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Cavalry who aren't terrible in melee who also give you a channel attempt?

Skill cannon spam hahaha

 FlingitNow wrote:
In normal magic I completely see the value in Warlocks and always ran them in my Morathi lists. In ET magic they serve no function. Yes Morathi can't be everywhere but she's going to win you the game in ET Magic so you want as much dice going through her as possible. Support wizards with other Lords are useful (largely to carry a scroll) but Warlocks to me seem pointless. Unless I'm missing something?

In ET magic warlocks serve no function? Ha. If only you could be more wrong.

They are 125 points for loremastery on death and dark. With an inbuild 4+ ward. As opposed to Morathi, they have 5 wounds to her 3.

They can get into far easier positions due to vanguard and free reforms.

They can charge in and give you free power dice to gain bonus strength.

They can provide multiple soulblights to provide a versatile threat zone for all the bolt throwers.

They can provide a Purple sun with far less drawbacks.

They're a safer death platform.

They're a safer dark platform.

They're better in combat.

They control the movement phase.

As opposed to Morathi, who is better at casting.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
In normal magic I completely see the value in Warlocks and always ran them in my Morathi lists. In ET magic they serve no function. Yes Morathi can't be everywhere but she's going to win you the game in ET Magic so you want as much dice going through her as possible. Support wizards with other Lords are useful (largely to carry a scroll) but Warlocks to me seem pointless. Unless I'm missing something?

In ET magic warlocks serve no function? Ha. If only you could be more wrong.

They serve no function if you're taking Morathi.

They are 125 points for loremastery on death and dark. With an inbuild 4+ ward. As opposed to Morathi, they have 5 wounds to her 3.

They do not have Lore master of either not sure where you are getting that from. If they did have rerolls to cast then they'd have more function in a Morathi list (though that is still debatable). The rest is a reason to take them instead of Morathi rather than with.

They can get into far easier positions due to vanguard and free reforms.

Vanguard helps, I don't see why free reforms makes a difference compared to a flying solo model.

They can charge in and give you free power dice to gain bonus strength.

I assume you're trying to talk about power from darkness? You would NEVER cast that with them if you have Morathi on the field. Being lvl 2 means you'll need to throw 3 dice at it to have a strong chance of success meaning you're generally losing dice by attempting it. Where as Morathi casts it on a 3+ so you can 1 dice it repeatedly at the start of the magic phase. Your opponent can waste 2-3 dice trying to stop it (win for you) or just let you get d3-1 extra dice until you fail a 3+ roll.

They can provide multiple soulblights to provide a versatile threat zone for all the bolt throwers.

Not as well as Morathi. Again her bonuses to cast make her far more effective at this.

They can provide a Purple sun with far less drawbacks.

They can throw a dice away on purple sun 67% of the time (if you roll a 1-4 for dice you probably don't even bother attempting it). Where Morathi should be fairly confident of getting it of on 3 dice and has an outside chance on 2 (and for 1 extra dice its probably worth the punt). Have you even played this game? Or are you just exceedingly lucky? I would never attempt Purple Sun with Warlocks as it is likely to do little put waste dice, unless I'm desperate or Morathi is dead.

They're a safer death platform.

They're a safer dark platform.

They're better in combat.

These are reasons to take them instead of Morathi not with Morathi.

They control the movement phase.

Dark Riders do that cheaper and better.

As opposed to Morathi, who is better at casting.

So again you seem fixated on comparing them to Morathi without a single valid reason to include them in a list that already has Morathi. I never said Doomfires were bad or pointless. Just that in a Morathi list using ET magic they are redundant. She's going to want most if not all the dice, she's going to want to cast all the useful Death & Dark spells. If you could take them Sisters of the Throne would make more sense in a Morathi list (despite them being not near as good as Warlocks). Warlocks are brilliant but don't take them in a Morathi list they are not needed there.

For a start, under End Times Magic Morathi is good. And yes. She can carry an army. But she can also do nothing. If you've played any games with her against a skilled opponent you'd understand why you need the warlocks.

As for the loremastery comment, I mistyped. I should have said pseudo-loremastery. And if you really can't see the benefit of having a 5 wound death platform that is immune to cascading, power draining, or losing a bunch of dice, then maybe Dark Elves aren't the army for you.

If you roll a 1-4 for the sun, you still have to roll a minimum of 1 dice at it. And if you think Morathi is a safer platform for casting, you are beyond wrong. Warlocks will NEVER lose spells, or cascade. Their miscast will often do no wounds to themselves, which is a much more favourable result.


And yes, Dark Riders control the game better and cheaper, but they have far less synergy with Morathi than Warlocks. And if you still can't see it, do the world a favour and stop playing Dark Elves.

Again, Morathi shouldn't consume most of your dice, if you play well. She only casts when she needs to. Warlocks do death and dark much safer, so they're your primary casters.

Avenger dont start with the people need to stop playing the game because they do not play the way you do.

