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I'm hoping the move the Storm Raven to Fast Attack and give it outflank for the Grey Knights Codex or when they give the Storm Raven to everyone in White Dwarf. They can't really change the points at this point with it already in the Blood Angels codex so making it fast attack and giving it outflank would make it actually good well except that the model still sucks but thats what conversions are for.

Being AV12 the storm raven can't start on the board if your going second so if it had outflank it would not suck going second because you could reserve and outflank and could get side shots with your blood strikes and get your scoring unit and dread into the opponents deployment near the objective.

i want my marines to be able to ride unicorns and have akimbo rail-guns

storm raven is fine

Don't worry, The GK stormraven is a FA option.

No matter what you have heard, the WD article is NOT giving the Stormraven to everyone. people who have read the article have confirmed that it isn't opened to everyone. it just is giving a rundown of the vehicle for GKs and BAs.

the rumored Flyer release might give all marines the Raven, but don't get your hopes up.

Does the Grey Knight Storm Raven get outflank? Thats what would make it not suck.

I doubt it, but it doesn't need it. it can Deep Strike or be held in reserve and move on to get a 4+ cover.

I'm confused still why you think it sucks.

AV 12 dies quickly so if you're not trying to at least use LoS blockage or reserve than you're going to die...

Try using 3 of them at once if you can, that way at least a couple make it to the enemy. Outflank seems a bit too strong afterall, since you CAN assault after Outflanking.

Kirika wrote:I'm hoping the move the Storm Raven to Fast Attack and give it outflank for the Grey Knights Codex or when they give the Storm Raven to everyone in White Dwarf. They can't really change the points at this point with it already in the Blood Angels codex so making it fast attack and giving it outflank would make it actually good well except that the model still sucks but thats what conversions are for.

Being AV12 the storm raven can't start on the board if your going second so if it had outflank it would not suck going second because you could reserve and outflank and could get side shots with your blood strikes and get your scoring unit and dread into the opponents deployment near the objective.

AV 12 can't survive on the board? Someone quick, warn the mech guard players!

daedalus wrote:

Kirika wrote:I'm hoping the move the Storm Raven to Fast Attack and give it outflank for the Grey Knights Codex or when they give the Storm Raven to everyone in White Dwarf. They can't really change the points at this point with it already in the Blood Angels codex so making it fast attack and giving it outflank would make it actually good well except that the model still sucks but thats what conversions are for.

Being AV12 the storm raven can't start on the board if your going second so if it had outflank it would not suck going second because you could reserve and outflank and could get side shots with your blood strikes and get your scoring unit and dread into the opponents deployment near the objective.

AV 12 can't survive on the board? Someone quick, warn the mech guard players!

It doesn't survive when the max is 3 and it costs over 200pts. It does survive when you have to deal with 10 or 12 vehicles...

I'm not too fussed about outflank, fire all missiles + weapons first turn, then move flat out and drop troops.

ummm... I think the OP is a little late on proposed rules for a model that has had rules for over 6 months...

everyone, stop whining about the Storm Raven! good God, I saw it at 'Ard Boyz last year and it was very cool! of course his model was hand built, I'm talking about what it did for him.

funny thing is, in 6 months, the OP will be posting his new Blood Angels or Grey Knights army and a Storm Raven will be in there, mark my words.

lol. The storm raven is the most overpowered vehicle in the game, next to possibly the monolith.

Yes, a vehicle which ignores terrain, has SMF, an assault ramp, can volley-fire HK missiles and take twin-linked meltaguns, has rear AV12 so it's proofed against assault, doesn't care about melta attacks, and can launch a 10-man squad AND A DREADNOUGHT straight into close combat from feet away needs some help so that it doesn't suck...

Yeah, and then your "overpowered" Storm Raven gets shot down by an Auto-Cannon. Cheers.

Its for sure not overpowered. But its far from "sucking". It can be a very powerful vehicle with everything it can do. But i believe to do so, you need atleast 2 to 3 in the list (depending on point value).

the Stormraven is fairly priced for what it does.

yes it can deliver massive hurt and, along with the passangers, destroy a massive amount of the enemy.


the BA/GK player is paying almost as much as a LR for some additional weapons and a drop in AV by 2 on all sides.

ooooo, it's immune to Melta. It's AV12, you don't need Melta to kill it.

grayspark wrote:Yeah, and then your "overpowered" Storm Raven gets shot down by an Auto-Cannon. Cheers.

Firstly, that's highly unlikely.

Secondly, yes, it's not literally invincible. Shall I call the waaaahmbulance for you?

*sigh*

You see? This is what happens when you can't keep Codex Creep under control! People see vehicles that are totally broken and think "Man, this isn't as awesomely OP as other things in my codex. It must, therefor, suck."

There's plenty of armies out there that don't have a single vehicle with more than AV12. AV12 isn't begging for destruction, it's fine.

Ailaros wrote:

grayspark wrote:Yeah, and then your "overpowered" Storm Raven gets shot down by an Auto-Cannon. Cheers.

Firstly, that's highly unlikely.

Secondly, yes, it's not literally invincible. Shall I call the waaaahmbulance for you?

Ailaros wrote:

grayspark wrote:Yeah, and then your "overpowered" Storm Raven gets shot down by an Auto-Cannon. Cheers.

Firstly, that's highly unlikely.

Secondly, yes, it's not literally invincible. Shall I call the waaaahmbulance for you?

Ahaha, Highly Unlikely? it happens all the time for me and my friends. maybe you need to get your dice checked. Mathhammer it all you want, but it's the roller who controls what happens.

And I commonly see a land raider rendered useless by lascannons first turn. It's not that it sucks/is underpowered, it's that it's fething SCARY. It's like bringing a single Vendetta, and being surprised when it gets the hell targetted out of it first turn.


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Food for thought, S7 has same chances of bringing down AV12 as S9 does AV14.

Except that S7 usually shoots twice per turn. Or more (see Rifleman dreads).

I think the amount of whining and complaining in BOTH directions (folks who think it's under or over powered) is actually a good indication that it's reasonably-priced. We'll have a better idea, however, once the necessity of scratchbuilding is no longer a barrier to widespread use. Heck, the first year I used Defilers (it was ~8-10month delay between 3.5 codex release and the model coming out) lots of people thought they were overpowered too.

Mannahnin wrote:Except that S7 usually shoots twice per turn. Or more (see Rifleman dreads).

True, but I bring twice as many lascannons as autocannons.

I think the amount of whining and complaining in BOTH directions (folks who think it's under or over powered) is actually a good indication that it's reasonably-priced. We'll have a better idea, however, once the necessity of scratchbuilding is no longer a barrier to widespread use. Heck, the first year I used Defilers (it was ~8-10month delay between 3.5 codex release and the model coming out) lots of people thought they were overpowered too.

I could agree to this, hands-down. Everything is overpowered the first time you see it, and underpowered if you're running it. Eventually you learn to either deal with it better or use it more efficiently, and then it's just another tool.

They fly in single file, to hide their numbers.

Apart from that, they arent too shabby!

Eldar laugh at your puny AV12 vehicle...err, scratch that.

The raven is just fine

I might add that it can transport 12 models, not 10 as previously mentioned. Along with the unique ability to transport 6 Jump pack equipped models.

so something that can boost 24 inches AND shoot a TL multi-melta all while transporting 5 Assault termies, a chaplin and librarian (both in power armour) AND a furioso dreadnaught?

yea that totally sucks..... I'll take two please