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This list feels thin to me, but I'm still not really used to 8th edition games yet. It also feels like a great deal of copy/paste with four sets of duplicate units.

Supreme Sorceress - Lv.4, Focus Familiar, Pendant of Khaeleth, Dark Pegasus - 370
Sorceress - Lv.2, Tome of Furion, Seal of Ghrond - 180
Death Hag - BSB, Cauldron of Blood - 225

20x Repeater Crossbowmen - Standard, Musician, Shields - 235
20x Repeater Crossbowmen - Standard, Musician, Shields - 235
25x Spearmen - Full Command, Shields - 190
6x Harpies - 66

21x Witch Elves - Banner of Murder - 245
6x Shades - Extra Hand Weapon - 102
6x Shades - Extra Hand Weapon - 102
Cold One Chariot - 100
Cold One Chariot - 100

War Hydra - 175
War Hydra - 175

Total: 2500

Edit: Doh, forgot to list the Sorc's Pegasus.

The trick is, given what you have there I'm not sure what I'd replace any of those duplicates with.

Two units of 20 RXBs give you a good, flexible firing line that can become backup melee blocks at need.

Two units of shades allows you to take out warmachines that much quicker.

Two COC give much of the striking power of 2 units of 5 COK for less... and a smaller frontage to boot.

Two Hydras... what's not to love there? (Unless you are faced with the prospect of fighting them, that is!)


The harpies and shades give you a good maneuver advantage. The witches will rock against most other core. The spearman block is kinda small, but should do the job with the help of the COC and backup from the RXBs. My one concern is how you are going to handle high-Toughness, well-armored targets; normally I'd throw COK or Executioners against them and you don't have either. Of course, magic (which lores are you going to use? That has to be noted pre-game now, remember?), COC, and the Hydras might do the trick...

Eh. It looks solid to me. You'll have to playtest it for the best assessment.

Kirbinator wrote:This list feels thin to me, but I'm still not really used to 8th edition games yet. It also feels like a great deal of copy/paste with four sets of duplicate units.

Supreme Sorceress - Lv.4, Focus Familiar, Pendant of Khaeleth - 370
Sorceress - Lv.2, Tome of Furion, Seal of Ghrond - 180
Death Hag - BSB, Cauldron of Blood - 225

20x Repeater Crossbowmen - Standard, Musician, Shields - 235
20x Repeater Crossbowmen - Standard, Musician, Shields - 235
25x Spearmen - Full Command, Shields - 190
6x Harpies - 66

21x Witch Elves - Banner of Murder - 245
6x Shades - Extra Hand Weapon - 102
6x Shades - Extra Hand Weapon - 102
Cold One Chariot - 100
Cold One Chariot - 100

War Hydra - 175
War Hydra - 175

Total: 2500

Sup sorceress + familiar + pendant + lvl 4 = 320

So you have an extra 50 points to spend.

As far as the list goes, the harpies + 2 units of shades is a little overkill on warmachine hunting. You're going to find out quick that they will be pretty ineffective in most games.

If you want to reduce redundancy, only suggestions I'd make would be to drop one unit of shades, drop a cold one chariot (their stupidity is a liability even on LD9 reroll)

Now you have 252 points to play around with. Maybe take a support unit of corsairs? They'll fill a similar role as the witches, and give your opponent a second target to consider in addition to them.

Coincidentally, corsairs x21 + standard + musician + Sea Serpent Standard = 250

If anything I would complain that your Witch elves are far to thin. Magic attacks and any gunline should obliterate them before they even get close to combat.

Thats the only problem I see with the list though.


Oh and I think his lv4 SS is on a dark pegasus.

I agree with Vulcan I wouldn't replace anything.

However if you do have 50 pts to spend (no dex on hand), I would put the lvl 4 on a Dark Pegasus, to give her more mobility.

The 3 units of warmachine hunters is a good number, that way if you don't go first you still have hopefully 1 unit alive.

With 2 Hydras and 2 CoC you should be fine, the majority of them should make it to opponents lines intact especially if the shades/harpies do their job.

Wait, so you're telling me I seem to have a balanced, reliable list that would reasonably lay on the pain and suffering of my foes? Well crap.

As far as magic, definitely going with Shadow on the Lv.4 and I was thinking either Metal or Dark for the Lv.2. The +1 to hit for Crossbowmen looks fantastic as does, but of course there's no guarantee I'd get it every time.

