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So who do you guys think the Primarch is of the blood Ravens, personally I am inclined to think either one of the unknown primarchs(2nd and 11th)or from Thousand Son Geneseed due to the high number of Psykers in their ranks.


EDIT:Im a moron

It's heavily implied that their geneseed is, in fact, from the Thousand Sons, so their Primarch would be Magnus the Red.

So who do you guys think the Primarch is of the blood angels

Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure its Sanguinius


Dawn of war II: its revealed that they somehow have connections with the Black Legion, which means they were possibly formed from a loyalist splinter of the Luna wolves

who knows? that's just speculation but if so it means that they're descended from Horus.

0_o

It's also hinted at in DoW: Dark Crusade. Eliphas was able to gain Abaddon's favour by annhilating the Blood Ravens.

Problem is,abaddon is tyrant, so they couldve been any faction of chaos(or hell just thwarted some plan of abaddons...)



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another possibility is they somehow have some good stock of Blood Angels geneseed(saying this due to symbology of the blood ravens)

From Graham McNeill's A Thousand Sons

Well you cant get much more clear cut than that....

of course knowing GW they'll probably change the story a dozen more times

just starting the HH series, havent gotten their quite yet lol

Heavily implied to be Magnus, or at the very least, a traitor primarch.

They'll probably get retconned and end up being descended from ultramarines LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

This would help explain why Abbadon is keen to turn the Blood Ravens. Over and above fodder for the Black Crusades, the opportunity to possibly truly rebuild the Thousand Sons would give him leverage to bring Magnus to his side.

Wardragoon wrote:Problem is,abaddon is tyrant, so they couldve been any faction of chaos(or hell just thwarted some plan of abaddons...)

DoW's hint is that the annhilation of the Blood Ravens was especially pleasing to Abaddon, despite there being no reason why he should favour their destruction over that of any other loyalist chapter.

There's more hint towards Thousand Sons, mainly in the BR's organization. Ordo Psykana and their hoarding of knowledge are hallmarks of Pre-heresy Thousand Sons.

It is strongly hinted that Sanguinius and Corax had an illecit affair for several years resulting in Corax's pregnancy. When they could no longer conceal the truth from the Emperor he forced Corax to give up the child for adoption.

That child became the first Blood Raven but never knew who his parents were.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:It is strongly hinted that Sanguinius and Corax had an illecit affair for several years resulting in Corax's pregnancy. When they could no longer conceal the truth from the Emperor he forced Corax to give up the child for adoption.

That child became the first Blood Raven but never knew who his parents were.

This sir, is genious!

They aren't a legion & never were so it wouldn't be one of the unknowns. The unknowns & the data on their geneseed has been expunged so how would you go about making more?

Also I believe it was stated some time ago the unknowns were left unknown & always will be left unknown to provide a plot hook for DIY chapters / traitor legions.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:They aren't a legion & never were so it wouldn't be one of the unknowns. The unknowns & the data on their geneseed has been expunged so how would you go about making more?

Also I believe it was stated some time ago the unknowns were left unknown & always will be left unknown to provide a plot hook for DIY chapters / traitor legions.

I agree with what you said about the 2 lost legions. It's difficult to use their geneseed when they've been expunged. But GW attempt at making the 2 lost chapters a DIY thing doesn't really pan out perfectly. I mean how many times have people posted up their own chapters claiming them to be one of the lost legions? And how many of those times have people methodically shut them down? It's a fancifully (naive) idea, but it doesn't work well.

Now back on topic, I do believe this question has been asked before, although I can't really find it. And I do recall that in that said thread, someone also stated that this question had been asked. So you're repeating a repeated repeater.

What i can recall to the best of my ability was that most had agreed that the Blood Ravens were descendants of the Thousand sons, psker tendencies, and the whole "A Thousand Sons" novel prophecy. There was a hint in DoW2 with one of the random items "Hand of Rage", apparantly a nod to the Blood Angels and their defect.

Personally I think they're tson's descendents under the cover of being Blood Angels successors. Although they do not exhibit the rage, the fact that "Blood" is in their name and above item is in their armoury, I think it would be enough for an inquisitor to overlook. Until all that corruption news gets out. Then they're screwed

Kid_Kyoto wrote:It is strongly hinted that Sanguinius and Corax had an illecit affair for several years resulting in Corax's pregnancy. When they could no longer conceal the truth from the Emperor he forced Corax to give up the child for adoption.

That child became the first Blood Raven but never knew who his parents were.

WAIT.....
Corax is a man, Sanguinius is his BROTHER?
How the hell do they have kid?
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!!!

Brother Coa wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:It is strongly hinted that Sanguinius and Corax had an illecit affair for several years resulting in Corax's pregnancy. When they could no longer conceal the truth from the Emperor he forced Corax to give up the child for adoption.

That child became the first Blood Raven but never knew who his parents were.

WAIT.....
Corax is a man, Sanguinius is his BROTHER?
How the hell do they have kid?
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!!!

See this bothers me when people post in this forum but don't really know the fluff.

Corax and Sanguinius were not 'men' they were genetically engineered primarchs with additional hearts and lungs, wings and psychic powers. Now surely the Emperor as he was genetically engineering them would also include the ability to reproduce? After all he planned for an Empire to last millennia and in the long run I'd rather have genetic superman who can reporduce than genectic superman who can spit poison (though, all things being equal, I'd like to have both).

The only reason Corax's pregnancy was problematic is he was promised to Fulgrim and the Emperor's strict pro-life policy did not allow him to terminate the child.

I never wondered about this before I just assumed they were a new chapter made from blood angels.

