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Hey folks, C&C urgently needed (game day after tommorrow!)

HQ

Reclusiarch (Melta bombs)

Troops

8 Assault marines (melta gun, power weapon)
8 Assualt marines (melta gun, power weapon)
8 Death company (Bolters, power weapon, power fist)
Death company dread (talons, melta, flamer)

Elites

2 Priests (JP's)

Heavy

Stormraven (TL MM, TL LC, EA)
Vindicator
Autolas Pred

Right now bear with me, I have literally done this with no codex and no calculator, so take the points with a pinch of salt! Far as I'm aware though, it comes to 1498.

Thinking about swapping a priest and one squad of assulat marines for rhino mounted tac squad, while also bumping other assualt squad to 10 men with another melta. This would give me a much better chance in obj. based games because I'll be able to combat squad! Thoughts?

Hey :]
Not a bad list really pal but if you can I'd try to make the assault squads 10 men each with 2 meltas rather than one.
Might be hard pushed to find the points though, you'd have to strip down your dc :X

Works either way - I'd use that list happily.

Thanks man! Okay is this looking better?

Reclusiarch (Melta bombs)

Troops

10 Assault marines (melta guns, power weapon)
Tactical squad (ML, MG, rhino)
8 Death company (Bolters, power weapon, power fist)
Death company dread (talons, melta, flamer)

Elites

Priests (JP)

Heavy

Stormraven (TL MM, TL LC, EA)
Vindicator
Autolas Pred

Heyy DawnRaid7,

okay so to me your list lacks some synergy what I'd reccomend is to decided to play Lazerback spam or DoA.


For a Hq, it is generally better to go for a Librarian or be totally cheesy and go for Mephiston. I find that Chaplains are somewhat lacklustre.

For troops, unless playing Astorath Red Thirst, Death company are just too expensive for what they do. Either go with 5 assualt marines with no packs in Lazerbacks with meltas, flamers or plasmas or a squad of 10 with sergeant and a power weapon if you're playing DoA.

Your elites are fine in my book.

Your heavy support needs a little work. Drop the stormraven because, like the death comapany, is too expensive. Drop the pred and try to go for 3 vindicators. If you don't have the points for 3, go for 2.

hope I helped,

Zeph.

Thanks for the advice Zealot! Thing is I love collecting a variety of models, and taking 3 vindicators or spamming razor's doesn't hold much interest for me.

I think the stormraven can work, if I'm going first, scout 24" before the battle, then move 6", unloading loads of AT fire at two targets, unload the death company and have them trash whatever comes out! If going second, reserves would also work!

I am against special characters, my gaming group hasn't banned them, just if you win a game mainly due to the fact you fielded one, the others look down on you!

Librarians are cool, and seem to lend quite a lot to an army. I just can't resist total re-rolling, black amroured, feel no paining nut-jobs!

Not meaning to reject your advice at all, and I'm 100% sure whatever list you build would be considered more competitive by most players!

Yeah.... its just me but if you want to collect a variety that is fine, but taking the choices like you did is not effective. Also stormravens cannot scout, in addition tactical squads are pretty bad, there is not much point for them, instead take another assault squad. Also death company is something I hate, expensive and they have rage. So yeah what happens if you play idk guard and they pop you rstorm raven. Then a leman russ tanks kills all of the guys turn two. I know this is by chance and is a scenario but you never know. Also Stormravens suck they are 200pts that try and do way to many things at once. A long fang squad can pop it easy without a struggle. Also the death company may never get there because of rage and if they are smart they will feed them small squads and fire at them. Also librarian's are amazing because they can do so many things, they have a hood and with all this crazy pyskic things that are here and I have seen some of those rumors for grey knights it seems the hood is almost mandatory which is sad but thats how the metagame looks, also the death company dread is the same as the other DC. Yeah if you haven't noticed I despise the stormraven and death company. I have no problem against not running special characters a lot of armies can win without them *cough leaf blower guard.....but thats another story

Whoa okay
Let me digest some of that!

Why can stormravens not scout?