Kirbinator wrote:Wait, so you're telling me I seem to have a balanced, reliable list that would reasonably lay on the pain and suffering of my foes? Well crap.

As far as magic, definitely going with Shadow on the Lv.4 and I was thinking either Metal or Dark for the Lv.2. The +1 to hit for Crossbowmen looks fantastic as does, but of course there's no guarantee I'd get it every time.

Yep, people refrain on repeating units, and I don't know why tbh, at least for dark elves it helps create a pretty good list.

Mostly because repeating units can sometimes create a pretty bland army to play as and against.

I would go metal on the lvl 2, its not just the +1 to shooting, but the armor mods as well. Taking down WoC or other heavily armored units is the bane of DE.

Casper wrote:I would go metal on the lvl 2, its not just the +1 to shooting, but the armor mods as well. Taking down WoC or other heavily armored units is the bane of DE.

Yeah, that's probably the route I'm going. I'll be doing a fair bit of movement tray proxying before I get this thing settled into a proper list snce I only own about half the infantry and a Hydra.

I tried out the lore of metal on my lvl 2, I had some good spells to pick from, but she was stuck in combat on turn 1 (my fault, really) and couldn't get a chance to use her correctly. I have a feeling it'll be our best secondary caster, because of high armor. If your opponent is rocking low armor, oh well, the rest of the army can handle em, not bad for 185 points.

Have to ask there ma man. How did you get her into combat? lol.

But yeah Although I like dark for chillwind and black horror Metal is just to useful to ignore.

I love to use rust on a unit I am just about to lay a large volley into, really hurts if it removes there saves completely too. Although it is best used for daemons or knights.

syanticraven wrote:Have to ask there ma man. How did you get her into combat? lol.

I put her in my unit of corsairs who were on my left flank staring down his silver helms (idea was to nuke them with lore of metal turn 1). He then deploys his dragon lord on the same side next to them. Scared of both, I charged the silver helms with my chariot (he had first turn so krept close enough for me to do so). He picked flee as a charge reaction. Turns out my chariot had just enough steam to redirect into his lord, and did. Only to be wiped out in combat. On his turn, he charges the corsair block with the caster inside. (so I guess it was top of turn 2, not turn 1. Still not a great situation.).

Now I'm second-guessing myself on Spearmen vs. Corsairs. I have the models for both, so either way someone's sitting on the sidelines. All other parts of the list remaining the same, I figure I can get away with this:

Supreme Sorceress - Lv.4, Focus Familiar, Pendant of Khaeleth, Dark Pegasus - 370
Sorceress - Lv.2, Tome of Furion, Seal of Ghrond - 180
25x Spearmen - Full Command, Shields - 190

Or:

Supreme Sorceress - Lv.4, Pendant of Khaeleth, Dark Pegasus - 345
Sorceress - Lv.2, Tome of Furion - 150
21x Corsairs - Hand Weapons, Sea Serpent Standard - 245

The Corsairs would act as a decent compliment to the Witch unit, but I don't have anything that could be considered a tarpit. I'd also lose out on the 6" range boost and +1 Dispel Die. Hrm...

I'm tempted to say corsairs, as I am quite fond of their offensive output, though I've never used spearmen.

Every list needs *some* kind of tar pit. The spearmen give you that in some form, though their survivability isn't much greater than the corsairs...the corsairs actually have better odds against range.

If you're going shadow on the lvl 4, I've had zero issues with range. Casting the higher level spells generally isn't too difficult, and that gives the entire lore 24"+ for distance (36"+ if you discount pit of shades). So the focus familiar could be sidelined. The seal of ghrond will hurt though...it's pretty nice and that's the exact same setup I use for my lvl 2. Maybe drop the harpies to get the seal back and add 3 more corsairs, making them a pretty solid 6x4 unit?

That's fairly tempting, dropping the harpies and Familiar to bump the Corsairs to 6x4. It certainly leads to more attacks (24 vs 10-15), but it does remove the backup War Machine hunter and screening unit.

Well 2 units of shades are usually good for the job or at least soaking up a round of shots if nothing else.

Hey Kirb. Unfortunately, I have no insights for 8th edition, since I haven't played a game yet . However, for some reason, I feel that corsairs would fit your Slaanesh theme better if you were still going that route. Otherwise, I think I would prefer losing the harpies over the magic items though since you will have plenty of repeater xbowmen anyway.

Still looking forward to seeing the final product.