If they really are decended from magnus wouldn't they suffer from the flesh change?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

See this bothers me when people post in this forum but don't really know the fluff.

Corax and Sanguinius were not 'men' they were genetically engineered primarchs with additional hearts and lungs, wings and psychic powers. Now surely the Emperor as he was genetically engineering them would also include the ability to reproduce? After all he planned for an Empire to last millennia and in the long run I'd rather have genetic superman who can reporduce than genectic superman who can spit poison (though, all things being equal, I'd like to have both).

The only reason Corax's pregnancy was problematic is he was promised to Fulgrim and the Emperor's strict pro-life policy did not allow him to terminate the child.

So Corax and Sanguinius are bisexuals? And The Emperor has given approval for incest? And they have a child, but they have to give him away?
I do not know, this story is a little to strange to be true...
Where did you read it?

Brother Coa, he is joking/being sarcastic, please do not take him seriously...

Yeah everyone knows that he was promised to Dorn not Fulgrim.

obsidianaura wrote:I never wondered about this before I just assumed they were a new chapter made from blood angels.

If they really are decended from magnus wouldn't they suffer from the flesh change?

He has a point. How exactly did the flesh change work? At the risk of sounding stupid, why exactly would it have not affected the marines who would go on to become the Blood Ravens?

Guildsman wrote:

obsidianaura wrote:I never wondered about this before I just assumed they were a new chapter made from blood angels.

If they really are decended from magnus wouldn't they suffer from the flesh change?

He has a point. How exactly did the flesh change work? At the risk of sounding stupid, why exactly would it have not affected the marines who would go on to become the Blood Ravens?

In all honesty I did not know that there was a flesh change :S

Wardragoon wrote:

Guildsman wrote:

obsidianaura wrote:I never wondered about this before I just assumed they were a new chapter made from blood angels.

If they really are decended from magnus wouldn't they suffer from the flesh change?

He has a point. How exactly did the flesh change work? At the risk of sounding stupid, why exactly would it have not affected the marines who would go on to become the Blood Ravens?

In all honesty I did not know that there was a flesh change :S

The thousand sons gene-seed was unstable but Magnus managed to stabilise it... not sure what he did though...

Well, First off. it was Sanguinious who became pregnant. Corax is clearly male



the Flesh change was simply massive mutation from their new master Tzeench(who o so loves mutations)


the higher level 1k sons didn't like this so they cast the Rubric to counter act it. it worked, kinda.




the Blood Ravens are likely descended from 1k sons who weren't present at the burning of Prospero. since they didn't escape into the warp and give their souls to Tzeench they weren't effected by the Flesh Change.

these survivors, caught between Chaos and the Imperium, decide to lay low and continue to serve the IoM in secret.

then the Codex is written and the Chapters are created.

these survivors then come out into the open after a couple of foundings, declare themselves a chapter that has forgotten it's founding and they are fine.

Grey Templar wrote:the Blood Ravens are likely descended from 1k sons who weren't present at the burning of Prospero. since they didn't escape into the warp and give their souls to Tzeench they weren't effected by the Flesh Change.

these survivors, caught between Chaos and the Imperium, decide to lay low and continue to serve the IoM in secret.

then the Codex is written and the Chapters are created.

these survivors then come out into the open after a couple of foundings, declare themselves a chapter that has forgotten it's founding and they are fine.

I would assume that someone in the geneseed department would have eventually said, "Wait a minute, we don't have a record of these guys. What have we been doing with their geneseed tithes...?"

I suspect that the Blood Ravens had allies within the Imperium's beauracracy that were willing to help keep quiet about the whole thing (whether the "thing" was a group of 1Ksons that didn't follow Magnus or a secret founding using 1Ksons geneseed) - though at what cost I don't know. Once a few centuries had passed, all evidence of a cover-up would have been long since gone and the Blood Ravens would have been accepted merely due to the fact that they'd been a known chapter for a long period of time.

Supposedly they are unusually well connected to certain Imperial agencies, including a pact that allows them to recruit directly from the Scholastia Psykana (where psykers are evaluated and trained after being transported on the Black Ships).

The Blood Ravens' Great Father Azharia Vidya supposedly wrote that ignorance of their origins may be protecting them from the consequences of their past. He also iwas reported to have pulled off some strategic feats that were either the result of supreme intelligence gathering, or Magnus-like feats of divination...

Also they keep trying to make nice with the heroes of the Space Wolves.

purplefood wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:

Guildsman wrote:

obsidianaura wrote:I never wondered about this before I just assumed they were a new chapter made from blood angels.

If they really are decended from magnus wouldn't they suffer from the flesh change?

He has a point. How exactly did the flesh change work? At the risk of sounding stupid, why exactly would it have not affected the marines who would go on to become the Blood Ravens?

In all honesty I did not know that there was a flesh change :S

The thousand sons gene-seed was unstable but Magnus managed to stabilise it... not sure what he did though...

The geneseed of the Thousand sons was indeed unstable. They suffered massive spontanious mutation. This was happening even before the thousand sons were united with their primach.

To save them Magnus made a bargin with a great warp entity (strongly hinted as Tzeench) to prevent his legions flesh change. I can't remember what exactly the bargin was supposed to entail but it ended up tricking Magnus out of his soul

Brother Coa wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:It is strongly hinted that Sanguinius and Corax had an illecit affair for several years resulting in Corax's pregnancy. When they could no longer conceal the truth from the Emperor he forced Corax to give up the child for adoption.

That child became the first Blood Raven but never knew who his parents were.

WAIT.....
Corax is a man, Sanguinius is his BROTHER?
How the hell do they have kid?
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!!!

lol