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Yea way too wide and squat/burly to be Tau. That's our Demirg boys. Now that means the Tau are riding their bikes or technology incorporating it.

Also this could mean the Tau-Demiurge alliance strengthens. We have no idea how powerful and influential they are. Who knows if there is good reception to them they might in time add them in as a mini dex. We can only hope.

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I didn't even see the one between its legs. Clever girl. Now that I seen that one it's undeniably a Demiurge.

Let's see. You now have Breachers that can go in there, an extra 6" of movement a turn to capture objectives, and they don't have a one in six chance of (most likely) not moving anymore if they have to go over a forest.

Tactical Marines are one of the worst troop choices in the game, currently. Fire Warriors outshoot them, and while Special and Heavy Weapons are nice, they are either overpriced (Plasma) or a heavy weapon, which is typically on the meh side.

Tactical Marines don't get an extra CCW weapon, I'm assuming you confused BS and WS.

And don't forget the fact that Fire Warriors have Ethereals and Fireblades to help synergize with and make them shoot things better. The extra range is nice, too. You know, to dismount those tactical marines before they get close enough to shoot with their bolters.

Devilfish could do to be dropped to 70, but lower than that and that's just being silly, considering how much better defence and offence they have over Rhinos.

vitae_drinker wrote:
It's a legitimate comparison. We're talking points vs points, and SM are the baseline. And honestly, yes 100-110 points is about where a Hammerhead should go. Look at a predator with a TL lascannon. It also gets searchlight, and smoke launchers included for 100 points. So the Hammerhead should be slightly more, but not much, than that with the included changes.

Lawl. A hammerhead is a skimmer, has better side armour, a better gun (yes, one more strength and AP1 beats twin linked). And you still have gun drones, which are better than nothing.

What does being a skimmer do for it? More than smoke launchers, as it can be used every turn if needed, and is a 4+ save on top of it. you can still fire even if it is at BS1 (which can be buffed by markerlights), allows you to move 12" and still fire the main gun at full effect.

A searchlight does nothing for the Predator while it is shooting, but it does help other units, which is fair. However, a lot of the units that would be gunning for a Predator either come with a BSF or can buy it for pennies. And that's only if Night fighting is in effect that it matters.

110 or 115 points as it stands now would be reasonable. 125 with submunitions included, as it gives it more flexibility. But 100 with ordnance, twin linked and wubmunitions for 100? Give me a break.

 Gamgee wrote:
Every time I've heard someone talk about the Stormsurge like 5+ people now all I hear is this as a rough approximation.

Oh it got bad rolls and died on turn two. Oh it didn't reach its full potential and died on turn 2. Oh I killed it easy with grab drops. It's very underwhelming. Or it died too fast to use its full potential power. Or I got bad rolls so I don't know how good it will actually be.

Most of them insist its very balanced because it didn't do much and died to their armies. Naturally.

All I hear is suck suck suck. :( Why did you do this to us GW. Why? All we wanted was a half decent lord of war option. I didn't need anything OP, but did I need a death sentence?

Nope.

i am currently at imperial knight Warden stock 5 victories Stormsurge with Pulse Blast Cannon and sheild Gen 7 victories

They guy on the missile could definitely be earth caste, they are short and stocky compared to fire caste. The guy underneath is probebly not though.

Someone on ATT says they look like Earth Cast bikes, but why not be hover tech like everything else Tau?

They seem way too alien to be anything used by any Tau caste.

And the earth caste don't have any business to be near a battle, they aren't the AdMech. The closest they get is support team which repair and resupply after battles.

Front panel of the first bike, with the rider, is the same as the right knee panel of the Ghostkeel, just lacking the stealth field emitters that you need to add during assembly.

Pretty sure the thing on the ground is a hover bike, and the guy sitting on the surge is an earthcaste engineer, he fits the bill for the earthcaste

edit didnt see the guy next to the leg on the left, he and hte guy on this missile pod are defeintely earth caste no doubt about it

Look at the squat guy between the legs of the stormsurge. No way is he a Tau. He blends in really really well with the base so stick your nose real close to look.

The guy on the missle pod you can make out his nose slit and the guy on the ground repair the leg clearly has holves


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 Gamgee wrote:
Look at the squat guy between the legs of the stormsurge. No way is he a Tau. He blends in really really well with the base so stick your nose real close to look.

