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So the President of Tunisia whom I can hardly pronounce his name has stepped down from power in a country known for tourism and terrorists and now for unrest. He has also left the country and no one knows where.

Plus this guy was an American ally against terrorism.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/14/AR2011011406895.html

After four weeks of steadily escalating riots across Tunisia, President Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali lost his grip on power Friday. The country's prime minister announced that he was taking over to organize early elections and usher in a new government.
U.S. officials confirmed that Ben Ali, 74, had fled the North African country, but his whereabouts were not publicly known. Wherever he was hiding, the day's events suggested that his 23 years as Tunisia's ruler were over, submerged by a wave of unrest set off by economic deprivation, official corruption and political frustration in the mostly Sunni Muslim country.

The spectacle of the iron-fisted leader being swept from office was certain to resonate elsewhere in the Arab world. Smaller protests have erupted in Egypt, Jordan and Algeria in recent weeks as the region's many autocratic governments, often in power without the underpinning of democratic elections, have come under increasing pressure from similarly frustrated youths.

During a trip to the region this week, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton repeatedly warned governments there that they must expand political and social freedoms or face unrest or worse. Clinton reacted Friday to Ben Ali's departure with a statement condemning government violence against protesters and calling for free elections.

"We look to the Tunisian government to build a stronger foundation for Tunisia's future with economic, social and political reforms," she said.

The United States has long considered Tunisia an important ally, in part because of Ben Ali's close cooperation with U.S. security officials in fighting al-Qaeda and other Islamist extremist groups. U.S. officials and regional experts say the United States has not been a target of the protests, which have focused mainly on economic issues and political freedoms.

A senior administration official who has closely followed events in Tunisia said the State Department has been quietly pressuring Ben Ali's government to undertake reforms.

The prime minister, Mohammed Ghannoushi, 69, in a solemn appearance on national television, vowed to abide by the constitution in laying the groundwork for a vote to choose a new government as soon as possible, in consultation with all political factions and social groups. He was not flanked by military officers and gave no explanation of Ben Ali's removal.

"Since the president is temporarily without the capacity to carry out his duties, it has been decided that the prime minister would exercise his functions," Ghannoushi said from the presidential palace in Carthage, near the capital, Tunis. "I call on Tunisians of all political and regional tendencies to show patriotism and unity."

President Obama condemned the use of violence against the protesters and urged the government to hold elections that "reflect the true will and aspirations" of Tunisians.

"The United States stands with the entire international community in bearing witness to this brave and determined struggle for the universal rights that we must all uphold," Obama said in a statement released by the White House.

Despite the pledge of a new political opening, Ben Ali's fall from power opened a possibly dangerous horizon for Tunisia, a sunny nation of 10.5 million people known mainly as a cheerful tourist destination for European vacationers and a haven of tolerance in a region often unsettled by Islamist extremism.

With no obvious successor to Ben Ali in the wings, it was unclear whether Ghannoushi, as a heretofore faithful follower of the president, could muster authority to control the mobs who have been setting the agenda in Tunis over the past several weeks. Streets were reported quiet Friday evening under heavy security.

Ben Ali, who received a military education in France, had been a pillar of the government and the main security enforcer under Tunisia's independence leader and longtime president, Habib Bourguiba. In November 1987, with Bourguiba showing increasing signs of senility after 30 years as president, Ben Ali pushed aside his mentor in a bloodless coup and began his own reign of more than two decades.

As a result, Tunisia has had only two real leaders since its independence from France in 1956. Its political tradition has seen none of the give-and-take between ruling and opposition parties that is normally associated with democracy and that prepares the way for new leadership. This was particularly true in the recent years of Ben Ali's rule, when government critics were silenced by imprisonment and newspapers and broadcast stations were subject to strict censorship.

Responding to criticism over his authoritarian ways, Ben Ali's apologists pointed to the need to preserve Tunisia from the Islamist extremism that troubled other nations in the Arab world. Just to the west, for instance, Algeria was forced to fight a bloody civil conflict in the 1990s against Islamist rebels and still suffers regular attacks from underground insurgents belonging to al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.

Against that background, Western governments, including those of France and the United States, were reluctant to issue public criticism of Ben Ali's authoritarian methods.

Only Thursday, after a month of confrontations in which nongovernmental organizations estimated that more than 50 demonstrators were killed, did France accuse Ben Ali of using disproportionate violence against the protesters.

In addition, Ben Ali's government produced economic growth that has averaged 5 percent a year for the past decade, much of it due to the tourist groups that fly in to enjoy the Mediterranean beaches and Tunisians' instinctive hospitality. Education was a high priority in those prosperous years, absorbing 7 percent or 8 percent of the budget and sending 80,000 university graduates on to the job market every year.

With the global economic crisis cutting into tourist revenue, however, many of the young graduates found they could not get a job, particularly in inland towns far from the beaches. Moreover, resentment built steadily in recent years over swelling corruption, from the top levels of Ben Ali's government to local town halls. U.S. diplomatic cables revealed by WikiLeaks reported on the dissatisfaction that had spread across the country as the corruption became more visible.

Leila Trabelsi, Ben Ali's wife, and her family were reputed to have used the influence associated with the presidency to build private fortunes in real estate and other business deals. As protest violence - fueled by social media such as Facebook and Twitter - spread across the country beginning last month, rioters frequently directed their wrath at property associated with the Trabelsi family.

