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Well there called the imperial swords and i want them to have something from every chapter of space marines like...

Like the dark angles dark brotherhood...

Or the crimson fists near destruction at the hands of the orks...

Or the salamanders obsession with fire...

Or the aurora chapters large collection of vehicals
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If you have a DIY chapter can you post your ideas from your chapter

You could use the Deathwing section of Dark Angels that use mainly Land Raiders (Aurora) and terminators. You could have the Land Raiders in the Redeemer pattern (Salamander's fire). I don't know about the Crimson Fist though.

thanks for the idea!
but those where just some suggestions use any chapter that you what

If you want to make it easy say they were an un named fraction of the Imperial fists that were suppose to become templars and refused so as thier punishment they were sent off to fight nids on the outer reaches of the galixy were danger was high and help was scarce. Somthing like that.

Eldrad wrote:If you want to make it easy say they were an un named fraction of the Ultra Mariens that were suppose to become templars and refused so as thier punishment they were sent off to fight nids on the outer reaches of the galixy were danger was high and help was scarce. Somthing like that.


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And as you probably already know Ultra Marines specialized in nid killing.

That is actually a painful post to read.

Sorry if i got some things wrong ima go re check what i said before i sound worse.


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i realized what i got wrong it wasn't the Ultra Marins it was the Imperial fists

Eldrad wrote:Sorry if i got some things wrong ima go re check what i said before i sound worse.

Are you being ironic?

Eldrad wrote:If you want to make it easy say they were an un named fraction of the Imperial fists that were suppose to become templars and refused so as thier punishment they were sent off to fight nids on the outer reaches of the galixy were danger was high and help was scarce. Somthing like that.

Good grief, gonna go with purple on this one.

Factual inaccuracies within this quote:

The Black Templars are birthed from the Imperial Fists during the second founding, not the Ultramarines, which you have corrected.

No faction of the Imperial Fists legion would have gone against a direct order from their primarch, especially one that allowed them to continue Dorn's crusade, even if it meant a change in heraldry. All the successor chapters consider themselves every inch as much the sons of their primarch as the chapter that bears the primarchs legions name, and rightfully so. Consider how much the Astartes venerate their primarch, then actually say they could say 'No, I don't want to change my name/colors, and do your will', especially Dorn's legion, who were given gifts by their primarch to let them know he valued them every ounce as much as the chapter that kept the legions name (See the Soulspear). And if you can then say that, say why they simply wouldn't have been killed after a time where half the marine legions just went against the Emperor and turned to Chaos.

The Tyranids are a recent threat to the galaxy, and were not discovered during the time of the Great Crusade/Horus Heresy (M31). The first Hive Fleet we know of was Behemoth, which wasn't discovered until 745 M41...difference of 10,000 years, which of course was beaten back in the Battle of Macragge.

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MrDakka, this is the third topic you've created with the same intention. What is the gain behind it?

VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote:

Eldrad wrote:If you want to make it easy say they were an un named fraction of the Imperial fists that were suppose to become templars and refused so as thier punishment they were sent off to fight nids on the outer reaches of the galixy were danger was high and help was scarce. Somthing like that.

Good grief, gonna go with purple on this one.

Factual inaccuracies within this quote:

The Black Templars are birthed from the Imperial Fists during the second founding, not the Ultramarines, which you have corrected.

No faction of the Imperial Fists legion would have gone against a direct order from their primarch, especially one that allowed them to continue Dorn's crusade, even if it meant a change in heraldry. All the successor chapters consider themselves every inch as much the sons of their primarch as the chapter that bears the primarchs legions name, and rightfully so. Consider how much the Astartes venerate their primarch, then actually say they could say 'No, I don't want to change my name/colors, and do your will', especially Dorn's legion, who were given gifts by their primarch to let them know he valued them every ounce as much as the chapter that kept the legions name (See the Soulspear). And if you can then say that, say why they simply wouldn't have been killed after a time where half the marine legions just went against the Emperor and turned to Chaos.

The Tyranids are a recent threat to the galaxy, and were not discovered during the time of the Great Crusade/Horus Heresy (M31). The first Hive Fleet we know of was Behemoth, which wasn't discovered until 745 M41...difference of 10,000 years, which of course was beaten back in the Battle of Macragge.

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MrDakka, this is the third topic you've created with the same intention. What is the gain behind it?

+1

Id also award you some street cred but I dont have the proper authority



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MrDAKKA wrote:Well there called the imperial swords and i want them to have something from every chapter of space marines like...

Like the dark angles dark brotherhood...

Or the crimson fists near destruction at the hands of the orks...

Or the salamanders obsession with fire...

