Refusal to Play Unpainted

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**Haddi**

Anyone here refuse to play with unpainted armies? How about against unpainted armies?
Any set standards of quality for yours or his minis before you would play a game?

I refuse to play with any of my Blood Angels until they are at the very least basecoated with every color I plan to use. I'm ok with playing against any quality army. I don't like proxies, but I'll accept good ones. But now that I'm starting Fantasy, I'm wondering when the hell I'll have time to paint all my mini's, and seriously considering showing up with a Chaos Black Army.

What does Dakka say?

**SagesStone**

I don't mind versing unpainted armies from time to time. If you verse the same person, overtime you see it progress until it becomes complete.

Though there aren't many completed armies around here >_>
They're always nicer than grey plastic or just primed, but that's no real reason to refuse a game against someone.

**Haddi**

n0t_u wrote:I don't mind versing unpainted armies from time to time. If you verse the same person, overtime you see it progress until it becomes complete.

Though there aren't many completed armies around here >_>
They're always nicer than grey plastic or just primed, but that's no real reason to refuse a game against someone.

I hear ya. I'd say for the regulars in my place, maybe 60% go with Grey Plastic.

**Old Man Ultramarine**

I play with painted models. If I have a model that I want to test I might play it unpainted, but that is very rare.

I don't care what I play against as long as it's WYSIWYG. I would prefer to see painted armies, but that is no longer a goal of many players, sadly.

**Mattlov**

I have no problems playing against and unpainted army, or playing with an unpainted army. It is a game.

The refusal to play against one is utterly ridiculous. You CAN'T support that position without being a total D-bag.

**JSK-Fox**

I don't mind, but a recent rule at my GWS means we all need to paint our guys to play.
I don't really care, helps bring up standards.

**Hasdrubal**

JSK-Fox wrote:I don't mind, but a recent rule at my GWS means we all need to paint our guys to play.
I don't really care, helps bring up standards.

Back in the mid-90's you couldn't play in a GW with unpainted minis (or at least such were the rules in my areas). As for myself I prefer to show up with painted minis, but I don't have time to paint all models for the battle I'll apologize to the opponent. My objective is to play with finished minis (one of the reasons why my orks didn't see many battles so far

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**hemingway**

Mattlov wrote:I have no problems playing against and unpainted army, or playing with an unpainted army. It is a game.

The refusal to play against one is utterly ridiculous. You CAN'T support that position without being a total D-bag.

+1

it's a great way to make yourself look a pompous ass. i don't even care if it's wysiwyg within reason. the dude bought the army. it's about having fun. as long as the guy isn't trying to use quarter as a bloodthirster, i'm pretty much down with anything.

**grizgrin**

So long as the proxying is kept down to prevent confusion, I am not picky myself.

**carmachu**

Haddi wrote:
What does Dakka say?

Dont care as long as you have models. Even a decent proxy, although not an entire army of them, as it start getting confusing. DOnt care if any of the models on the table are painted, mine or theirs.

**eledamris**

I refuse to play with unpainted armies, but that's mainly because I have 10 fantasy armies of 5000pts + that are all fully painted, so I really have no excuse.

**BladeWalker**

I'm at the point now where I can only tolerate unpainted when I'm forced to (in a tournament that doesn't require painting). In friendly games I only play guys that are like minded (it's about the hobby as much as the game). I voted for both mine and theirs must be painted. I never used to be as harsh about painting but I have seen some things that just ruin the game over the past few years, not to say that you can't do what you want with your hobby... I just don't have to play you.

**malfred**

I voted they can be completely unpainted.

That way my army will always look better.

**Ruckdog**

I voted that I have to have mine painted, but I'm not as hung up on the other guy having his painted. That may seem weird, but I don't like the idea of forcing my ideas about the hobby onto my opponent.

Now, as it happens, a majority of the armies at the store where i currently play are painted, so it doesn't really come up that often!

**Acardia**

I never proxy, and all of my armies are mostly painted. For example my Tau need one unit of pathfinders painted and my Shas'el.

My high Elves are complete except the mage on horse(this weeks goal)

**Kanluwen**

As I said in the thread on this very topic not even three or four days ago...

Nobody minds unpainted armies to the extent that they'll refuse games. The only time you'll ever see it really become an issue is when you actively are known as a bandwagon hopper or have a bad reputation for proxy armies(which really only is an issue with the Marine 'dexes).

Then the "I only play painted armies." excuse comes in real handy for your opponent.

**Mr. Burning**

The state of the game now is that many many players have unpainted armies, so going to a store for a pick up game means facing a lot of gray plastic and bare metal.