The simmering discontent erupted into the open Dec. 17 in the inland city of Sidi Bouzid after an unlicensed fruit vendor identified as Mohammed Bouazzi set himself afire. Bouazzi acted after a policeman confiscated the wares off his cart and, according to news reports, after he was slapped by a female city hall employee to whom he had turned to complain.

From there violence quickly spread to other cities. Police used tear gas, rubber bullets and live ammunition to put down the protests, with a steadily rising casualty count increasing the anger among unemployed youths and long-suppressed political opponents.

By Tuesday, the rioting had spread to Tunis, and protesters were demanding that Ben Ali step down. In actions that would have been unheard of only a few weeks ago, the president's photo was ripped from walls and police stations were ransacked.

In what was seen as a last gesture to save his rule, Ben Ali earlier Friday had declared a state of emergency, fired his entire government and promised to hold early legislative elections within six months. That promise followed by only hours a pledge to leave office by 2014 and to order police to stop firing on protesters, release those arrested in the riots and lift the country's suffocating censorship.


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Amiens -France-

President Ben Ali fled to Saudi Arabia whith his family and relatives.






 
   
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And the irritating bint at my work booked a holiday there this week.

HA!

Shame about Tunisia though.
   
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AHA! The identity of Mr Mystery revealed once and for all!

Spoiler:
ex-President Zine-el Abidine Ben Ali!

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Serves her right for going to Tunisia.

Seriously, who goes on holiday to fething Africa?!

Civilians are crazy with regards to their holiday destinations. Its like they are competeing to tick off as many destinations from a list in some sort of travelling contest. I only went to Africa when the Royal Marines forced me!

If its African or Arab ive got no interest. I would rather look at the pyramids in Las Vegas than bloody Egypt!

A certain tourist massacre there got Matty to join the Royal Marines in the first place. If you go to a gakhole on vacation you take the chance.

Doesnt stop them bloody endlessly whinging if anything happens though.

"OMG! A dirty arab wouldnt let me off the back of his camel unless i gave him 100 dollars but he said it was free before I got on!"

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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.  
   
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Amiens -France-

More seriously, Ben Ali was ruling Tunisia as a dictature, but now that he's gone, I fear that Muslim fundamentalists are going to progressively take over the whole country, as they still try to do in Algeria.

Mediterranea is merely a pond separing Maghreb from Europe and most of immigration in many european states are coming from these countries. It might have more consequences on European contries policies than it seems, sadly.

 
   
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mattyrm wrote:Serves her right for going to Tunisia.

Seriously, who goes on holiday to fething Africa?!

Civilians are crazy with regards to their holiday destinations. Its like they are competeing to tick off as many destinations from a list in some sort of travelling contest. I only went to Africa when the Royal Marines forced me!

If its African or Arab ive got no interest. I would rather look at the pyramids in Las Vegas than bloody Egypt!

A certain tourist massacre there got Matty to join the Royal Marines in the first place. If you go to a gakhole on vacation you take the chance.

Doesnt stop them bloody endlessly whinging if anything happens though.

"OMG! A dirty arab wouldnt let me off the back of his camel unless i gave him 100 dollars but he said it was free before I got on!"



African? Arab....that's for ponces. Me, I'm (genuinely) planning a trip to Cambodia.
   
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Mr Mystery wrote:

African? Arab....that's for ponces. Me, I'm (genuinely) planning a trip to Cambodia.


Try North Korea or Iran. I hear they love Western Democracies.

   
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I wonder if the 'free and democratic elections' everyone's so keen to see result in a hardline, anti- western islamist government? That would be interesting. Personally, I don't care how brutal a dictatorship any country in the region has, as long as they can keep a lid on the export of terrorism from their country they're alright by me.

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 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


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Well, the US didn't like it when Palestine voted for Hamas in a fair and open democracy, so that might have something to do with it. Seriously, you can't extol the various virtues of democracy, then get pissy when the country votes for someone you don't approve of.
   
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The USA does that all the time, always has.

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Kilkrazy wrote:The USA does that all the time, always has.

(See South America for more details.)

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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Eternal Plague

Albatross wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:The USA does that all the time, always has.

(See South America for more details.)


(And Britain for further details).

   
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WarOne wrote:
Albatross wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:The USA does that all the time, always has.

(See South America for more details.)


(And Britain for further details). Albatross got it right the first time.



Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.

"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
 
   
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WarOne wrote:
Albatross wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:The USA does that all the time, always has.

(See South America for more details.)


(And Britain for further details).

Actually, no. The British Empire never pretended to be 'spreading democracy'.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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Albatross wrote:
WarOne wrote:
Albatross wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:The USA does that all the time, always has.

(See South America for more details.)


(And Britain for further details).

Actually, no. The British Empire never pretended to be 'spreading democracy'.


Only beautiful smiles and kick-ass accents...

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CT GAMER wrote:
Albatross wrote:
WarOne wrote:
Albatross wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:The USA does that all the time, always has.

(See South America for more details.)


(And Britain for further details).

Actually, no. The British Empire never pretended to be 'spreading democracy'.


Only beautiful smiles and kick-ass accents...

....eeeeeeeeexactly.


 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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Gentlemen, clearly you are forgetting that the most important thing. The British Empire made the colour Pink awesome.

Time to buy cheap Tunisian property, things can only get better.

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Medium of Death wrote:Gentlemen, clearly you are forgetting that the most important thing. The British Empire made the colour Pink awesome.

Time to buy cheap Tunisian property, things can only get better.


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