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Obviously you have the Pain Boy - 30 points for feel no pain on an entire squad is a no brainer.

I also know the Waaagh Banner is a steal for 15, because it gives everything +1A, and also makes him unique for wound allocation sleaze.

My question is, beyond this, what should I take for wound allocation? How many Nobz should I take (My cap is 500 points - I have a 1500 point Wagon list, and I can fit one more Wagon into it with the Nobz, and whatever else I can fit if it's below 500)? How many Powerklaws is too many?

I want to fit these Nobz in a Wagon, if that helps at all.

My current guess is:

8 Nobz

-1 Painboy
-1 big choppa Waagh banner
-1 big choppa Cybork Body
-1 powerklaw 'eavy armor
-1 powerklaw
-1 big choppa cybork body ammo runt
-1 big choppa 'eavy armor
-1 big choppa bosspole cybork body

ones probbaly got a uge gun because if so you should have an ammo runt

I don't believe doing things in halves - so 10 Nobz however...

I wouldn't be tempted to take that many power klaws as all your Nobz striking last could be a problem (perhaps 2-4).

I think combi-burnas are a good all round choice and I'd be tempted to throw at least 1 of these in.

As for the rest - Big Choppas! They look awesome and their Strength 7 on the charge is a killer to most units!

So Pain Boy, Waaagh! Banner w/power klaw, another 1-2 klaws, a combi burna, 5 Big Choppas and maybe Cybork bodies as well!

I usually say anything more than 3 klaws including the WB is too many points being spent on something likely to end up being over kill.

You stated that the Banner give +1 attack? IIRC it gives +1 WS. And yes, it is a steal when your PKs hit most enemies on 3s.

As for unit size, it depends on how disposable you consider the assault element to be, and if you expect to score with them (assuming warboss with nob unit as troops). I would pay attention to which number you have to take morale tests at when picking. For instance, with 8, if you lose 2 models, you force a morale, but at 9 you need to lose 3. Nobs unless they have the attached Warboss (which they should) are prone to Ld problems when they take loses.

I'll try to work through this step by step. I like to use 4, 7 or 10 Nobz so the PK ratio works out. 33% PK is pretty much perfect for me. For 500pts, let's try 10 Nobz.

1st: Painboy and three of all the other types gives us a good mix.
2nd: All get Cybork Bodies, so far we've got 370pts
3rd: Waaagh Banner and Bosspole are required, Ammo Runt for the Vanilla
4th: Komb-Skorchas for the rest
5: Totals up to 408, so under the cap
6: You could even give them all 'eavy Armor.

Painboy
PK Waaagh Banner
PK Kombi-Skorcha
PK
Big Choppa Bosspole
Big Choppa Kombi-Skorcha
Big Choppa
Vanilla Kombi-Skorcha
Vanilla Ammo Runt
Vanilla

3 PKs is probably enough on the unit, especially if you are adding a warboss with another. Big Choppas all around on the other guys, as points permit.

Waaagh banner a must (note, it's not +1 attack, it's +1 WS, so you hit on 3+ against most units), ditto for Painboy. Otherwise, mix and match cheap upgrades (Runts, Kombi-Weaps, Bosspoles, etc.) to get your unique set-up. If points allow, Cybork bodies allow you to risk going after terminators, monstrous creatures, etc.

FYI, since a lot of you guy's [awesome] tips are hinging on having a Warboss attached, my setup would be something like this:

Wagon #1 - Boyz and Big Mek with KFF
Wagon #2- Boyz and Ghaz
Wagon #3 - Burnas
Wagon #4 - Nobs

My philosophy is you don't put all your eggs in one basket. Equally spreading the threat across all Wagons ensures the enemy basically has no idea what the destroy first.

I guess I could put Ghaz with the nobs, but I'm not comfortable having a non-threat wagon of just boyz.

Magnalon wrote:FYI, since a lot of you guy's [awesome] tips are hinging on having a Warboss attached, my setup would be something like this:

Wagon #1 - Boyz and Big Mek with KFF
Wagon #2- Boyz and Ghaz
Wagon #3 - Burnas
Wagon #4 - Nobs

My philosophy is you don't put all your eggs in one basket. Equally spreading the threat across all Wagons ensures the enemy basically has no idea what the destroy first.

