindicators, so one of those is probably going to make the list. I kinda like the new SM Flyer, the Stormhawk, so that is a possibility (though I hate that they nerfed my Stormtalons!). Since my Stormtalons lost Skyfire, I was also looking at the Stalker tank. While completing a squad of Vindicators is a bigger priority, I wouldn't mind having some increased Anti-air, especially since some people might use Death From the Skies. Not an immediate priority. Another option is a Thunderfire Cannon, but I hate Finecast so that is lower on the list. Lastly, I think I want a Vindicare Assassin.

Based on the list in the first post, what should I get for my collection, Dakka?!

If you pick up a stalker, you could easily use the hunter part of the kit as a TFC, just by putting it on the table with a techmarine. Or if you have a spare rhino hull with the top not glued, field both AA tanks at once. If you are in flyer heavy meta, getting the AA formation on the table might not be a bad idea.

Vindis are fun tanks, but I think getting a full squadron is overkill. Getting a second if you only have one might be worth it though.

Given your choices, I’d pick two from the stormhawk, stalker, and vindi. The only real problem is that’s going well over budget, and they are all vehicles. Which can be irritating to paint.

I like the way the new assassins look, but can’t advocate $30 minis. If you want one, I’d look to trade/e-bay instead. Hopefully GW will realize they are crazy and tone it down a bit. Not holding my breath though.

Getting a 3rd scout squad for the 10th co, or a LSS to drag them around would also be a good idea.

But a total of three Vindicators equals giant, Ignores Cover, Pie Plate of Doom! I am only buying them one at a time, but the goal is a full squad.

I can't really think of a scenario where I would ever use three scout squads. I could get some scout bikes for something different though.

I need something that is around $30...

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
But a total of three Vindicators equals giant, Ignores Cover, Pie Plate of Doom! I am only buying them one at a time, but the goal is a full squad.

I can't really think of a scenario where I would ever use three scout squads. I could get some scout bikes for something different though.

I need something that is around $30...

10th company formation is one of the lowest point auxiliaries for the gladius. Which is why you need 3. Scout bikes could fit the role if you are not adverse to them. Fun little unit as well. You can scout them forward with a locator for ultra precise pod landings. And if they get shot at, just jink. They will eat a disproportionate amount of fire.

 Nevelon wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
But a total of three Vindicators equals giant, Ignores Cover, Pie Plate of Doom! I am only buying them one at a time, but the goal is a full squad.

I can't really think of a scenario where I would ever use three scout squads. I could get some scout bikes for something different though.

I need something that is around $30...

10th company formation is one of the lowest point auxiliaries for the gladius. Which is why you need 3. Scout bikes could fit the role if you are not adverse to them. Fun little unit as well. You can scout them forward with a locator for ultra precise pod landings. And if they get shot at, just jink. They will eat a disproportionate amount of fire.

Crimson Fists. I can take a 100 pt TFC as an Aux! I run a 1st Company Task Force though.

A new army.

 master of ordinance wrote:
A new army.

If I do, it would probably be Eldar or Tau. But I already have two armies and have no real desire to get another.

Dakka Centurions? They're pretty awesome.

 Griddlelol wrote:
Dakka Centurions? They're pretty awesome.

Yeah, I addressed that. I don't like that over half the kit would go unused. I am going to see about getting just the Grav Centurion parts from a bits seller if it would be cheaper.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
A new army.

If I do, it would probably be Eldar or Tau. But I already have two armies and have no real desire to get another.

Knights

 master of ordinance wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
A new army.

If I do, it would probably be Eldar or Tau. But I already have two armies and have no real desire to get another.

Knights

I don't consider Knights an army. But...that Renegade game would give me the stuff I need to make a couple different Knights for my existing armies. Warden and an Errant (Gerantius!).