Or the aurora chapters large collection of vehicals
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If you have a DIY chapter can you post your ideas from your chapter

I think you may be biting of a little more then you can chew cause if there so mixed up then they lack any defining characteristics, If I did a D.I.Y chapter myself id toy around with the notion that all squads besides devestator and potentially assault are allowed to pick there own wargear and heraldry, and then time and funds permiting use stuff like the space marine commander kit ( http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440271a&prodId=prod1050240 ) and kit bash it with dark angel veterans / blood angels death company /sanguinary guard and potentially even some tau / chaos weapons (saw a sweet conversion of a terminator using a tau stealth cannon) to create a really unique looking force. They all stick to some rough color scheme I.e like how the ultramarines have blue armor and gold shoulderpad linings but you could mix it up like one space marine could have a golden chestplate and blue everything else if you catch my drift. You could toy around with the notion of them being a chapter packed to the brim with veteran warriors all clad in heavily artificed gear / gear taken from slain foes and that because of there experience there kinda aloof and stubborn and favour gear they like the feel off and opposed to gear that would be the best tactical choice.

Personally Ive on and off been trying to create a backstory for a D.I.Y chapter which came about after combining space marines with different geneseed/s into one army or even a hybrid geneseed of two primarchs (not sure if this is possible fluff wise red something about an iron warrior chaos lord who had some sort of iron warrior / imperial fist hybrid geneseed).
Basically this ramshackle collection of outcasts function somewhat outside regular imperial battle doctrine like the daemon hunters, and are the ultimate guirella warfare force, making planetfall to aid other imperial forces crushing the enemy and leaving immediately after the battle is over, and through the years of co-operating with other chapters and the chapters the individual marines belong to / have there geneseed come from receive gifts and heraldry from those chapters. So for instance you could like have a tactical squad that is dressed in dark angels robes but a unit or two might have a blood angels death mask or an axe of ultramar.. My explanation isnt very detailed or well formulated likely due to sleep deprivation but hopefully you got the jist of what i what i was trying to say

DIY chapters are great to think up, but difficult to make them unique.

EG:

A terrible schism occurs between the leaders of the chapter.
(Dark Angels)

The Chapter is nearly wiped out to a man and must now work to rebuild itself
(Salamanders, Crimson Fists)

The Chapter is flawed by a terrible gene curse
(Blood Angels, Black Dragons,

The chapter is fighting beyond the remits of the Imperium
(Soul Drinkers)

The Chapter is an offshoot of the Grey Knights
(Exorcists)


Now, having a background that incorporates some of these tried and tested ideas is fine (My Emperor's Knights idea had just about ALL of these) but what really helps your chapter stand out is to give them something in the fluff that really makes them stand out beyond the "Infiltrate specialists (Raven Guard)" , "Codex Junkies (Ultramarines), "Stoic and stubborn (Salamanders, Imperial Fists), "Blood crazed and hyper" (Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars), "Secretive and introspective" (Dark Angels).

Don't just say "They have this really great ability which is...."
Say WHY. Give a bit of background to it.

Explain what the chapter's geneseed is (Ultramarine or other) and say where the chapter really deviates from its parent chapter.

But ABOVE ALL:

H A V E F U N M A K I N G I T U P

You could use other peoples chapters. There are tons of them.

Corennus wrote:DIY chapters are great to think up, but difficult to make them unique.

EG:

A terrible schism occurs between the leaders of the chapter.
(Dark Angels)

The Chapter is nearly wiped out to a man and must now work to rebuild itself
(Salamanders, Crimson Fists)

The Chapter is flawed by a terrible gene curse
(Blood Angels, Black Dragons, SPACE WOVES
)
The chapter is fighting beyond the remits of the Imperium
(Soul Drinkers)

The Chapter is an offshoot of the Grey Knights
(Exorcists)


Now, having a background that incorporates some of these tried and tested ideas is fine (My Emperor's Knights idea had just about ALL of these) but what really helps your chapter stand out is to give them something in the fluff that really makes them stand out beyond the "Infiltrate specialists (Raven Guard)" , "Codex Junkies (Ultramarines), "Stoic and stubborn (Salamanders, Imperial Fists), "Blood crazed and hyper" (Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars), "Secretive and introspective" (Dark Angels).

Don't just say "They have this really great ability which is...."
Say WHY. Give a bit of background to it.

Explain what the chapter's geneseed is (Ultramarine or other) and say where the chapter really deviates from its parent chapter.

But ABOVE ALL:

H A V E F U N M A K I N G I T U P

There you go, made a new addition... ing werewolves

For my chapter I made them split from a second founding chapter.

During the second founding the legions were broken down and reformed as chapters. One of the Ultramarine chapters became the Mortifactors.
Because of how the Mortifactors started to turn away from the teachings of the Primarch, a traditionalist faction arose to defend those teachings and try and steer the chapter back to the teachings in the codex.
This was unsuccessful and a major schism occurred that almost led to a civil war within the chapter. In the end the traditionalist faction was "exiled," though with the support of the administratum were recognized as a new chapter.

Use your imagination and see what you can come up with.