As for the new rules...It's different with archeon. All of my meta has mutually agreed to just regress to normal 8th edition rules until 9th edition comes out. Some of the ET rules were fun, but many others were well...lacking and not thought through. I mean IT would be awesome to run an entire list of nothing but warlocks and bolt throwers, but it is no fun.

That is my opinion anyway, take it for what it's worth.

 Pelas Mir'san wrote:
Avenger dont start with the people need to stop playing the game because they do not play the way you do.

As for the new rules...It's different with archeon. All of my meta has mutually agreed to just regress to normal 8th edition rules until 9th edition comes out. Some of the ET rules were fun, but many others were well...lacking and not thought through. I mean IT would be awesome to run an entire list of nothing but warlocks and bolt throwers, but it is no fun.

That is my opinion anyway, take it for what it's worth.

It's not that he doesn't play the way i do. It's that he can't see a synergy that should be obvious to a dead monkey.

I don't know what it is called across the pond, but here we have a saying. "You can lead a horse to water and but you can't make it drink."

I see the synergy, but I despise dark elves (high elf person myself ). Maybe he will sit down and it will come together, don't know, not making any assumptions.

Back to the OP, to me, i think this has broke the game. I mean it already was, but I mean I can seriously monster mash and I don't need core?! That is just crazy.

It won't break the game for the simple reason Unbound didn't break 40k.

People will simply not play it, tournaments will not support it, and life will go on.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
For a start, under End Times Magic Morathi is good. And yes. She can carry an army. But she can also do nothing. If you've played any games with her against a skilled opponent you'd understand why you need the warlocks.

As for the loremastery comment, I mistyped. I should have said pseudo-loremastery. And if you really can't see the benefit of having a 5 wound death platform that is immune to cascading, power draining, or losing a bunch of dice, then maybe Dark Elves aren't the army for you.

If you roll a 1-4 for the sun, you still have to roll a minimum of 1 dice at it. And if you think Morathi is a safer platform for casting, you are beyond wrong. Warlocks will NEVER lose spells, or cascade. Their miscast will often do no wounds to themselves, which is a much more favourable result.


And yes, Dark Riders control the game better and cheaper, but they have far less synergy with Morathi than Warlocks. And if you still can't see it, do the world a favour and stop playing Dark Elves.

Again, Morathi shouldn't consume most of your dice, if you play well. She only casts when she needs to. Warlocks do death and dark much safer, so they're your primary casters.

Probably because the level I play at is a lot less forgiving I am very aggressive with Morathi in the magic phase. I use her to bully my opponent. The chances of a bad miscast when you're rarely throwing more than 2 dice at a spell. I'm not saying that Warlocks are poor, just they really add nothing to a Morathi list.

The fact you think they are primary casters in ET magic is frankly laughable. Lvl2 wizards are desperation calls in ET magic heck most of the time they struggle to cast even 1 soul light, you get 1 dice it is a fail and even 2 dice you've a strong chance of failing. In ET you should avoid spells that require 3+ dice to cast except once or twice a turn. The fact that most spells are 3 dice for Warlocks is what makes them weak and add it that your opponent probably needs less dice to dispell and unlikely to need more you're making life easier for your opponent. Morathi forces your opponent to burn through dispell dice, often requiring 2-3 dice just to stop a 1 dice Morathi spell.

 FlingitNow wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
For a start, under End Times Magic Morathi is good. And yes. She can carry an army. But she can also do nothing. If you've played any games with her against a skilled opponent you'd understand why you need the warlocks.

As for the loremastery comment, I mistyped. I should have said pseudo-loremastery. And if you really can't see the benefit of having a 5 wound death platform that is immune to cascading, power draining, or losing a bunch of dice, then maybe Dark Elves aren't the army for you.

If you roll a 1-4 for the sun, you still have to roll a minimum of 1 dice at it. And if you think Morathi is a safer platform for casting, you are beyond wrong. Warlocks will NEVER lose spells, or cascade. Their miscast will often do no wounds to themselves, which is a much more favourable result.


And yes, Dark Riders control the game better and cheaper, but they have far less synergy with Morathi than Warlocks. And if you still can't see it, do the world a favour and stop playing Dark Elves.

Again, Morathi shouldn't consume most of your dice, if you play well. She only casts when she needs to. Warlocks do death and dark much safer, so they're your primary casters.

Probably because the level I play at is a lot less forgiving I am very aggressive with Morathi in the magic phase. I use her to bully my opponent. The chances of a bad miscast when you're rarely throwing more than 2 dice at a spell. I'm not saying that Warlocks are poor, just they really add nothing to a Morathi list.

The fact you think they are primary casters in ET magic is frankly laughable. Lvl2 wizards are desperation calls in ET magic heck most of the time they struggle to cast even 1 soul light, you get 1 dice it is a fail and even 2 dice you've a strong chance of failing. In ET you should avoid spells that require 3+ dice to cast except once or twice a turn. The fact that most spells are 3 dice for Warlocks is what makes them weak and add it that your opponent probably needs less dice to dispell and unlikely to need more you're making life easier for your opponent. Morathi forces your opponent to burn through dispell dice, often requiring 2-3 dice just to stop a 1 dice Morathi spell.