I guess I could put Ghaz with the nobs, but I'm not comfortable having a non-threat wagon of just boyz.

This looks good to me. Just make sure to split off Ghaz to hit another target from the boyz as he's fully capable of handling any non-horde or non-CC oriented unit by himself.

"Just make sure to split off Ghaz to hit another target from the boyz as he's fully capable of handling any non-horde or non-CC oriented unit by himself. "

Last night I actually had him wreck a Monolith with a Nob. Hilariously enough the Monolith has to take 7 weapon destroyed before it becomes wrecked.

It literally took one deff rolla, Ghaz, a PK Nob, and ANOTHER deff rolla to finally blow it up via weapon destroyed. Only like 1 hit was penetrating, and it was immobilized!

Like your eggs and basket way of thinking.

For 10 nobs, my setup would be:

2 PKs
2 combi-burnas
Painboy
Waaggh-Banner
4 Big Choppas.

It has two PKs in for some extra killy power and tank/termie busting. More than 2-3 PKs, imo, gets two expensive and having all your nobz strike last can be a problem. The burnas are in there incase they come across a horde or just need some support. The painboy and waagh banner are in there as no-brainer choices, and the rest have big choppas because +2S for 5pts is pretty damn good.

Everything I would of said is covered. But just wanted to add that personally, taking more then 2 pks in a nobz mob is wasting points. Unless I KNOW Im fighting against something huge and tough (monolith comes to mind) Ill take 3. But usually 2 is plenty enough punch to smoke some vehicles/KO tough guys

Magnalon wrote: Hilariously enough the Monolith has to take 7 weapon destroyed before it becomes wrecked.

Monolith cant be wrecked from weapon destroyed results.

Walrus wrote:

Magnalon wrote: Hilariously enough the Monolith has to take 7 weapon destroyed before it becomes wrecked.

Monolith cant be wrecked from weapon destroyed results.

This is coming from my Necron friend.

Looking at the codex, why wouldn't it? The Gauss Flux have a weapon profile, and can be destroyed. Once you destroy all it's guns, it becomes immobilized as per the vehicle rules - then it's wrecked.

Anyway, back on topic, i can see the point of KingCraker's statement, on the charge nobz have 4 attacks. So with two PKs thats 8 power klaw attacks. That's gonna kill most things. If nobz had less attacks then maybe more PKs in a unit would be viable but if you look at it that way you really don't need more than 2.

Yea, the build at the top is listed with two - I'm happy with it.

Magnalon wrote:

Walrus wrote:

Magnalon wrote: Hilariously enough the Monolith has to take 7 weapon destroyed before it becomes wrecked.

Monolith cant be wrecked from weapon destroyed results.

This is coming from my Necron friend.

Looking at the codex, why wouldn't it? The Gauss Flux have a weapon profile, and can be destroyed. Once you destroy all it's guns, it becomes immobilized as per the vehicle rules - then it's wrecked.

Thing is you can never destroy all its guns...each weapon destroyed result just takes 1 away from the amount of shots you roll to shoot...so after 6 firing it is moot but you never kill the flux arc...besides you also have the particle whip which the codex explicily says cannot be destroyed (its part of the power matirix) I play necrons too and I say your necron friend is wrong...

Other people have already stressed it, but i'll stress to give all your Nobz Cybork bodies, on paper its not the greatest of all saves, but it will definatly help keep them alive if their wagon get buried. 3 PK's is also a solid number imo

NeedsMoreDakka wrote:Other people have already stressed it, but i'll stress to give all your Nobz Cybork bodies, on paper its not the greatest of all saves, but it will definatly help keep them alive if their wagon get buried. 3 PK's is also a solid number imo

Agree. cybork keeps them safer from power weapons and ID weapons. Also, anything more than 3 PK ends up being over kill against most units. If you are facing something where 3 doesn't do the job, maybe you shouldn't assault it, lol.

I am the odd guy out it would seem. I run Nobz at their barest minimum of 3 Nobz and a Klaw; they're there to provide an extra Power Klaw, and extra Battlewagon (with Boarding Plank, of course). Provides the Ork equivalent of a Meltagun team, and DAVU-scoring. The Nobz won't beat dedicated assault units solo, but can work as a credible threat against weaker units or as a supporting threat; MSU multicharging can do a lot to deny the strength of enemy units.