In my group of friends its 3 colours minimum, basing optional. always has been and always will be.

I don't mind unpainted armies but it seems strange that this situation seems to be endemic in a hobby where playing the game and painting and modeling are so interlinked (my opinion anyway).

**Irdiumstern**

I really don't enjoy painting at all, so I'll pretty much always have grey plastic or at most primed models. Don't care what my opponent has out either
However, most of my stuff will be converted to some degree.

**timetowaste85**

In the FLGS that I work and play at, anyone is allowed to play, tournament or friendly games with unpainted minis: it's the owning player choices. We also allow proxies. However, since I created the tournament rules, I have added so that painting scores are added into a player's total score: 0 points for a bare plastic/primed army or less than 35% painted; 1 point for 35% or more, but not yet based (flock of any kind); 2 points (maximum) for fully painted/based army. I don't lower scores for the quality of painting (some people struggle with it) as long as the attempt is there. My players know they are welcome to play with any amount of painting of their choice, but they also know that not painting their army will dock them a few points in the tournament. All of them find it perfectly acceptable, and 95% of the time everyone gets 1 point because nobody has ALL of their models painted, but most of them have at least 50% done.

**Infneon**

I have a fully painted army and while I like looking at a battlefield full of painted minis, I wouldn't refuse to play against unpainted stuff

**oadie**

I would always prefer to play against a well-painted army, on a nice looking table, with a nicely painted army, myself. I, however, don't have a painted army, so who am I to judge? Perhaps I'll become more selective once all my models are painted and I have a nice big pool of opponents, but I doubt it. I'd rather have a fun game against a friendly opponent with a gray plastic army than play against an army of GD winning models with a

head for a general.

**lokilokust**

I tend not to enjoy playing with and against unpainted armies and prefer it when my opponent at least puts in some effort (hell, even if they're just sprayed one solid colour is still much better than just raw plastic/metal.)

**1-UP**

Playing with painted units is a matter of pride in our group. We'll play no matter what, but the expectation is progress is to be made until the army is fully painted.

Usually both armies have one or maybe two units that are in some stage of partial completion. This is usually due to an expansion or testing something out to see if it's worth putting the time into.

Deciding to play a new army is about a 6 month committment for us. You not only have to buy and build the army, but you also have to have at least the 500 point core painted up (at least basecoats, highlighting and details can come later although usually not). I'll probably get to actually play my first game with my IG army around Christmas.

/shrug, it's part of the hobby to us. There's boardgames, videogames, and RPGs if we want to just have a battle.

**Jimsolo**

I don't care if my opponent's army is painted, fully assembled, or completely WYSIWYG. I'll play against anything. (Except Dark Eldar. And Tyranids.)

I demand all my stuff to be painted. And I will only use something that isn't WYSIWYG if I can't make the points value with the stuff I have. Just a personal pride thing.

**poipo32**

I want all my stuff to be painted, to the point I won't play until I'm done painting a 1500 point army. On the other hand I never played against a fully painted army.

**RiTides**

The results don't really show much but a large spread... I think it would've been easier to see a trend if this was just a poll about "my" army, or my "opponent's" army... not either/or.

For example, someone willing to play with completely unpainted armies might have chosen the first or fourth option. That would make the section about playing with unpainted models about 60% of the vote, with about 25% saying their own army must be painted, and the rest scattered among the other options.

I also think the "primed" options are not helpful... maybe it's different elsewhere, but I've never seen anyone care about something being primed... just whether it's painted or unpainted. I don't personally see something being primed as being any different from it being unpainted.

Just my $0.02...

**The Night Stalker**

I will play with/against unpainted stuff, however I will not tolerate broken or unassambled minis.

**EmperorsChampion**

I try to keep my army at least primed and have my HQ at least painted when I play with an army that I am just building. However, my black templar army is nearly completely painted and its running up in the 9k points. I also would rather play with a primed model than some of my first ever painted BTs that I did like 6 years ago...

Its weird cause when I was younger, I use to never play with a unit that was not fully painted, now its like. "Oh alright, all primed, 3 dudes painted, lets go!" But of course my skill in painting has become far better than that of my 13 year old self...

**chromedog**

I will NEVER field an unpainted unit.
I know that other people do not have the same philosophy.

The game looks better with two painted armies, but if I refused games based on unpainted-ness, then I'd not get many games in my local area.

**Ailaros**

I try to field painted as best I can, but not having something painted (or even necessarily completely assembled/converted) won't necessarily stop me from fielding it.

As for my opponent, well, if I refused to play against anyone whose army wasn't completely painted, I think I may have only ever played like 3 games ever.