He fits how the earthcaste are described


looks close to that they even have to circular domes on the side of the face

Dont get me wrong id love them to be a new xenos, i just dont think so. The earthcaste are supposed to be the opposite of the air caste in appearance, and that is pretty opposite while still having the tau slit, strong cheek bones and 3 pronged holves

Hmm... your probably right. Aawww. No Demiurge. :(

Also the other poster looks right about the ghostkeel leg conversion.

What a mean mean tease FW.

 Tinkrr wrote:

 Girrrrrrrrrrr wrote:
Crisis suits that have rail rifles? i think those are called broadsides XD

Nah, you're thinking of Heavy Rail Rifles. The regular Rail Rifles are something pathfinders can take and are identical to Plasma Rifles, except they have +6 inches of range, and Ap 1 instead of AP 2... They're the same points on the Pathfinders as a Plasma Rifle for a Crisis Suit, so just up the points a little and it should be fine.

Edit: Heck make them an upgrade to Plasma Rifles, so that you can only have one per suit. Then you'll have more triple shots, at +3 inches of range, where two are stronger, while one is still a Plasma shot. You could still get quad shots with two being beefed up versions for +5 points or whatever.

From a design point of view, RRs have the same function as plasma and are thus redundant.

Which, admittedly, makes them a bit odd on pathfinders as well. When they had Pinning they had a unique niche but that is gone. They're kind of pointless now.

The ghostkeel leg conversion???

BrookM's post up a little.

Ah yup you are right, Question, What is the little support system that looks like a Speaker?

I don't readily recognize the other parts, but this could either be a very nice kitbash or something Forge World is legitimately working on, using the parts from other kits as they go.

GW and FW aare not known for letting conversions be in their shows. It's usually for their stuff.

Well we know from the good rumors months ago they wanted to do some Earth Caste so this is definitely them. The big question is. What are these vehicles? I hope we get a more refined version of these at some point with some guns slapped on.

These look pretty cool so far if they're a WIP.

They really look like earth caste Tau which I am very happy for!

Those bikes are weird, I don't like them too much but perhaps that's another WIP FW project for the Tau.

Kahnawake

If they are a WIP and are supposed to be Tau I don't like them. If they were supposed to be inspired by another species tech or something cool.

I think they are noncombat bikes, the side domes are also from the ghostkeel i belive


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With the stormsurge tho on her left side, above the missle pod, what is that speaker like support system? i think it comes with broadsides and the old comander

 Girrrrrrrrrrr wrote:
I think they are noncombat bikes, the side domes are also from the ghostkeel i belive


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With the stormsurge tho on her left side, above the missle pod, what is that speaker like support system? i think it comes with broadsides and the old comander

You mean this? I've seen it on the Riptide too I think.

It's an optional part on the Ghostkeel, going on the back of the main thruster unit.

Yea i wana know what it is so i can glean what upgrades they will not be restricted from (like how the Riptide cant take a sheild) I know the stormsurge can take a sheild but not much else

I don't think we were ever told what support system bit was for what in the last codex, so it could be anything.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I don't think we were ever told what support system bit was for what in the last codex, so it could be anything.

I'm 99% sure that the codex has illustrated weapons and support system options.

These are the only bits I can identify. I hope higher resolution pictures emerge.

It has illustrated weapons, but there's nothing to indicate which support system is which in the latest codex.

Aww I was excited for Demiurg but you can see the tau face slit on the one on the missile pod


the back fin is from the pathfinder reckon drone also

Yeah, it's Earth Caste engineers doing maintenance on a Stormsurge before/after a battle. I'm guessing it's all converted and kitbashed.

Very well done, I must say. Those "bikes" could be used as Tetras I would think, especially if they are all plastic conversions.

They've done away with Tau support systems being represented by any particular bit. I think they want people to use whatever bits they think look best to them. There's only a visual weapons guide now

Theres nothing in the codex indicated what the support system is, there are pictures of them but no words to id them


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Noctem wrote:
They've done away with Tau support systems being represented by any particular bit. I think they want people to use whatever bits they think look best to them. There's only a visual weapons guide now

What about sheild gens, also I've seen them label drone controlers, multitrackers and targeting arrays