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2015/05/13 15:34:18
Subject: Re:D3negra
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
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Grey Templar wrote:She might have 1-2 more spells, or its balanced out by her secondary versions have 4 spells between them that she can also potentially cast. Remember she's effectively only got 4 focus to play with if she "upkeeps" her past and future versions. I'm not saying that it isn't balanced, I'm saying that fluff wise casters usually have a number of spells directly related to their FOC stat and this would be breaking that "rule". Of course she could have no more spells or have 3 more spells that are highly situational and were never cast in that battle report... No way of knowing for another month. Automatically Appended Next Post: No, it really isn't. Haley2's feat is arguably the most powerful feat in the game, this one's is just another feat that grants more focus to the caster and there are plenty of those around (its still nice though, I'm not complaining).
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2015/05/13 15:37:13
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2015/05/13 15:37:03
Subject: Re:D3negra
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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True, but Haley3 is breaking a lot of design rules. I would consider her past and future selves to take a spell slot as far as design is concerned. She is gaining an effective 4 Focus(for allocation purposes) and access to 3 more spells.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2015/05/13 15:42:02
Subject: Re:D3negra
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Drakhun
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PhantomViper wrote: Grey Templar wrote:She might have 1-2 more spells, or its balanced out by her secondary versions have 4 spells between them that she can also potentially cast.
Remember she's effectively only got 4 focus to play with if she "upkeeps" her past and future versions.
I'm not saying that it isn't balanced, I'm saying that fluff wise casters usually have a number of spells directly related to their FOC stat and this would be breaking that "rule". Of course she could have no more spells or have 3 more spells that are highly situational and were never cast in that battle report... No way of knowing for another month.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
No, it really isn't. Haley2's feat is arguably the most powerful feat in the game, this one's is just another feat that grants more focus to the caster and there are plenty of those around (its still nice though, I'm not complaining).
I'm a Khador player so it's nicer for me. There is a reason I carry a metal Juggernaut in my sock. Automatically Appended Next Post: Grey Templar wrote:True, but Haley3 is breaking a lot of design rules. I would consider her past and future selves to take a spell slot as far as design is concerned. She is gaining an effective 4 Focus(for allocation purposes) and access to 3 more spells.
It might be that she has a reduced spell list to make up for the fact that there are three of them.
We also don't know what happens if one of them dies. I doubt it will be Haley Paradox, but maybe there is a chance it will hurt Haley too.
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DS:90-S+G+++M++B-IPw40k03+D+A++/fWD-R++T(T)DM+
Warmachine MKIII record 39W/0D/6L
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2015/05/13 16:11:27
Subject: D3negra
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Monstrous Master Moulder
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Lots of cool models being released. Can't wait to play against some of these models
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2015/05/14 16:11:35
Subject: D3negra
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Purged Thrall
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I'm on the Haley3 looks balanced train for now.
Yes, with all 3 versions up she's a pseudo 12 focus caster, but to cast at least force hammer and revive, future or past needs to cast it first. Even revive can only be spammed 5 times on feat turn (twice on future, 3 times on Haley with no past up and pulling from squire), but that leaves her on 0 camp.
I think she can run jacks pretty well, which will be a pain (imagine 3 or 4 loaded heavies most turns), but she actually looks fun to play and play against.
As to her other versions being killed, I don't think it has an effect on prime. Most likely she'll have to resummon them, which isn't bad since she loses 2 focus and part of her spell list.
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2015/05/14 16:16:34
Subject: D3negra
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Drakhun
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novaspike wrote:I'm on the Haley3 looks balanced train for now.
Yes, with all 3 versions up she's a pseudo 12 focus caster, but to cast at least force hammer and revive, future or past needs to cast it first. Even revive can only be spammed 5 times on feat turn (twice on future, 3 times on Haley with no past up and pulling from squire), but that leaves her on 0 camp.
I think she can run jacks pretty well, which will be a pain (imagine 3 or 4 loaded heavies most turns), but she actually looks fun to play and play against.
As to her other versions being killed, I don't think it has an effect on prime. Most likely she'll have to resummon them, which isn't bad since she loses 2 focus and part of her spell list.
Actually I doubt she can run many jacks at all. I don't think the other two Haley's will be able to allocate focus, meaning that regular Haley would only have four left. Maybe Thorn to use as an arc node perhaps?
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DS:90-S+G+++M++B-IPw40k03+D+A++/fWD-R++T(T)DM+
Warmachine MKIII record 39W/0D/6L
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2015/05/14 16:18:27
Subject: D3negra
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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welshhoppo wrote: novaspike wrote:I'm on the Haley3 looks balanced train for now.
Yes, with all 3 versions up she's a pseudo 12 focus caster, but to cast at least force hammer and revive, future or past needs to cast it first. Even revive can only be spammed 5 times on feat turn (twice on future, 3 times on Haley with no past up and pulling from squire), but that leaves her on 0 camp.
I think she can run jacks pretty well, which will be a pain (imagine 3 or 4 loaded heavies most turns), but she actually looks fun to play and play against.
As to her other versions being killed, I don't think it has an effect on prime. Most likely she'll have to resummon them, which isn't bad since she loses 2 focus and part of her spell list.
Actually I doubt she can run many jacks at all. I don't think the other two Haley's will be able to allocate focus, meaning that regular Haley would only have four left. Maybe Thorn to use as an arc node perhaps?
We know the past and future versions can allocate.
What isn't clear is if they can allocate to jacks in Haley's control range or only their little 8" control ranges.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2015/05/14 16:59:46
Subject: D3negra
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Hallowed Canoness
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Do we know what happens if a future/past version gets killed? Especially if it is the past version, does it not create a paradox that remove from play every model on the table?
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2015/05/14 17:02:53
Subject: D3negra
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Do we know what happens if a future/past version gets killed? Especially if it is the past version, does it not create a paradox that remove from play every model on the table?
They aren't real versions they are just "echoes".
If they get killed Haley can just re-summon them.
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2015/05/14 18:15:50
Subject: D3negra
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Yup, they're really just imitations of the real thing.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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