There you go. You play at a low level. Morathi should never cast when she doesn't need to. Warlocks are a literal platform for you to pour all the dice into to build up for Morathi to finish the job. Morathi can be an aggressive tool if used properly. And that requires good positioning, which the synergies grant. Without Warlocks, you're throwing away the biggest synergy in the army. And if you can't see that, then god help you, because I certainly cant.

Cool so you don't play competitively and that is why you think you can get away with throwing points down the toilet. If you're a big fish in a small pond you can get away with all sorts of weak tactics. My advice is you try to play more games of ET magic so you can get to grips with it. Then try to find some semi competitive players to play against and you'll quickly learn why I nearly laughed out load at the idea of using a lvl2 as your primary caster in ET magic. Who knows in a couple of years youmay even be able to enter some small tournaments and win a game or two. Good luck and I hope you do well at your level, but as I say you will need to play more if you want to improve.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Cool so you don't play competitively and that is why you think you can get away with throwing points down the toilet. If you're a big fish in a small pond you can get away with all sorts of weak tactics. My advice is you try to play more games of ET magic so you can get to grips with it. Then try to find some semi competitive players to play against and you'll quickly learn why I nearly laughed out load at the idea of using a lvl2 as your primary caster in ET magic. Who knows in a couple of years youmay even be able to enter some small tournaments and win a game or two. Good luck and I hope you do well at your level, but as I say you will need to play more if you want to improve.

I do play competitively. Have done so since 6th. With Morathi to boot. Here's a hint. My regular opponent is a guy who regularly beats folk like Big Dogger Diese, and Matt Yeo. Once you figure out how to play at that level, talk to me.

If you think Morathi can solo a magic phase, put down your warhammer, as you shoul be a 40k player. Where tactics don't come into play.

I do play competitively. Have done so since 6th. With Morathi to boot. Here's a hint. My regular opponent is a guy who regularly beats folk like Big Dogger Diese, and Matt Yeo. Once you figure out how to play at that level, talk to me.

If you think Morathi can solo a magic phase, put down your warhammer, as you shoul be a 40k player. Where tactics don't come into play.

Well either your regular opponent smashes you every time, or they are telling you fibs, or you've not played ET magic. Then play some End Times against them. I'm 11 wins from 13 vs Dan Thomas (I do miss him since he's gone to Cyprus) and 4 from 4 vs Andy Spires. Seriously get out more and find some more opponents and you might learn the game better. If you think a lvl2 can be your main caster in ET magic you haven't played ET magic.

I am also a 40k player and guess what it takes tactics too. It is less gamey than fantasy, but lacking gamey tricks does not prevent a game from being tactical (poor mission design can 6th Ed 40k lacked any sort of tactics). 39 dice magic phases don't require tactics, purple sun doesn't require tactics (invisibility doesn't require tactics either). Both games have their faults but both are fun and enjoyable.

Gotta love internet bravura pissing matches over a game of army men.

Saldiven wrote:
Gotta love internet bravura pissing matches over a game of army men.

I Exalt this, it could not be said better.

 Pelas Mir'san wrote:

Saldiven wrote:
Gotta love internet bravura pissing matches over a game of army men.

I Exalt this, it could not be said better.

Army men are mono-pose and mono-chromatic. Warhammer gets posed, figures get named, and decorated.
It's more like,

Gotta love internet bravura pissing matches over a game of dress-up war-dolls.

-Matt

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 Pelas Mir'san wrote:

Saldiven wrote:
Gotta love internet bravura pissing matches over a game of army men.

I Exalt this, it could not be said better.

Army men are mono-pose and mono-chromatic. Warhammer gets posed, figures get named, and decorated.
It's more like,

Gotta love internet bravura pissing matches over a game of dress-up war-dolls.

-Matt

Touche to the lot of you! Exalts all round

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 Pelas Mir'san wrote:

Saldiven wrote:
Gotta love internet bravura pissing matches over a game of army men.

I Exalt this, it could not be said better.

Army men are mono-pose and mono-chromatic. Warhammer gets posed, figures get named, and decorated.
It's more like,

Gotta love internet bravura pissing matches over a game of dress-up war-dolls.

-Matt

I approve of this constructive edit. Props to you, Matt.

Saldiven wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 Pelas Mir'san wrote:

Saldiven wrote:
Gotta love internet bravura pissing matches over a game of army men.

I Exalt this, it could not be said better.

Army men are mono-pose and mono-chromatic. Warhammer gets posed, figures get named, and decorated.
It's more like,

Gotta love internet bravura pissing matches over a game of dress-up war-dolls.

-Matt

I approve of this constructive edit. Props to you, Matt.

I can only take credit for the dress-up war-dolls, internet bravura pissing matches is genius. Great team effort.

Look everyone! Strangers can get along on the internet!

-Matt

Look everyone! Strangers can get along on the internet! 

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