The general tactic was to see where the DC's rage takes them. With POTMS on the raven, I could engage 4 targets before taking any fire! Meanwhile, a vindicator and FC'ing assault squad are sneaking up. But I see you're point, it's a big risk.

I mainly decided on the tacs to combat squad and have the ML sit my home objective, while the melta gun runs in the rhino contesting stuff. But obviously assualt squads have a lot more offensive capability. (can see why they named each unit type as they have )

Also as a side question what is leaf blower guard? I always hear it and never know what it means...

They cannot scout because, well they do not have the scout USR, well rage will not take you very far lol and a smart opponent will use rage to make them useless. also tacticals are still bad so really just get another assault squad also if you just place a 5 man squad there, it is fine also blood angels can be very shooty I.E. razorspam anyway drop the tacts they are pretty bad even for 1 ML just take another assault squad. Leaf blower guard is a wall of chimeras (AND I MEAN A TON) with veterans with 3melta or 3plasma and vendettas along with a ton of hydra sitting behind the chimeras gaining a 3+ cover it is nasty

Ah is it outflank it has?

it can't outflank.

I don't know if this is too late for you, but my 2 cents...

I like DC - strip any jump packs and the PW. Keep the fist.

Rage sucks, but you can deal with it. Putting a DC into a Storm Raven or LR is the only way to get them at least one shot at a chosen assault. They are still pretty cheap. And I like the Reclusiarch, but he doesn't have a hood.

Standard Assault marines (4x/1Sgt w/PF) = 125 pts
On the charge 12 S4 attacks at I4, 3 S10 attacks at I1
Against MEQs: 4s to hit, 4s to wound w/ CC's - 4s to hit, 2s to wound w/PF

DC (5x - 1 w/PF - no JPs) = 125pts
On the charge (FC) 16 S5 attacks at I5, 3 S10 attacks at I1
Against MEQs: 3s to hit, 3s to wound w/ CC's - 3s to hit, 2s to wound w/PF

For 125 w/FC and FNP it seems like a bargain to me.

If I take out a unit sames size its a wash, if I take out two units or a nice expensive unit, I've made a profit. Also, your opp has to maneuver anything he doesn't want to get hit by the DC which affects his movement.

Attach a Reclusiarch to the DC and your re-rolling hits and wounds on the turn you assault.

The down side, they can't take objectives and you only get 1 (2 if you take Astorath). You also don't get the nice discounted transports like BA Assault Marines when they lose the JP.

This list has some serious problems in that everything is in single units which becomes easy to target prioritise on what to kill.

Sort out what you want and don't want and take units in pairs or else they won't last long at all.

DawnRaid7 wrote:

HQ

Reclusiarch (Melta bombs)

Troops

8 Assault marines (melta gun, power weapon)
8 Assualt marines (melta gun, power weapon)
8 Death company (Bolters, power weapon, power fist)
Death company dread (talons, melta, flamer)

Elites

2 Priests (JP's)

Heavy

Stormraven (TL MM, TL LC, EA)
Vindicator
Autolas Pred

I would drop the JP's and PW from the DC, probably give them BP's instead of Bolters. Don't need a PW when you have the Reclusiarch stepping in there. Mount them in the SR is fine, might as well use it if you have it right?

See if you can scrape the points to bump all your assault squads to 10 men, switch out the Vindi for another Predator maybe see what that gives you for points to play with.

Death Company are better with bolters because they have relentless and two attacks base anyway....

Death Company are better with bolters because they have relentless and two attacks base anyway....

Yes, but if they go bolter, they lose +1 for having two CC weapons.

I think its a trade-off and depends on what you want to do with the DC.

They have 3 attacks on the charge anyway...and can issue rapid fire death because they're relentless so don't need the extra attack.

They have 3 attacks on the charge anyway...and can issue rapid fire death because they're relentless so don't need the extra attack.

Unless you want to assault something and shooting the crap out of it takes you out of 6" range.

It's a possibility but rapid firing and charging is a lot better, can still be out of charge range with bolt pistols anyway.